Well Said!!!thunderfromdownunder wrote:there was a time when imo mundine was prob the second best smw in the world. He just never capitalized on the momentum of the green and solimam fights. He could have beaten Taylor or wright at his peak.
What if you had managed Anthony Mundine's career?
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Condo Crusher
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Mark pawsey
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Hounddawg wrote:I would have forced him to travel. I would have made him challenge the champs who held the real champion status to the vacant belts that he owned.
He's best fights are listed below, this is how he'll be measured.
Win= bold, Lost =red
Green UD wide
Geale SD Controversial
Soliman X3 first fight controversial
Echols UD Wide
Kessler UD Dominant
Oktte KO 10 Mundine actually winning this fightWhy would you force him to travel? When he makes more money in Australia than he would anywhere else if your someones manager your job is to make them as much money as you can that's the job any sort manager isn't it
Mundine also has some strong Fringe fighters on his resume, fighters that were never world champions but were just a step or 2 below that level.
Siacca SD
Medley UD wide
Hamden UD Dominant
There's also some familiar names of old(past it fighters) that Mundine picked at the bones, that were good in there day.
Ellis KO 3 Beat a Superfeather at Super Middle
Waters KO 2
Thornberry KO11
Taylor UD dominant
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Your point, pray tell?
Re: What if you had managed Anthony Mundine's career?
Mark pawsey wrote:Hounddawg wrote:I would have forced him to travel. I would have made him challenge the champs who held the real champion status to the vacant belts that he owned.
He's best fights are listed below, this is how he'll be measured.
Win= bold, Lost =red
Green UD wide
Geale SD Controversial
Soliman X3 first fight controversial
Echols UD Wide
Kessler UD Dominant
Oktte KO 10 Mundine actually winning this fightWhy would you force him to travel? When he makes more money in Australia than he would anywhere else if your someones manager your job is to make them as much money as you can that's the job any sort manager isn't it
Mundine also has some strong Fringe fighters on his resume, fighters that were never world champions but were just a step or 2 below that level.
Siacca SD
Medley UD wide
Hamden UD Dominant
There's also some familiar names of old(past it fighters) that Mundine picked at the bones, that were good in there day.
Ellis KO 3 Beat a Superfeather at Super Middle
Waters KO 2
Thornberry KO11
Taylor UD dominant
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If I were Mundine's Manager, his activity from 2007 - 2012 would have been a lot different that it had, and he would have perhaps been better perceived on his record on a global stage.
Essentially Boxa saw Mundine as a cash cow and as such produced to throw out 10-12 PPV fights in a row where he fought absolute sh1te.
Remember one of the PPV promo's from circa 2008?
Dramatic Voiceover -
"MUNDINE STEPS IT UP TO TAKE ON LATIN AMERICA'S FINEST"
The guy who he was facing none of us on this board had heard of him, and he was ranked outside of the 150 on Boxrec.
They even sold a PPV where he took on a NSW coal miner who had took 10 week unpaid leave to train for the fight, had moderate success domestically, but the Boxa promotion team were in hyper-drive convincing the punters that this fight was going to land him a shot at Mayweather!!!
That is where I would have done things differently. I would have sent him to the US to get a few fights on a ESPN Friday night under card against quality oppo. Would have taken him to Europe. Get some world class names under the belt, and people for whom where in contention of a MW World title shot, and believe me, I thought Mundine would have certainly beaten a lot of guys in the top 20 at the time. Then get him into a mandatory, and use the popularity/reputation to get the said World Title fighter over to Australia.
But this is boxing, the career is short and you must maximize your earning potential in that period. He took the easy route, he and Boxa made a lot of money out of it, fair play.
Essentially Boxa saw Mundine as a cash cow and as such produced to throw out 10-12 PPV fights in a row where he fought absolute sh1te.
Remember one of the PPV promo's from circa 2008?
