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J-C wrote:Good fight, if Judah has anything left his speed should present a new problem for Khan to solve.

Imagine if they land simultaneously and both do the crazy leg dance...

Strictly come Dancing! DD

Khan will have too much for Judah at this stage of his career me thinks, but Judah hits hard, harder than Maidana in my opinion, so we shall see!

LeedsLad wrote:It's a shit fight if you ask me.

Zab is done. He last beat a good opponent (legitimately) when?

He quit like a girl against Clottey, and got a gift against Matthysse.

It's not a fight that proves anything about Amir, I'd look at someone like Ortiz.... he's being hyped and isn't that good - let him take some of the credit rather than beating up an old man.

Khan deserves a handpicked voluntary after last week. Apparently hes going to fight in April and July so its a decent name homecoming bout before the unification in summer..

This is a really tough fight for Khan! Judah may not hit as hard as Maidana but he hits on funny angles with much more speed that Maidana I think if Zab is to win it will be early (first 4 rounds) after that I imagine it to be a one sided beat down (ala Mayweather) Judah is a good 4 round fighter but late he isn't great so if it goes past 4 Khan should put in an impressive performance!

So many quick to write-off Zab ?

He had a tough fight with another Argie puncher Matthysse who was 27-0 (25ko) and got a SD. Matthysse is set to have an all-Argentinian showdown with Maidana next.

Fact is he is past his prime, but likewise he has only been defeated once at 140lb.

He is still pretty fast, still has that superb counter-left hook that rattled Tyszu, Cotto and Mayweather - and bags of experience.

I expect Khan to win, but Judah is a very live underdog at 140lb i think. Plus he is a very big name stateside regardless of his losses and would be an interesting opponent indeed.

dom74 wrote:

LeedsLad wrote:It's a shit fight if you ask me.

Zab is done. He last beat a good opponent (legitimately) when?

He quit like a girl against Clottey, and got a gift against Matthysse.

It's not a fight that proves anything about Amir, I'd look at someone like Ortiz.... he's being hyped and isn't that good - let him take some of the credit rather than beating up an old man.

Khan deserves a handpicked voluntary after last week. Apparently hes going to fight in April and July so its a decent name homecoming bout before the unification in summer..

He's had two soft defences already prior to Maidana.

Salita would have lost to Frankie Gavin that night, and Malignaggi was same old same old, awkward, but mainly flash with little substance.

I'd rather see him face Ortiz or Peterson like I say, plus, what has Zab done to earn a shot?

Easy night for Khan.

Yeah, Khan should destroy Judah unless Zab can somehow conjure a Prescott moment.

LeedsLad wrote:He's had two soft defences already prior to Maidana.

Salita would have lost to Frankie Gavin that night, and Malignaggi was same old same old, awkward, but mainly flash with little substance.

I'd rather see him face Ortiz or Peterson like I say, plus, what has Zab done to earn a shot?

Salita was a mandatory and Malignaggi was ranked 3 by the WBA and coming off a win against Juan Diaz. If you think Khan's career is moving slowly you are crazy. Boxing is not Street Fighter II you don't step up a level every single fight.

J-C wrote:Salita was a mandatory ....

Yes, but that does not mean he is any good. He has always, always been poor and very much overrated by the sanctioning bodies. Khan had to fight him, I guess, but he was still a poor opponent and I also believe Gavin would have beat him that night, too.

Judah can match Khan, for speed, for a few rounds but fades and will get systematically broken up.

Decent test, and Judah can crack a bit. Still would expect Khan to win this pretty comfortably.

bengulnaci1 wrote:

J-C wrote:Salita was a mandatory ....

Yes, but that does not mean he is any good. He has always, always been poor and very much overrated by the sanctioning bodies. Khan had to fight him, I guess, but he was still a poor opponent and I also believe Gavin would have beat him that night, too.

Judah can match Khan, for speed, for a few rounds but fades and will get systematically broken up.

Decent test, and Judah can crack a bit. Still would expect Khan to win this pretty comfortably.

If you were his management with the Bradley/Alexander winner on the horizon who would you have him face instead? Baring in mind you need to sell the fight.

Or if Judah is acceptable why bitch about the mandatory Salita? Seriously I'm amazed people are upset by the quality of Khan's opponents for the last few fights.

I did not say I was upset with Khan's choice opponents. Its more a dig at sanctioning bodies for the way inferior fighters are elevated to rankings they do not deserve and we, the public, pay PPV fees to watch these mismatches. That was all.

Even today's version of Judah > Than any version of Salita.

Not sure why you are raging, to be honest.

I'm not raging my friend, just trying to add balance.

You quoted me making the point that Salita was a mandatory and the reason I did so was that someone was saying that Salita and Malignaggi = soft defenses and therefore Judah is not an acceptable opponent for Khan.

I feel Khan is being moved as quickly as any 24 year old fighter should be, especially coming off the Maidana fight.

I actually really like this fight.
Could he have come up with a better match in the uk in April?
He'll push Khan and set him up nicely for the Bradley Alexander winner in Juky

Salita was mandatory but I wouldn't have criticised the board for refusing to licence him to face Khan.

I mean..... who has he beaten?

He ran away from a fight with Willie Limond, and according to Lou DiBella (as honest a promoter as I've ever heard) turned down extremely generous offers to fight Malignaggi and Cotto, because he ''didn't want to take hard fights and risk losing''.

