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jamesmcdonnell wrote:I think Pacman is going to give Margo a 12 round beating. Margo may end up quitting, but like Clottey he's a big bugger, and not sure Pacman's punches will be effective against such a big guy.

ALI wrote:

jamesmcdonnell wrote:I think Pacman is going to give Margo a 12 round beating. Margo may end up quitting, but like Clottey he's a big bugger, and not sure Pacman's punches will be effective against such a big guy.

Margarito will come to fight and will be giving Pacquiao plenty of openings, so Pacquiao will find him much easier to hit than Clottey. The more i think about this fight the more i'm leaning towards Pacquiao beating him into submission somehwere in the later half of the fight.

Deserter wrote:

lefty wrote:Yeah but how can you be so certain that Margarito wore hand wraps against Cotto?!It could of genuinely been a one-off against Mosley because he didnt fancy chances much in the fight and plus mosley has a very solid chin!Im not saying its right what he did but i dont think you can say he wore them in any other fight than the mosey fight if he had gottten away with it!Also people forget the punishment he absorbed in that fight against cotto,so for one you dont know that he did wear hand wraps in that fight and secondly you're forgetting the contribution he made himself in that fight of absorbing god knows how many head shots to coming back and winning the fight!Also saying that PED'Ss arent as bad as plaster in your handwraps is a naive statement!They're banned for a reason ie they improve stamina,strength and possibly even punching power!Also If you look at HGH that actually thickens your bones and theres been studies to show that it can thicken peoples jaws and thus give them the ability to absorb a shot better!

Lefty, anyone who knows the story of Billy Collins would not have such a laissez faire attitude towards Margarito. I agree he should have been banned for life, and I say that as someone who used to be a huge fan.
And out of interest, what on earth does the amount of punishment Margarito absorbed in that fight have to do with any of this?

jamesmcdonnell wrote:

ALI wrote:

jamesmcdonnell wrote:I think Pacman is going to give Margo a 12 round beating. Margo may end up quitting, but like Clottey he's a big bugger, and not sure Pacman's punches will be effective against such a big guy.

Margarito will come to fight and will be giving Pacquiao plenty of openings, so Pacquiao will find him much easier to hit than Clottey. The more i think about this fight the more i'm leaning towards Pacquiao beating him into submission somehwere in the later half of the fight.

Very good point, Clottey was negative for much of his fight with Pacman, so you could well be right, Margarito doesn't really try to cover up much. His chin largely IS his defence.

clopixolacuphase wrote:

jamesmcdonnell wrote:

lefty wrote: Thats silly!He's served his time so he deserves abit of slack.People dont keep going on about the fact that Mosley was on PED's do they!Also noone knows for definete that pacquaio isnt on anything!

Margarito absolutely ruined Cotto, almost certainly fighting with illegal hand wraps. Is anyone naive to believe that he only did it for the Mosley fight. He and his trainer should have been banned for life in my opinion.

Mosley didn't test positive for his fight with Margarito - and PED's isn't the same as having plaster in your hand wraps.

I hope Pacquaio destroys Margarito and finishes his career, he's a disgrace to boxing.

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clopixolacuphase wrote:

jamesmcdonnell wrote:

lefty wrote: Thats silly!He's served his time so he deserves abit of slack.People dont keep going on about the fact that Mosley was on PED's do they!Also noone knows for definete that pacquaio isnt on anything!

Margarito absolutely ruined Cotto, almost certainly fighting with illegal hand wraps. Is anyone naive to believe that he only did it for the Mosley fight. He and his trainer should have been banned for life in my opinion.

Mosley didn't test positive for his fight with Margarito - and PED's isn't the same as having plaster in your hand wraps.

I hope Pacquaio destroys Margarito and finishes his career, he's a disgrace to boxing.

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IRLangmaid25 wrote:While we are on the subject of Antonio Margarito and whether or not he struggles with Southpaws he did drop a 12 round decision against Paul Williams for the WBO Welterweight belt, but did once succeed in stopping Sergio Martinez though and was cut by Daniel Santos accidental headbutt and dropped the Technical Decision.

lefty wrote:

Deserter wrote:

lefty wrote:Yeah but how can you be so certain that Margarito wore hand wraps against Cotto?!It could of genuinely been a one-off against Mosley because he didnt fancy chances much in the fight and plus mosley has a very solid chin!Im not saying its right what he did but i dont think you can say he wore them in any other fight than the mosey fight if he had gottten away with it!Also people forget the punishment he absorbed in that fight against cotto,so for one you dont know that he did wear hand wraps in that fight and secondly you're forgetting the contribution he made himself in that fight of absorbing god knows how many head shots to coming back and winning the fight!Also saying that PED'Ss arent as bad as plaster in your handwraps is a naive statement!They're banned for a reason ie they improve stamina,strength and possibly even punching power!Also If you look at HGH that actually thickens your bones and theres been studies to show that it can thicken peoples jaws and thus give them the ability to absorb a shot better!

