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Re: If Andy Lee beats Sergio Martinez in March........
Posted: 18 Dec 2010, 15:48
by whiskey
Lee has a puncher's chance.
But I see him being stopped on his feet round 8 after starting brightly.
Re: If Andy Lee beats Sergio Martinez in March........
Posted: 18 Dec 2010, 20:24
by forcefraser
I imagine Lee is in for a Norwegian football commentator`s contribution to comedy legend "....one helluva beating"
How does Lee get a shot at Martinez, after his last few opponents were absolute pants?
Re: If Andy Lee beats Sergio Martinez in March........
Posted: 18 Dec 2010, 21:04
by lefty
Newport Daz wrote:This title shot is waaaaayyyy too early for him. HBO are a joke and Frank Maloney is right, Emmanual Steward is a money whore for allowing this fight to happen and taking his big cut. Andy Lee will get beaten badly at this stage of his career.
Where did maloney say that?I missed it.
Re: If Andy Lee beats Sergio Martinez in March........
Posted: 18 Dec 2010, 21:10
by lefty
Autobarn wrote:martinez, one of my fave fighters, will brutally expose lee, and probably make a lot of money, which he deserves to do given his recent form during an extremely hot schedule.
glad that martinez has an 'event' fight, a good stage on which to perform.
maybe lee can make a fight out of it, due to his size and apparent talent. but it's a massive step up in class. chavez jr might have been a better challenger, as he can at least fight inside. but chavez - with his latin fury PPVs and milking of his dad's name - has more to lose.
glad HBO turned down zbik, a boring fighter albeit a top contender (just about).
hope one of the good middleweight contenders - and there are plenty of 'em (golovkin, njikam, geale, macklin, barker) - will step up. don't want to see martinez deplete himself for one of those catchweights vs someone like cotto, who got thrashed in his last big fight.
Aload of money fighting lee?!Dont get me wrong i know lee will be somewhat of a draw in the u.s with all the irish-americans but i doubt he's big enough of a draw to make serious money again.There isnt a ton of big money fights for martinez at middleweight though,I mean pirog isnt a draw and you have the likes of sturm,etc but they'll never step up and take the fight!
Re: If Andy Lee beats Sergio Martinez in March........
Posted: 19 Dec 2010, 12:58
by freddydoesdallas
thepocketrocket wrote:He has as good a chance as any other British fighter at the weight....it is a fight where even if he loses he will, in my opinion gain experience....
Is this fight on?
Know what you are saying yiddo...this is just the forum where there is a huge belief that Barker-Lee would be a 'mismatch'
I'm not too sure about that as there is a very real possibility that he'll get pasted. Sometimes a fight against a top level fighter can show you where you need to improve, sometimes it can just destroy your confidence
Re: If Andy Lee beats Sergio Martinez in March........
Posted: 19 Dec 2010, 13:17
by thepocketrocket
I agree mate...I am working off the basis that I rate Lee highly..as high as Martinez? Certainly not but I believe he will do well!
I can't see Manny sending him to his doom so he must think he is decent enough to put up a good show.As previously stated, this isn't Pavlik-Lockett or Cotto-Jennings(IMO)
Was it so long ago that Martinez was seen as cannon fodder for Williams? I am getting old
Re: If Andy Lee beats Sergio Martinez in March........
Posted: 19 Dec 2010, 13:35
by Newport Daz
lefty wrote:Newport Daz wrote:This title shot is waaaaayyyy too early for him. HBO are a joke and Frank Maloney is right, Emmanual Steward is a money whore for allowing this fight to happen and taking his big cut. Andy Lee will get beaten badly at this stage of his career.
Where did maloney say that?I missed it.
It wasn't in relation to this fight, it was ages ago when he was a guest on Bunce's Boxing Hour on Setanta. Frank said Emmanuel would do and say anything for a dollar. I've seen him make the same comments in BM too. I guess he's not high on Steward!
Re: If Andy Lee beats Sergio Martinez in March........
Posted: 20 Dec 2010, 06:57
by Autobarn
lefty wrote:Autobarn wrote:martinez, one of my fave fighters, will brutally expose lee, and probably make a lot of money, which he deserves to do given his recent form during an extremely hot schedule.
glad that martinez has an 'event' fight, a good stage on which to perform.
maybe lee can make a fight out of it, due to his size and apparent talent. but it's a massive step up in class. chavez jr might have been a better challenger, as he can at least fight inside. but chavez - with his latin fury PPVs and milking of his dad's name - has more to lose.
glad HBO turned down zbik, a boring fighter albeit a top contender (just about).
hope one of the good middleweight contenders - and there are plenty of 'em (golovkin, njikam, geale, macklin, barker) - will step up. don't want to see martinez deplete himself for one of those catchweights vs someone like cotto, who got thrashed in his last big fight.
Aload of money fighting lee?!Dont get me wrong i know lee will be somewhat of a draw in the u.s with all the irish-americans but i doubt he's big enough of a draw to make serious money again.There isnt a ton of big money fights for martinez at middleweight though,I mean pirog isnt a draw and you have the likes of sturm,etc but they'll never step up and take the fight!
obviously it's no holmes-cooney but with the HBO licence fee and the live gate - provided lee and his irishness make him a draw - martinez should make some money.
the real money for martinez will be vs light middle sized guys probably in catchweights (cotto PPV, perhaps even kirkland and angulo if they return from troubled times) ) and young guns such as chavez jr and saul alvarez (not that he'll be allowed anywhere near him).
re bennie's article - martinez lifted the title from pavlik (not williams), then defended vs williams, destroying him in revenge match.
