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The 1bangkid wrote:

hurlock wrote:that dont look like suicide :!: who would painfully burn themself's :!:

sad story that.

People commit suicide by burning themselves alot more than you would think. This one happened not far from my house also thats how the arab spring started a guy set fire to himself. http://www.birminghammail.co.uk/news/lo ... ase-295649

That article didnt really say why they ruled out homicide.
My guess is that he /she was a low income person,and the department felt police funds could be spent better elsewhere otherwise.

Wow this guy was causing George slight problems he seems to be a very good fighter sad to hear the crime was never solved!!

Crazy to see how muck George got away with man handling opponents pushing them and pulling them if not he wouldn't of been half as effective I don't think especially in this fight as ted could box very well

I doest sound like anyone particularly in the Cleveland area here is interested in getting
the police reports or death certicate to see how his death was finally ruled.
My guess is that he was killed elsewhere then dumped off where he lived as some kind of warning to others.

Why do you think he was killed or you not sure?

Brutu wrote:24 years ago this month(December.13 1986),the charred body of Ted Gullick,
the former light-Heavyweight Golden Gloves Champion(1963) and Heavyweight contender,
was found in a field at Cleveland Ohio.
Was his murder(?) ever solved?
What is known about Ted Gullick's life and career?
here is link to a newspaper article concerning his death.

http://news.google.com/newspapers?id=7L ... 2474597&dq

This week marks the 29th anniversary of this.
Has any new information on this case surfaced yet?

this week marks the 30th anniversary.
any new leads ?
( just figured that Al Perno would be interested in reading this thread anyway )

George Foreman vs Ted Gullick(April 1972)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D_R2ZBjyiRY

It still remains a mystery into 2017 It looks like.

It will take til Judgement Day before we find out who killed Ted Gullick.... I'll be interested in finding out.

17 months before Foreman fought Gullick, he fought what I thought at the time was the worst boxer I had ever seen... Boone Kirkman's balance, footwork, and the way he loaded his punches against Foreman, was so bad it was comical.... I don't know if he was drunk or what his problem was https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zk3Y-JlMa0c .... The funny part was the clueless announcer saying "Both men are very good defensive fighters." ... Fight starts at 1:17 of vid.

Brutu wrote: ↑11 Dec 2010, 23:36 Here is a trivia question for you all.
Ted Gullick won the 175 lb weight class in the National Golden Gloves tournament in Chicago in March 1963.

Who won the 118 lb wt class in the same GG tournament?

(here is a clue,if you watch HBO boxing,he is now 66 years old and still African-American.)

I have the film of both Manny Steward and Gullick in this tournament as well as Dynamite Douglas, Busters dad.

Did he kill himself or did someone else do it? do you think.

misterpunch wrote: ↑13 Dec 2012, 17:51 gullick looked good for a while against GF - very good left jab - george's poor balance and wasted shots are very evident here

Very good jab??? that jab didn't do anything... Wasted shots??? Gulick was wasted in 2 rounds... The fight didn't mean anything and was just part of getting Foreman a long string of victories and a lot of experience... Foreman probably made a 100 X more for knocking out Boone Kirkman just as easily almost 2 years earlier... Foreman-Gulick was so poorly attended that Gullick's guarantee of 2000 dollars was more than Foreman made... The Foreman people didn't care.

Mike Tyson had the same situation a few times before he won the title... D'Amato just wanted to get Tyson a lot of fights... He didn't argue too much about the money... That not why you take these fights... The money comes later.

I wonder of murderdata.org has compiled a listing from deaths in Northeastern Ohio around that time of murders/suicides
were people were set or set themselves on fire ?

Well there's many easier ways to do it..... Anyone thinking of suicide would prefer a pain free method.

One of the easiest is hanging yourself... You're supposed to lose consciousness very quickly and it's not too painful... Another is running a hose from your exhaust pipe into your car and in 10 to 15 minutes you'll be gone... Another is sleeping pills, but you better take 3 bottles, just in case.... They say chugging a 5th of whiskey will do it and you can poison yourself in any number of ways, but there's generally pain involved.... Shooting yourself in the head is a very common way - once you squeeze the trigger there's no more pain forever and ever.... Jumping off a bridge or a high building is fairly common.... But what about the mess you leave???

Suicide is a mortal sin - as is deliberately taking the life of any human being.... Your destroy your soul as well as your body.... I believe that's why more people don't do it.... But if there's no other way out and it comes to that -- burning to death would be the last option anyone would ever choose because the pain would curl your feet up... What happens if by some miracle you survive??? You'd be a mess of burnt flesh...