Lefty, anyone who knows the story of Billy Collins would not have such a laissez faire attitude towards Margarito. I agree he should have been banned for life, and I say that as someone who used to be a huge fan.
And out of interest, what on earth does the amount of punishment Margarito absorbed in that fight have to do with any of this?

The reason it is relevant is people are jumping to conclusions saying he wore hand wraps against Cotto when noone knows if he did and the reason its relevant is because people forget how much margarito had to walk through that night to win the fight!Its almost like its a foregone conclusion that Margarito wore hand wraps and that was what won him the fight when theres no proof!People forget Margaritos contribution to the fight,thats all im saying!

Captain Hook wrote:

clopixolacuphase wrote:

jamesmcdonnell wrote: Margarito absolutely ruined Cotto, almost certainly fighting with illegal hand wraps. Is anyone naive to believe that he only did it for the Mosley fight. He and his trainer should have been banned for life in my opinion.

Mosley didn't test positive for his fight with Margarito - and PED's isn't the same as having plaster in your hand wraps.

I hope Pacquaio destroys Margarito and finishes his career, he's a disgrace to boxing.

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Cheating is bad enough, but cheating when it could finish your opponent's career like that means he should have got a lifetime ban.

I hope he gets smashed to pieces. The job Mosley did on him is one of my favourite bits of boxing in recent times.

jamesmcdonnell wrote:

lefty wrote:

Jeff Thomas wrote:All I know is that if the cheating mexican bandito beats Pacman it will be another black eye for boxing.

Thats silly!He's served his time so he deserves abit of slack.People dont keep going on about the fact that Mosley was on PED's do they!Also noone knows for definete that pacquaio isnt on anything!

Margarito absolutely ruined Cotto, almost certainly fighting with illegal hand wraps. Is anyone naive to believe that he only did it for the Mosley fight. He and his trainer should have been banned for life in my opinion.

Mosley didn't test positive for his fight with Margarito - and PED's isn't the same as having plaster in your hand wraps.

I hope Pacquaio destroys Margarito and finishes his career, he's a disgrace to boxing.

stujones wrote: (unless it is consistent with medical receipts for over the counter treatments and geniune naivity).

MachoMan09 wrote:

Srebmun wrote:... there's no place for naivety when it comes to what you put in your body.

Is there something you want to tell us, mate.

Autobarn wrote:

jamesmcdonnell wrote:

lefty wrote: Thats silly!He's served his time so he deserves abit of slack.People dont keep going on about the fact that Mosley was on PED's do they!Also noone knows for definete that pacquaio isnt on anything!

Margarito absolutely ruined Cotto, almost certainly fighting with illegal hand wraps. Is anyone naive to believe that he only did it for the Mosley fight. He and his trainer should have been banned for life in my opinion.

Mosley didn't test positive for his fight with Margarito - and PED's isn't the same as having plaster in your hand wraps.

I hope Pacquaio destroys Margarito and finishes his career, he's a disgrace to boxing.

ok then, you could also say mosley almost certainly used PEDs in other fights than just the DLH rematch.

i'm not excited about pac v margarito. the last fight was terribly boring.

jamesmcdonnell wrote:

stujones wrote:All I know is that it is far far far easier to disguise the use of PED than it is to box wearing illegal hand wraps. Marg got CAUGHT before the land any punches vs Mosley - that's quite significant for me. There are checks in place for such things. I do honest believe it was only the SSM fight that Margarito attempted to cheat.

Although for even contimplating doing that Marg deserves a lifetime ban from the sport - so does anyone caught doing PED (unless it is consistent with medical receipts for over the counter treatments and geniune naivity).

Cheating has in the past, and could do again result in the opponent losing his life..... Margarito deserves jail time for what he did.... so for that matter does SSM.

The only reason that Margarito was caught is because Mosley's trainer went to examine the hand wraps, and examine them closely.

Why would he not have done so for Cotto, given that Cotto was considered his biggest test to date?

jamesmcdonnell wrote:

lefty wrote:

Deserter wrote: Lefty, anyone who knows the story of Billy Collins would not have such a laissez faire attitude towards Margarito. I agree he should have been banned for life, and I say that as someone who used to be a huge fan.
And out of interest, what on earth does the amount of punishment Margarito absorbed in that fight have to do with any of this?

The reason it is relevant is people are jumping to conclusions saying he wore hand wraps against Cotto when noone knows if he did and the reason its relevant is because people forget how much margarito had to walk through that night to win the fight!Its almost like its a foregone conclusion that Margarito wore hand wraps and that was what won him the fight when theres no proof!People forget Margaritos contribution to the fight,thats all im saying!

No but at his age, he knows that a loss here is the end of the road, if he's being battered senseless, he may decide to callm it aday or his corner might.