Re: If Andy Lee beats Sergio Martinez in March........
Posted: 20 Dec 2010, 08:02
by Captain Hook
forcefraser wrote:I imagine Lee is in for a Norwegian football commentator`s contribution to comedy legend "....one helluva beating"
How does Lee get a shot at Martinez, after his last few opponents were absolute pants?
x2
Doesn't deserve this shot, and if it happens it will be over within six rounds.
Re: If Andy Lee beats Sergio Martinez in March........
Posted: 20 Dec 2010, 08:17
by Lenny
Newport Daz wrote:lefty wrote:Newport Daz wrote:This title shot is waaaaayyyy too early for him. HBO are a joke and Frank Maloney is right, Emmanual Steward is a money whore for allowing this fight to happen and taking his big cut. Andy Lee will get beaten badly at this stage of his career.
Where did maloney say that?I missed it.
It wasn't in relation to this fight, it was ages ago when he was a guest on Bunce's Boxing Hour on Setanta. Frank said Emmanuel would do and say anything for a dollar. I've seen him make the same comments in BM too. I guess he's not high on Steward!
Relating to Lennox Lewis dumping little Frank do you think?
Re: If Andy Lee beats Sergio Martinez in March........
Posted: 20 Dec 2010, 08:25
by JC
forcefraser wrote:How does Lee get a shot at Martinez, after his last few opponents were absolute pants?
Probably due to Martinez' last few opponents not being pants - Cintron, Williams, Pavlik, Williams. He deserves an easier fight next and by definition that means it won't be one of the top guys in the division. Lee makes good business sense I reckon.
Re: If Andy Lee beats Sergio Martinez in March........
Posted: 20 Dec 2010, 11:11
by ApolloCreed
If Andy Lee beats Martinez i shall buy a tent and camp up tony bellews arsehole like everyone else on here
Re: If Andy Lee beats Sergio Martinez in March........
Posted: 20 Dec 2010, 15:20
by misticmonk
[ Fairytales in New York began and ended with The Pogues and Kirsty MacColl.[/quote]
I like the hard nosed punchline.
Re: If Andy Lee beats Sergio Martinez in March........
Posted: 20 Dec 2010, 18:20
by WelshDevil
Very tough task. Don't think hes ready for this.
Re: If Andy Lee beats Sergio Martinez in March........
Posted: 21 Dec 2010, 05:53
by bennie
If Lee stars in a remake of The Quiet Man, and gives the performance of a lifetime to match that of John Wayne's 1952 performance, he might just get in.
Re: If Andy Lee beats Sergio Martinez in March........
Posted: 21 Dec 2010, 05:54
by Counter-puncher
ha, not as good as the 'fairytale' line though bennie.
Re: If Andy Lee beats Sergio Martinez in March........
Posted: 21 Dec 2010, 06:00
by bennie
Can someone explain Lee's knockout of Carl Daniels to me? It looks like he catches Daniels with a body shot and yet the American is 'out'.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E2bPJQcDyu0
Re: If Andy Lee beats Sergio Martinez in March........
Posted: 21 Dec 2010, 06:03
by Datsue
Not starting or nuffink Bennie but if you watch the slo-mo on that video at 35-37 seconds that right hook clearly lands on the point of the chin, mate. Nice, short inside hook. 44 seconds is even clearer.
Re: If Andy Lee beats Sergio Martinez in March........
Posted: 21 Dec 2010, 06:07
by Counter-puncher
Datsue wrote:
Not starting or nuffink Bennie but if you watch the slo-mo on that video at 35-37 seconds that right hook clearly lands on the point of the chin, mate. Nice, short inside hook. 44 seconds is even clearer.
remarkably similar to the Martinez kd of Williams in the first fight
Re: If Andy Lee beats Sergio Martinez in March........
Posted: 21 Dec 2010, 06:08
by bennie
You're right. I couldn't watch any more, with Lee's chin going up when he jabs, and Daniels defining the word slow. Another nice Lee match.
Re: If Andy Lee beats Sergio Martinez in March........
Posted: 21 Dec 2010, 08:14
by misticmonk
Ah Bennie, even a bitter lemon when watered down and sugared can make a sweet lemonade.
If Lee is victorious I'm sure you will be the first to congratulate him.
Re: If Andy Lee beats Sergio Martinez in March........
Posted: 21 Dec 2010, 08:57
by bennie
misticmonk wrote:Ah Bennie, even a bitter lemon when watered down and sugared can make a sweet lemonade.
Re: If Andy Lee beats Sergio Martinez in March........
Posted: 21 Dec 2010, 13:31
by slapbangwhallop
Your day will come Bennie. Lee is a young fighter, with time and talent on his side. You will eat crow one of these days!
Re: If Andy Lee beats Sergio Martinez in March........
Posted: 22 Dec 2010, 04:56
by bennie
You deserve it for your totally ridiculous, totally biased, totally blinkered thread introduction.
Re: If Andy Lee beats Sergio Martinez in March........
Posted: 22 Dec 2010, 06:32
by Autobarn
HBO have now turned down both zbik AND lee, apparently.
think hbo should have given martinez a pass after those coupleof heartbreaking decisions that weren't in his favour and after the two outstanding wins that will earn him most pulications' fighter of the year award.