Brutu wrote: ↑10 Dec 2010, 19:54 24 years ago this month(December.13 1986),the charred body of Ted Gullick,
the former light-Heavyweight Golden Gloves Champion(1963) and Heavyweight contender,
was found in a field at Cleveland Ohio.
Was his murder(?) ever solved?
What is known about Ted Gullick's life and career?
here is link to a newspaper article concerning his death.

http://news.google.com/newspapers?id=7L ... 2474597&dq

So did the Cayuhoga County corener ever determine the cause of death ?

A few months back I saw a post (I believe it may have been on Google+ but I'm not certain) from a man identified as Ronald Gullick.

In a short blurb he asked for any information regarding who may have killed Ted Gullick (note that he didn't mention suicide). As I recall, his words were that the murder occurred in Cleveland and that the word on the street was that Cleveland police may have been behind it.

That may explain why it's unsolved after all these years.

I don't know who Ronald Gullick is. Maybe a brother. I'm sorry I didn't keep better track of the post.

For you sleuths out there (Brutu, Caractacus?), locate Ronald Gullick and you may begin to unravel the Ted Gullick mystery.

what inspired me to do this thread way back,was reading Earnie Shavers autobiography.
He mentions his fight in some detail with Ted Gullick in 1971 for the Ohio Heavyweight Championship.
He said he and Gullick were good friends
and back in 1970 that Gullick's girlfriend owned a Tavern up in Cleveland and Gullick was a bouncer there too.
Seems this woman had Ted Gullick on a string tho.
elsewhere in the book Shavers said Gullick ended up being killed but didn't go into detail..

Ted Gullick's last professional fight was in November 1974
and he died in December 1986.
so thats a 12 year span of being out of the fight buisness as a fighter anyway..

There were 2 other Heavyweight Boxer's deaths that always puzzled the Hell out of me... Guys who fought each other and each died very mysteriously at the young age of 40.... Zora Folley and Eddie Machen.

I'm almost certain both deaths were murders -- but I'll have to wait for Judgement Day to find out who and why.

hey SenorPipino,
concerning corruption in the Cleveland Police Dept and Northern Ohio..
check out this article from January 1998
concerning a Federal Sting Operation that began in the Summer of 1996


https://nytimes.com/1998/01/22/us/44-of ... ation.html

Caractacus wrote: ↑27 Dec 2017, 20:20 hey SenorPipino,
concerning corruption in the Cleveland Police Dept and Northern Ohio..
check out this article from January 1998
concerning a Federal Sting Operation that began in the Summer of 1996


https://nytimes.com/1998/01/22/us/44-of ... ation.html

Interesting read.

I wonder how much involvement Gullick had with Cleveland PD post-boxing.

An accusation that dirty LE may be behind Gullick's murder (I can't buy suicide. Setting yourself on fire is reserved for Buddhist monks and why did he wrap himself in a blanket first?) may hold water when you realize that no progress has been made on this case in 30 years.

sounds like he may have been murdered at another location and then his body returned and dropped off in the vacant field near the YMCA to send some kind of a message to someone.
( sort of like one of the theories of THE BLACK DAHLIA murder in Los Angeles in 1947)

check out the original full length article from the Archives of UPI concerning it.
It has more details of it.
( the previous link was to an ubridged version of the article)
sounds like from reading this that Ted Gullick may have had a history of being a "Nixie Fighter"
as they use to say back in the day..

https://www.upi.com/Archives/1986/12/14 ... 534920400/

I had to look that one up.

Nixie fighter. Someone who has a penchant for fighting cops, right?

The fact that Gullick was nude makes suicide even more unlikely. What are the chances that he leaves his room at the Y naked, walks to a vacant lot, wraps himself in a blanket and then sets himself on fire?

Not a realistic scenario.

What I want to know is if he was killed elsewhere, what was the cause of death? That would have been in the autopsy report.

It would have demonstrated murder.

Were any wounds on the body? Why no apparent follow up in the contemporary press. Gullick was something of a name in the area.

The burning of the body was probably an amateurish means to hide Gullick's identity.

But teeth don't usually burn.

maybe someone "high up" put the "kabash" on any release of an autopsy or a long delay
or even a follow-up article,
until it was forgotten about in the press.
Maybe one of the eyewitness that was later interviewed may
have said something like he saw him get into the back of a police squad car
earlier that Evening or something.