Dramatic Voiceover -
"MUNDINE STEPS IT UP TO TAKE ON LATIN AMERICA'S FINEST"
The guy who he was facing none of us on this board had heard of him, and he was ranked outside of the 150 on Boxrec.
They even sold a PPV where he took on a NSW coal miner who had took 10 week unpaid leave to train for the fight, had moderate success domestically, but the Boxa promotion team were in hyper-drive convincing the punters that this fight was going to land him a shot at Mayweather!!!
That is where I would have done things differently. I would have sent him to the US to get a few fights on a ESPN Friday night under card against quality oppo. Would have taken him to Europe. Get some world class names under the belt, and people for whom where in contention of a MW World title shot, and believe me, I thought Mundine would have certainly beaten a lot of guys in the top 20 at the time. Then get him into a mandatory, and use the popularity/reputation to get the said World Title fighter over to Australia.
But this is boxing, the career is short and you must maximize your earning potential in that period. He took the easy route, he and Boxa made a lot of money out of it, fair play.
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And here he is in 2021 about to cop a hiding from Michael Zerafa , like Marlon Brando's, Terry Molloy in "On The Waterfront", exclaiming ""I coulda' had class. I coulda' been a contender. I could've been somebody"
His management, his father, all those hangers-on all need to tell Mundine - it's time mate, hang up your gloves.
So how do you sum up Mundine's long career - he had all that ability, the audience wanted to support him, but he played "the heel" role, isolating many and in the washup, sinned against his talent.
His management, his father, all those hangers-on all need to tell Mundine - it's time mate, hang up your gloves.
So how do you sum up Mundine's long career - he had all that ability, the audience wanted to support him, but he played "the heel" role, isolating many and in the washup, sinned against his talent.
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Honestly, Mundine did what every boxer more or less aims to do in their career and made a shitload of money. More than that he made a lot of other Aussie fighters some good coin that they never would've seen. He was IMO the best thing that happened for Australian boxing in a long time. Without Mundine, Green would've been the same as every other Aussie world champ that the public hasn't heard of and may not have had the financial clout to get the title shots he wanted.
If I was Mundine's manager I wouldn't have had him fight Ottke a year and a half into his career and having only been past 8 rounds once. I would have looked for a new trainer after the Siaca fight. IMO Mundine was more talented than Siaca but didn't have the confidence he needed to fight how he normally fights, this was shown again when he fought Kessler. I'm not sure if anyone outside of Johnny Lewis fitted the bill at the time in Australia. Sending Mundine to Kronk probably would've been one of the best options. Manny turned around a lot of guys and turned a lot of chinny fighters into confident stars. I wouldn't have had him drop down to MW by losing the weight how he did. He just never looked the same IMO. He probably could've made the MW limit with smarter weight cutting without losing his mass.
If I was Mundine's manager I wouldn't have had him fight Ottke a year and a half into his career and having only been past 8 rounds once. I would have looked for a new trainer after the Siaca fight. IMO Mundine was more talented than Siaca but didn't have the confidence he needed to fight how he normally fights, this was shown again when he fought Kessler. I'm not sure if anyone outside of Johnny Lewis fitted the bill at the time in Australia. Sending Mundine to Kronk probably would've been one of the best options. Manny turned around a lot of guys and turned a lot of chinny fighters into confident stars. I wouldn't have had him drop down to MW by losing the weight how he did. He just never looked the same IMO. He probably could've made the MW limit with smarter weight cutting without losing his mass.
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AntonioMartin
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I'd told him not to be such an idiot making anti-American remarks after 9/11.....
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For a start he should’ve stayed at super middle. He could be strong at that weight and did put people away. By losing all that weight certainly didn’t help in my opinion. He wasn’t carrying all that much at 76.2kg so to go down he had to lose muscle. His demolition of Sam Soliman in Sydney was his best in my opinion.
