Who would have eventually defeated Marciano?

raylawpc · Post by **raylawpc** » 22 Sep 2010, 11:03

McCannW14 wrote:
Remember.... He retired after the Moore fight for a reason...............

Yeah, the reason was he hated Al Weill with a passion and didn't want to fight for him anymore. He was also experiencing some minor back problems, but he always said he had a few fights left in him at the time he retired.

raylawpc · Post by **raylawpc** » 22 Sep 2010, 11:05

Crease wrote:
McCannW14 wrote:Remember....He retired after the Moore fight for a reason
And yet Rocky Marciano had an agreement to come out of retirment to fight Johansson.
(bet you didn't know that)

The fight didn't happen ebcause Patterson beat Ingemar.

He didn't have an agreement with anyone. He tested himself in the gym to find out if he could comeback because he thought he could beat Johansson, and the fight would draw millions. When he found out he didn't have it anymore, he dropped the idea. But he didn't have an agreement with anyone to fight Johansson.

SolomonDeedes · Post by **SolomonDeedes** » 23 Sep 2010, 10:23

Out of interest, does anyone know if Patterson was being seriously lined up for a shot at Marciano in '56? I would have thought d'Amato was too cautious to throw his 21-year old rising star in with such a bonebreaker.

raylawpc · Post by **raylawpc** » 23 Sep 2010, 11:03

SolomonDeedes wrote:Out of interest, does anyone know if Patterson was being seriously lined up for a shot at Marciano in '56? I would have thought d'Amato was too cautious to throw his 21-year old rising star in with such a bonebreaker.

No, I don't think he was. In the Ring Magazine's 1955 annual ratings (released February 1956), Patterson was still listed as a light-heavyweight. When you read newspaper accounts of the day, Patterson is rarely mentioned in the same breath as Marciano. He rose rapidly after Marciano retired.

BoxBuzz · Post by **BoxBuzz** » 23 Sep 2010, 11:51

however...Marciano showed an interest in facing Ingemar.....but no such interest at that time in Floyd.....as I recall.

Controversial · Post by **Controversial** » 23 Sep 2010, 15:07

Crease wrote:Just to take you through my thoughts on the original posts.

1960 & 61: I think Rocky would have lost some of his power, and thus I give him the points decisions against various challengers. Cleveland Williams would have been a good fight.

And Liston would have been the man to beat him.

Sorry I can't see how you think Marciano at 38 would last 15 rounds against Liston. Listons huge weight, reach and power advantages would've been way too much, I see that fight lasting 3 rounds at the most, with Marciano getting badly hurt in the process. Marciano only knew one way to fight and that was to stand toe to toe, Liston wouldn't have to go looking for him.

Brutu · Post by **Brutu** » 23 Sep 2010, 15:49

Rocky Marciano was once asked how he would fight Liston,when he was covering one of his fights when Liston was champion.
He said Liston could not fight on the inside,and he would whack him around the body for a few rounds until he tired,then go for his head.

wouter · Post by **wouter** » 24 Sep 2010, 02:44

raylawpc wrote:
Crease wrote:
McCannW14 wrote:Remember....He retired after the Moore fight for a reason
And yet Rocky Marciano had an agreement to come out of retirment to fight Johansson.
(bet you didn't know that)

The fight didn't happen ebcause Patterson beat Ingemar.
He didn't have an agreement with anyone. He tested himself in the gym to find out if he could comeback because he thought he could beat Johansson, and the fight would draw millions. When he found out he didn't have it anymore, he dropped the idea. But he didn't have an agreement with anyone to fight Johansson.

I thought it was a back problem that caused him to abandon the comeback idea.

lucaselrey · Post by **lucaselrey** » 24 Sep 2010, 03:08

Marciano was as tough as they come but if he had fought Liston i would have to say Liston would win via KO. If the two had fought that means Liston would have been in his prime. Marciano fought a lot of great fighters but while they were in the twilight of their careers. he was dropped by Moore, walcott and Charles. so i figure if he had fought Liston, who was a much harder puncher than either of the ones i just mentioned, liston would have stopped Marciano by i say the 6th round.

raylawpc · Post by **raylawpc** » 24 Sep 2010, 10:14

lucaselrey wrote:Marciano was as tough as they come but if he had fought Liston i would have to say Liston would win via KO. If the two had fought that means Liston would have been in his prime. Marciano fought a lot of great fighters but while they were in the twilight of their careers. he was dropped by Moore, walcott and Charles. so i figure if he had fought Liston, who was a much harder puncher than either of the ones i just mentioned, liston would have stopped Marciano by i say the 6th round.

