Re: Biggest Moments/Instances that Changed Boxing History
Posted: 25 Nov 2010, 10:17
LOL.keithmoonhangover wrote:Tyson - Spinks. Spinks was never the same.
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Re: Biggest Moments/Instances that Changed Boxing History
Posted: 28 Nov 2010, 23:58
Not since Buzz got his only pal to ban granberry.BarryWashington wrote:Anyone mention Futch not letting Frazier go out for the 15th in Manilla? When Ali wanted his gloves cut?
Re: Biggest Moments/Instances that Changed Boxing History
Posted: 01 Dec 2010, 09:22
Emile Griffith vs. Kid Paret, the end of televisions first affair with boxing
Re: Biggest Moments/Instances that Changed Boxing History
Posted: 01 Dec 2010, 09:22
Damn. Good one.Broncano wrote:Emile Griffith vs. Kid Paret, the end of televisions first affair with boxing
Re: Biggest Moments/Instances that Changed Boxing History
Posted: 01 Dec 2010, 13:38
In the same vein since Jesus Chavez vs Leavander Johnson they've started using 10 oz. gloves from Lightweight on up, I believe before then they used 10 oz. gloves at Jr. Middle and up. I could be wrong, but I know it was something like that.Goodnight, Irene wrote:Damn. Good one.Broncano wrote:Emile Griffith vs. Kid Paret, the end of televisions first affair with boxing
Re: Biggest Moments/Instances that Changed Boxing History
Posted: 01 Dec 2010, 17:09
Two noteworthy dates:
1867 (I don't have the exact date): The Marquess of Queensberry rules are published.
June 27, 1890: George Dixon became the first black fighter to capture a world title, defeating Nunc Wallace for the vacant bantamweight title in London, England.
1867 (I don't have the exact date): The Marquess of Queensberry rules are published.
June 27, 1890: George Dixon became the first black fighter to capture a world title, defeating Nunc Wallace for the vacant bantamweight title in London, England.
Re: Biggest Moments/Instances that Changed Boxing History
Posted: 02 Feb 2011, 17:56
The birth of Walker Smith Jr.
Re: Biggest Moments/Instances that Changed Boxing History
Posted: 02 Feb 2011, 18:59
True to that. After "The Bite of the Century" boxing was never the same and I think never recovered. It has been 13 years since that fight and I don't see boxing as exciting any more since then.Ezzard wrote:Tyson’s ear bite turned many people off the sport
Re: Biggest Moments/Instances that Changed Boxing History
Posted: 02 Feb 2011, 20:28
Wow,this is almost like beating a dead horse.
It amazes me that many are still convinced that the(known) fight film from Clay vs Cooper,
is totally intact,without absoueltly any editing cuts(courtesy of the the BBC-TV,
and we know how careful the BBC tv was
about video archive preservation in the early 1970's,NOT!)
You can tell some funny business was going on in Ali's corner,
when Dundee and company do the"Ass Stretch"
tatic to block the TV camera and ref to see what they were up to.
(a tatic that Dundee admits to doing in his autobiography to get some extra time for his fighters in his autobiography,
but doesnt say it did that tactic in the Clay-Cooper fight.
It amazes me that many are still convinced that the(known) fight film from Clay vs Cooper,
is totally intact,without absoueltly any editing cuts(courtesy of the the BBC-TV,
and we know how careful the BBC tv was
about video archive preservation in the early 1970's,NOT!)
You can tell some funny business was going on in Ali's corner,
when Dundee and company do the"Ass Stretch"
tatic to block the TV camera and ref to see what they were up to.
(a tatic that Dundee admits to doing in his autobiography to get some extra time for his fighters in his autobiography,
but doesnt say it did that tactic in the Clay-Cooper fight.
Re: Biggest Moments/Instances that Changed Boxing History
Posted: 02 Feb 2011, 20:32
He got maybe an extra 8 seconds . . .Brutu wrote:Wow,this is almost like beating a dead horse.
It amazes me that many are still convinced that the(known) fight film from Clay vs Cooper,
is totally intact,without absoueltly any editing cuts(courtesy of the the BBC-TV,
and we know how careful the BBC tv was
about video archive preservation in the early 1970's,NOT!)
You can tell some funny business was going on in Ali's corner,
when Dundee and company do the"Ass Stretch"
tatic to block the TV camera and ref to see what they were up to.
(a tatic that Dundee admits to doing in his autobiography to get some extra time for his fighters in his autobiography,
but doesnt say it did that tactic in the Clay-Cooper fight.
Big deal.Re: Biggest Moments/Instances that Changed Boxing History
Posted: 02 Feb 2011, 20:41
Who sez it was only 8 extra seconds?
Who exactly is saying this and more importantly were they at ringside and impartial like
Teddy Brenner(the famous matchmaker at MSG).