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I would have told him to take the mandatory Kessler fight at SM instead of going down to Jockey weight
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I doubt Mundine was ever really that much bigger in the ring than Hopkins was on fight night. I always felt if he went down to MW he shouldn't have lost mass just cut more water prior to the weigh in. He was certainly smaller than a few of the SMW's he fought.fox wrote: ↑01 Mar 2021, 22:02 For a start he should’ve stayed at super middle. He could be strong at that weight and did put people away. By losing all that weight certainly didn’t help in my opinion. He wasn’t carrying all that much at 76.2kg so to go down he had to lose muscle. His demolition of Sam Soliman in Sydney was his best in my opinion.
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Nick Walshaw writes in today's Telegraph a pretty good summary of Antony Mundine's career as he takes his final bow tonight:
Anthony Mundine brings down the curtain on his hyped fight career
He was once the Pay-Per-View King of Australian boxing but Anthony Mundine’s career is about to draw to an inglorious end in a fight in country Victoria he should never have entertained.
FOR years, Australians paid good money in the hope of seeing Anthony Mundine knocked out.
But now, when it’s never been a better chance of happening? Ironically, most have tuned out. Not everyone. But close enough. Which itself is some story, right?
For so long the undeniable Pay-Per-View King of Australian boxing, Mundine is now, aged 45, and on an ugly run of outs, preparing to say goodbye in an anonymous Saturday fight night which, against genuine middleweight tough Michael Zerafa, won’t be shown on Main Event, or even Fox Sports, but instead live streamed to anyone who cares enough to Google details. By our count, it will be Choc’s fifth farewell.
Although harsher critics have been urging this retirement since his loss to fellow Sydneysider Daniel Geale, now eight years and 10 fights ago. Indeed, with each new defeat, the lights that once shone so bright on Australia’s most recognised, and controversial, athlete have now faded almost completely.
Of his past five fights, Mundine has lost four. Of his past seven fights, he’s lost five — many of them worryingly so.
Like his 2014 bout against Ghanaian Joshua Clottey, where Mundine was floored five times in a lopsided points decision loss.
Then within a year, against American Charles Hatley, his corner threw the towel in Round 11, this time ending a bout where Choc was dropped three times in the second round alone. Even in his most recent fight against Aussie kickboxing legend John Wayne Parr, undoubtedly one of the greatest combat athletes this country has produced, but a fella who had not boxed professionally in 16 years, Mundine lost via split decision.
All of which brings us to Bendigo Stadium tonight, and that fight few will watch.
Even with Mundine a whopping $9 TAB outsider, and men like Jeff Fenech urging the bout be cancelled for his safety. So as for wanting anyone kayoed?
No, let’s just hope this one, truly, will be the last for Choc.
That after years of entertaining Aussie sports fans as, first, that running, scoring, backflipping St George Dragons No. 6, then the boxer worth, by his own count, $34 million, Mundine will finally hang up the gloves to go do, well, anything else.
Maybe The Man disappears to perfect his jump shot with the kids? Or perhaps, creates a Mundine Boxing Academy. Somewhere youngsters with nothing can go chase everything. How good would that be?
Undoubtedly, Choc still has something to give Australian sport as mentor, trainer, even commentator. Anything outside the ropes.
But still, there was a time, right?
Most notably when he not only walked out on rugby league, clutching Muhammad Ali’s biography, but then silenced so much of Australia by not only beating Danny Green, but taking the WBA super middleweight strap from Sam Soliman, then IBO middleweight belt from Daniel Geale.
Elsewhere, Choc also beat Antwon Echols and, courageously, challenged Sven Ottke for the IBF super middleweight title in just his 11th fight. Which is where he got slept, sure. A loss from which he never really recovered.
Same deal his comments about America and 9/11. Or Arthur Beetson and Uncle Tom.
Still, those closest to him insist so much of this has all been an act.
That the real man is someone so much kinder, genuine, and sincere.
Sure, he called himself The Greatest. Yet Choc, he never drank.
Never did drugs, either (even if the continued talk of fighting Floyd Mayweather had some convinced otherwise). But strip him right back, friends say, and Mundine is the loveliest fella.