ALI wrote:

MightyWarrior wrote:Pac Man apparently staggers old Khan quite a lot in sparring, according to Doug Fischer.

From what i understand they only sparred on a few occassions just before Khan fought Prescott and have not sparred since then. Khan apparently did quite well during those sessions from what i can recal. He's come on a lot since then so i'm curious to see if he can give the PacMan a run for his money.

I would'nt give him much hope in a real fight with the PacMan, i think he's to chinny and would be KO'd, but in sparring where the idea is not to KO your oponent but to work on skills and conditioning, using heavier gloves and headgear, Khan could do well against the PacMan. Hopefully we'll get some solid reports comming out soon.

ALI wrote:

jamesmcdonnell wrote:

lefty wrote: The reason it is relevant is people are jumping to conclusions saying he wore hand wraps against Cotto when noone knows if he did and the reason its relevant is because people forget how much margarito had to walk through that night to win the fight!Its almost like its a foregone conclusion that Margarito wore hand wraps and that was what won him the fight when theres no proof!People forget Margaritos contribution to the fight,thats all im saying!

No but at his age, he knows that a loss here is the end of the road, if he's being battered senseless, he may decide to callm it aday or his corner might.

There's only three outcomes i can see in this fight: 1) Margarito catches Pacquiao and takes him out, i'd give that a a 10% chance. 2) Pacquiao beats Margarito sensless and he either quits, his corner pulls him out, or the ref waves it off (i dont envision a clear cut KO). 3) Margarito withstands a 12 round beating and loses a lopsided UD.

I'm split on the last two, but the more i think about this fight, the more i lean towards Pacquiao stopping Margarito. There's no denying Margarito is one tough son of a b*tch and no quitter, but if Pacquiao is hitting him from every angle with constant crisp, clean shots, most of which he wont see comming, and he's not getting his own shots off, at some point something has to give. I'm thinking Pacquiao by stoppage between the 8th and 10th, thats my current prediction for the fight.

Jeff Thomas wrote:All I know is that if the cheating mexican bandito beats Pacman it will be another black eye for boxing.

reggaereggae wrote:

Jeff Thomas wrote:All I know is that if the cheating mexican bandito beats Pacman it will be another black eye for boxing.

What, and you really don't believe that Pac-man is a cheating bast@rd? His excessive PED usage is the least well kept secret in boxing

ALI wrote:

MightyWarrior wrote:Pac Man apparently staggers old Khan quite a lot in sparring, according to Doug Fischer.

From what i understand they only sparred on a few occassions just before Khan fought Prescott and have not sparred since then. Khan apparently did quite well during those sessions from what i can recal. He's come on a lot since then so i'm curious to see if he can give the PacMan a run for his money.

I would'nt give him much hope in a real fight with the PacMan, i think he's to chinny and would be KO'd, but in sparring where the idea is not to KO your oponent but to work on skills and conditioning, using heavier gloves and headgear, Khan could do well against the PacMan. Hopefully we'll get some solid reports comming out soon.

reggaereggae wrote:

Jeff Thomas wrote:All I know is that if the cheating mexican bandito beats Pacman it will be another black eye for boxing.

What, and you really don't believe that Pac-man is a cheating bast@rd? His excessive PED usage is the least well kept secret in boxing

jessi wrote:

ALI wrote:

MightyWarrior wrote:Pac Man apparently staggers old Khan quite a lot in sparring, according to Doug Fischer.

From what i understand they only sparred on a few occassions just before Khan fought Prescott and have not sparred since then. Khan apparently did quite well during those sessions from what i can recal. He's come on a lot since then so i'm curious to see if he can give the PacMan a run for his money.

I would'nt give him much hope in a real fight with the PacMan, i think he's to chinny and would be KO'd, but in sparring where the idea is not to KO your oponent but to work on skills and conditioning, using heavier gloves and headgear, Khan could do well against the PacMan. Hopefully we'll get some solid reports comming out soon.

they sparred for the first time after the prescott fight and not before it...

ALI wrote:

jessi wrote:

ALI wrote: From what i understand they only sparred on a few occassions just before Khan fought Prescott and have not sparred since then. Khan apparently did quite well during those sessions from what i can recal. He's come on a lot since then so i'm curious to see if he can give the PacMan a run for his money.

I would'nt give him much hope in a real fight with the PacMan, i think he's to chinny and would be KO'd, but in sparring where the idea is not to KO your oponent but to work on skills and conditioning, using heavier gloves and headgear, Khan could do well against the PacMan. Hopefully we'll get some solid reports comming out soon.

they sparred for the first time after the prescott fight and not before it...

Yeah, in hindsight that should have been obvious. I actually took that information from a very recent article over on BS. I like the site as it has a fast news reel, but it does put out a lot of inaccurate BS. It seems to be getting worse and worse lately.