I'll go a step further and say that I wouldn't have been surprised to see someone like Tyrone Nurse give him a lesson. Is anyone pushing Nurse into a fight with Khan?

I think this is actually a dangerous fight for Khan for four rounds. I'm always worried when any fighter with a suspect defence or a suspect chin fights Judah, because he's fast handed and hits heavy. If it goes beyond 4, Khan wins easy, but before that, Judah can cause him serious problems.

Khan will have to keep the range very long and keep Judah firmly off balance behind the jab in the first few rounds, because if he doesn't he'll feel a very different type of power than Maidana had to offer.

I'd go see this. I've always had a soft spot for Zab; kicking the shite out of Corey Spinks will make me forgive a multitude of sins (the grills, the cars, the wannabe-gangstaisms, losing to Baldomir & Clottey).

Plus, it'll be exciting until about the seventh or eighth, which is when Zab will bail out.

LeedsLad wrote:Salita was mandatory but I wouldn't have criticised the board for refusing to licence him to face Khan.

I mean..... who has he beaten?

He ran away from a fight with Willie Limond, and according to Lou DiBella (as honest a promoter as I've ever heard) turned down extremely generous offers to fight Malignaggi and Cotto, because he ''didn't want to take hard fights and risk losing''.

I'll go a step further and say that I wouldn't have been surprised to see someone like Tyrone Nurse give him a lesson. Is anyone pushing Nurse into a fight with Khan?

Well sadly how you rank a fighter's chances in imaginary fights that would never happen and the resulting rankings have no baring.

Your original point was that Salita and Malignaggi were "soft defences" and therefore Judah is an unacceptable opponent. So baring in mind that the Bradley/Alexander winner is unlikely to be available in April, how would you manage Khan's career for the next few fights?

I fancy Judah to k/o khan with his power and hand speed or could win by u/d. Judah is no mug. Like Khan but judah is a live opponent and probably tought than maidana.

This fight DEFINITELY WON'T happen. Kahn is awaiting the outcome of the Alexander/ Bradley fight, Roach won't have him thinking about anything else apart from that.

But if the fight does happen by some slim chance. I would go for Kahn, he's too sharp nowadays.

LeedsLad wrote:It's a shit fight if you ask me.

Zab is done. He last beat a good opponent (legitimately) when?

He quit like a girl against Clottey, and got a gift against Matthysse.

It's not a fight that proves anything about Amir, I'd look at someone like Ortiz.... he's being hyped and isn't that good - let him take some of the credit rather than beating up an old man.

i wouldnt call judah an old man. He is still very talented and not quite opponent level. Id just say he has been exposed at world class level and at 147 against big guys. He is also a blatant front runner but still a talented world class fighter who would have a chance of beating khan especially if his head is right.

The way u tell it about limond is nonsense and the kind of stuff i thought the maidana win might put an end to.

Horse wrote:

Spiker wrote:Judah is well past it.
They probably thought maidana was going to be an easier task than he was as he is slow on his feet but Judah is a step down from him.
This is a backwards step from the khan camp

Judah might not be better than Maidana, but he is still a good fighter. Khan doesn't have to continually fight better and better opposition.

It will be one of Khan's best opponents to date, so it doesn't seem like a bad fight to me.

Who do you think would win between Khan and Judah, if the fight took place in the Spring of next year, Horse? Why? And how confident would you be?

mugabi wrote:

LeedsLad wrote:It's a shit fight if you ask me.

Zab is done. He last beat a good opponent (legitimately) when?

He quit like a girl against Clottey, and got a gift against Matthysse.

It's not a fight that proves anything about Amir, I'd look at someone like Ortiz.... he's being hyped and isn't that good - let him take some of the credit rather than beating up an old man.

i wouldnt call judah an old man. He is still very talented and not quite opponent level. Id just say he has been exposed at world class level and at 147 against big guys. He is also a blatant front runner but still a talented world class fighter who would have a chance of beating khan especially if his head is right.

The way u tell it about limond is nonsense and the kind of stuff i thought the maidana win might put an end to.

I've not said anything derogatory about Limond (or Khan for that matter).

Willie posted on ESB himself that he was signed to fight Salita, before the fight was cancelled with a mysterious injury.

Salita has form for backing out of fights, and why not, when every cancellation gets you further up in the WBA rankings. He was a joke opponent, albeit one Khan had to fight in order to keep his title.

I'm a Khan fan, but tell it how it is - I want to see him in the best fights..... I fail to see what an old Judah brings to the table fresh from a gift decision over a fringe prospect.

Zab Judah should have the name 'Recycle' for the amount of times he gets big fights when apparently doing little to justify them.

Still, Its a good name and profile fight for Amir Khan and one I think he'll win quite comfortably.

WelshDevil wrote:Zab Judah should have the name 'Recycle' for the amount of times he gets big fights when apparently doing little to justify them.

Still, Its a good name and profile fight for Amir Khan and one I think he'll win quite comfortably.

Partially agree - but at 140 he is still a massive name and has only lost once in that devision an age ago.

I think of late he can classify himself a little "frozen" out. He expressed his desire to move back to 140 after the Cotto fight 3 years ago. He couldn't secure a title shot at 140 untill now (and something might throw a spanner in the works).

I think an impressive wins over former interim titlest Santa Cruz and now his lucky (but officially a win) over Matthysse warrants a crack at a world belt. I think he is a credible challenger with this run in 2010.