Over the years, more than a handful of people wanting us to know how, when things were toughest, it was his arm that wrapped around them.
Which is hopefully, now, what happens for The Man tonight.
So thanks for the memories, Choc. Stay safe.
Anthony Mundine brings down the curtain on his hyped fight career
He was once the Pay-Per-View King of Australian boxing but Anthony Mundine’s career is about to draw to an inglorious end in a fight in country Victoria he should never have entertained.
FOR years, Australians paid good money in the hope of seeing Anthony Mundine knocked out.
But now, when it’s never been a better chance of happening? Ironically, most have tuned out. Not everyone. But close enough. Which itself is some story, right?
For so long the undeniable Pay-Per-View King of Australian boxing, Mundine is now, aged 45, and on an ugly run of outs, preparing to say goodbye in an anonymous Saturday fight night which, against genuine middleweight tough Michael Zerafa, won’t be shown on Main Event, or even Fox Sports, but instead live streamed to anyone who cares enough to Google details. By our count, it will be Choc’s fifth farewell.
Although harsher critics have been urging this retirement since his loss to fellow Sydneysider Daniel Geale, now eight years and 10 fights ago. Indeed, with each new defeat, the lights that once shone so bright on Australia’s most recognised, and controversial, athlete have now faded almost completely.
Of his past five fights, Mundine has lost four. Of his past seven fights, he’s lost five — many of them worryingly so.
Like his 2014 bout against Ghanaian Joshua Clottey, where Mundine was floored five times in a lopsided points decision loss.
Then within a year, against American Charles Hatley, his corner threw the towel in Round 11, this time ending a bout where Choc was dropped three times in the second round alone. Even in his most recent fight against Aussie kickboxing legend John Wayne Parr, undoubtedly one of the greatest combat athletes this country has produced, but a fella who had not boxed professionally in 16 years, Mundine lost via split decision.
All of which brings us to Bendigo Stadium tonight, and that fight few will watch.
Even with Mundine a whopping $9 TAB outsider, and men like Jeff Fenech urging the bout be cancelled for his safety. So as for wanting anyone kayoed?
No, let’s just hope this one, truly, will be the last for Choc.
That after years of entertaining Aussie sports fans as, first, that running, scoring, backflipping St George Dragons No. 6, then the boxer worth, by his own count, $34 million, Mundine will finally hang up the gloves to go do, well, anything else.
Maybe The Man disappears to perfect his jump shot with the kids? Or perhaps, creates a Mundine Boxing Academy. Somewhere youngsters with nothing can go chase everything. How good would that be?
Undoubtedly, Choc still has something to give Australian sport as mentor, trainer, even commentator. Anything outside the ropes.
But still, there was a time, right?
Most notably when he not only walked out on rugby league, clutching Muhammad Ali’s biography, but then silenced so much of Australia by not only beating Danny Green, but taking the WBA super middleweight strap from Sam Soliman, then IBO middleweight belt from Daniel Geale.
Elsewhere, Choc also beat Antwon Echols and, courageously, challenged Sven Ottke for the IBF super middleweight title in just his 11th fight. Which is where he got slept, sure. A loss from which he never really recovered.
Same deal his comments about America and 9/11. Or Arthur Beetson and Uncle Tom.
Still, those closest to him insist so much of this has all been an act.
That the real man is someone so much kinder, genuine, and sincere.
Sure, he called himself The Greatest. Yet Choc, he never drank.
Never did drugs, either (even if the continued talk of fighting Floyd Mayweather had some convinced otherwise). But strip him right back, friends say, and Mundine is the loveliest fella.
Over the years, more than a handful of people wanting us to know how, when things were toughest, it was his arm that wrapped around them.
Which is hopefully, now, what happens for The Man tonight.
So thanks for the memories, Choc. Stay safe.
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Extremely well written. I agree with everything and wish him all the best
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haha, big mouth got pummeled again.