Charles didn't drop Marciano.

raylawpc · Post by **raylawpc** » 24 Sep 2010, 10:23

wouter wrote:
raylawpc wrote:
Crease wrote: And yet Rocky Marciano had an agreement to come out of retirment to fight Johansson.
(bet you didn't know that)

The fight didn't happen ebcause Patterson beat Ingemar.
He didn't have an agreement with anyone. He tested himself in the gym to find out if he could comeback because he thought he could beat Johansson, and the fight would draw millions. When he found out he didn't have it anymore, he dropped the idea. But he didn't have an agreement with anyone to fight Johansson.
I thought it was a back problem that caused him to abandon the comeback idea.

Maybe. I know he went back to the gym and started training but ultimately gave it up because he realized he didn't have it anymore. It's certainly possible that he dropped the idea in part because of his back. He was having some back trouble when he retired.

benitezfan · Post by **benitezfan** » 24 Sep 2010, 11:10

liston rips him apart,first round :)

lucaselrey · Post by **lucaselrey** » 24 Sep 2010, 12:17

raylawpc wrote:
lucaselrey wrote:Marciano was as tough as they come but if he had fought Liston i would have to say Liston would win via KO. If the two had fought that means Liston would have been in his prime. Marciano fought a lot of great fighters but while they were in the twilight of their careers. he was dropped by Moore, walcott and Charles. so i figure if he had fought Liston, who was a much harder puncher than either of the ones i just mentioned, liston would have stopped Marciano by i say the 6th round.
Charles didn't drop Marciano.

K thanks i wasn't to sure if it was true when i typed it.

Crease · Post by **Crease** » 24 Sep 2010, 12:24

lucaselrey wrote:K thanks i wasn't to sure if it was true when i typed it.

Did you not think of actually watching the fight before talking about it?

Goodnight, Irene · Post by **Goodnight, Irene** » 24 Sep 2010, 12:26

Crease wrote:
lucaselrey wrote:K thanks i wasn't to sure if it was true when i typed it.
Did you not think of actually watching the fight before talking about it?

I just found out from him Earnie Shavers was never knocked out. Awesome.

lucaselrey · Post by **lucaselrey** » 24 Sep 2010, 12:29

look cock mouth i made a mistake. calm down, is this a debate class where im being graded on how i state my case?

lucaselrey · Post by **lucaselrey** » 24 Sep 2010, 12:31

Wow this place is great. u ppl get mad so easily over absolutely nothing! i have to be on here more because i live for pissing ppl off.

tsmithy50 · Post by **tsmithy50** » 24 Sep 2010, 12:35

Why did Marciano stop at 49-0? Why not 50?

keithmoonhangover · Post by **keithmoonhangover** » 24 Sep 2010, 14:27

lucaselrey wrote:i have to be on here more because i live for pissing ppl off.

I live for love, adventure and happiness.

Living just to piss people off sounds a little bit too negative for me. Maybe you should try gettiing out more.

lucaselrey · Post by **lucaselrey** » 24 Sep 2010, 15:13

what sounds negative is people judging me, live your life and enjoy it and allow me to do the same THE WAY I SEE FIT.

keithmoonhangover · Post by **keithmoonhangover** » 24 Sep 2010, 15:21

lucaselrey wrote:what sounds negative is people judging me, live your life and enjoy it and allow me to do the same THE WAY I SEE FIT.

How am I judging you?

lucaselrey · Post by **lucaselrey** » 24 Sep 2010, 15:29

saying that what im saying sounds negative

keithmoonhangover · Post by **keithmoonhangover** » 24 Sep 2010, 15:32

Mate, do you wanna watch your language, kids use this forum. Maybe you're one of them.

lucaselrey · Post by **lucaselrey** » 24 Sep 2010, 15:34

no i wont watch my language. shut up and get up off my nutts or ill be saying a lot more worse things.

keithmoonhangover · Post by **keithmoonhangover** » 24 Sep 2010, 15:35

lucaselrey wrote:no i wont watch my language. shut up and get up off my nutts or ill be saying a lot more worse things.

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