Because he imphaticaly states in his book
ONLY THE RING WAS SQUARE,
pp 84-85.
Mr Brenner was seated ringside in the front row next to Liz and Dick(natch)
there at Wembley Stadium in 1963,
and he states that Ali had
,"had an extra rest of maybe four minutes".
Who exactly is saying this and more importantly were they at ringside and impartial like
Teddy Brenner(the famous matchmaker at MSG).
Because he imphaticaly states in his book
ONLY THE RING WAS SQUARE,
pp 84-85.
Mr Brenner was seated ringside in the front row next to Liz and Dick(natch)
there at Wembley Stadium in 1963,
and he states that Ali had
,"had an extra rest of maybe four minutes".
Re: Biggest Moments/Instances that Changed Boxing History
Posted: 02 Feb 2011, 20:53
ESPN had an expert analysize the video tape a number of years ago, and he concluded the extra time was 6 to 8 seconds. If you read contemporary news accounts of the fight, they say nary a word about a 3 or 4 minute delay. Don't you think they would have reported a three-minute delay in the fight if it really happened?
Re: Biggest Moments/Instances that Changed Boxing History
Posted: 02 Feb 2011, 23:36
raylawpc wrote:ESPN had an expert analysize the video tape a number of years ago, and he concluded the extra time was 6 to 8 seconds. If you read contemporary news accounts of the fight, they say nary a word about a 3 or 4 minute delay. Don't you think they would have reported a three-minute delay in the fight if it really happened?
Don't spoil his fantasy Tom.
Re: Biggest Moments/Instances that Changed Boxing History
Posted: 02 Feb 2011, 23:44
Do you mind me asking if you two guys are Brits?
Who perhaps dont even wanna give your own countryman ,
ol "Enry
even the benifit of the doubt?
Sheeesh,if so,its no wonder why the bloomin British Empire crumbled away last Century.
Who perhaps dont even wanna give your own countryman ,
ol "Enry
even the benifit of the doubt?
Sheeesh,if so,its no wonder why the bloomin British Empire crumbled away last Century.
Re: Biggest Moments/Instances that Changed Boxing History
Posted: 03 Feb 2011, 00:39
No, I'm from Missouri via Oklahoma.Brutu wrote:Do you mind me asking if you two guys are Brits?
Who perhaps dont even wanna give your own countryman ,
ol "Enry
even the benifit of the doubt?
Sheeesh,if so,its no wonder why the bloomin British Empire crumbled away last Century.
Re: Biggest Moments/Instances that Changed Boxing History
Posted: 03 Feb 2011, 07:48
How did it "change boxing history"?gilgamesh wrote:The Most Infamous Ref stoppage of probably the last 20 years was probably Meldrick Taylor vs Julio Cesar Chavez. Taylor had beaten Chavez on points decidely and could not lose so long as he was not stopped. He gets rocked at about the 25 second mark, after being hit a few more times, he gets dropped, making it to his feet at the count of 9. There are only precious few seconds left, so few seconds that once the referee cleans off his gloves and says fight, the bell will ring and the fight will be over, no more punches to be taken for Taylor. The ref though simply says " I see a beaten man in front of me, I'm stopping the fight, I don't care about the time". Meldrick Taylor beats Chavez for 35 minutes and 58 seconds, but loses to Chavez. I'd say that one fits a few categories.
I think a lot of people in this thread are confusing "historical fights" with "fights that changed history".
For the latter category, there aren't that many. Even Dempsey-Tunney doesn't quite fit because the rules change had come about before that fight, and it was Dempsey's failure to obey the new rule which cost him.
Ones already cited:
Eubank-Watson led to the introduction of four ropes and the mandatory requirement for an ambulance at the venue and oxygen inside it in the UK.
Mancini-Kim led to the cut from 15 rounds to 12.
Chavez-Johnson may have been the one that changed the gloves size regarding weight division (I can't remember personally but trust gilgamesh is right).
Re: Biggest Moments/Instances that Changed Boxing History
Posted: 03 Feb 2011, 08:24
Oliver
I think Tunney-Dempsey II does fall into this category... If Jack had won he'd have regained the title, something nobody did for many, many decades... It would have been a huge deal.
But then who knows if Tunney could have got up.
I think Tunney-Dempsey II does fall into this category... If Jack had won he'd have regained the title, something nobody did for many, many decades... It would have been a huge deal.
But then who knows if Tunney could have got up.
Re: Biggest Moments/Instances that Changed Boxing History
Posted: 04 Feb 2011, 17:09
you need to be biased against him to see himsweetsci wrote:How about Vitali's decision to quit against Chris Byrd? It's forever marked him...
"marked" by giving up a one-sided fight in his
favor due to injury.