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Posted: **10 Jan 2011, 18:10**

Also the only reason that Derrick Chisora is getting all the attention is because the Klitschos know he is still wet behind the ears with a handful of fights and ready for the taking.
If I were Chisora's people I would get him at least another eight fights and let the Klitschos get a little older .
David Haye has definitely got the right idea.

Posted: **11 Jan 2011, 08:58**

Good topic The commonwealth title is now a British title Ozzy fighters fight for the regional titles to get ranked and Canadians fight for the north American titles. some British fighters get the commonwealth before they get the British how does that work? shouldn't the commonwealth be higher? Wasn't there a time when Australia had 5 of 7 commonwealth champs Ozzy boxing must of been strong than. Long before my time but Ive seen that old picture. The bloke that put the Charkey Ramon picture on here must have the picture in a magazine. The champs were Tony Mundine Charkey Ramon Paul Ferreri Henry Nissan i cant remember the other one does anyone know ? also is that correct there was only 7 wieght divisions back than ? In recent years we have had a few commonwealth champs most recent one i can think of is Dominic Vea other champs that i can think of in recent years are Adam Watt Kevin Kelly Sam Soliman there the only ones in recent years that i can think of does anyone know any more in recent years? I think today there could be some good match ups made between Ozzy and British fighters Canadian fighters But Ozzy fighters just don't seem to travel to Britain to fight much they go for the regional titles and the British fighters aren't going to come here and fight. The ones that have the commonwealth titles are probably with the big promoters like allegedly. So I don't think any promoter in Australia would prepared to pay the money to get a British fighter out here to fight. The reason being there is not enough interest because most people in Australia don't know who the British fighters are. There for there would no interest in the fights which is funny because Ive spent some time over there people in Britain know who the Ozzy fighters are or maybe the people i spoke to were die hard boxing fans

Posted: **11 Jan 2011, 09:54**

I can confirm that the Commonwealth titles are regarded as lower than British Titles in the current scheme of things. Take the example of the last Brit I can remember to win a Commonwealth Title - Liam Walsh who defeated Maxwell Awuku on 23rd of October last year. He is Commonwealth title holder in the Super Featherweight division but only ranked 4th in the UK on the boxrec rankings. It seems to me that these Commonwealth titles are often vacated by the current champion and thus promoters in the UK are often able to arrange a Commonwealth title shot for their fighters against an African opponent with what on paper looks a reasonable record, however when they get in the ring these Africans often fail to impress.

In fact here is a list of the current UK Commonwealth Champions along with their UK boxrec rankings:

Heavyweight - Derek Chisora, ranked No 2 in UK
Light Heavyweight - Tony Bellew, ranked No 2 in UK
Super Middleweight - George Groves, ranked No 4 in UK
Middleweight - Martin Murray, ranked No 4 in UK
Light Middleweight - Craig Watson, ranked No 6 in UK
Welterweight - Denton Vassel, ranked No 8 in UK
Lightweight - Lee McAllister, ranked No 7 in UK
Super Featherweight - Liam Walsh, ranked No 4 in UK
Featherweight - Stephen Smith, ranked No 3 in UK
Super Bantamweight - Jamie Arthur, ranked No 4 in UK
Bantamweight - Jamie McDonnell, ranked No 2 in UK
Super Flyweight - Lee Haskins, not ranked as has not fought since Dec 2009
Flyweight - Chris Edwards, ranked No 2 in UK

Posted: **11 Jan 2011, 16:20**

There you go pretty much all the champs today are British so like I said before it's now a British title

Posted: **11 Jan 2011, 23:50**

Da Voice wrote:Both Tua & Cameron have use by date clearly stamped on their forehead. Who the fark would wanna see either of them in 'world' title fight??

Interesting that following his drawn fight with Tua Monte Barrett has put his retirement on hold. He has a 10 rounder against Charles Davis on the Chauncy Welliver/ Hector Ferreyro card on the 22nd of this month.

Posted: **12 Jan 2011, 00:02**

davidk59 wrote:Also the only reason that Derrick Chisora is getting all the attention is because the Klitschos know he is still wet behind the ears with a handful of fights and ready for the taking.
If I were Chisora's people I would get him at least another eight fights and let the Klitschos get a little older .
David Haye has definitely got the right idea.

Did Chisora get the fight because he beat Danny Williams, conqueror of Mike Tyson?

Posted: **13 Jan 2011, 00:14**

bollox wrote:Empire (Commonwealth) ratings December 7th 1972

that answers my question the Ozzy commonwealth champs were middle weight Tony Mundine light middle charkey Ramon feather weight Boby Duane bantam weight Paul Farreri fly weight Henry Nissan and there was 10 weight divisions that was pretty good going for Ozzy boxing hey do you have that picture of them fighters standing together?

Posted: **13 Jan 2011, 01:37**

Unfortunately I don't have the photo. But here's a few more scans from Fighter mag of days gone by. I found 3 old Fighter mags at a market here in Melbourne a few years ago. Couldn't believe it when I saw them

May get a few more of the articles scanned a bit later

Posted: **13 Jan 2011, 11:22**

Brute wrote:
davidk59 wrote:Also the only reason that Derrick Chisora is getting all the attention is because the Klitschos know he is still wet behind the ears with a handful of fights and ready for the taking.
If I were Chisora's people I would get him at least another eight fights and let the Klitschos get a little older .
David Haye has definitely got the right idea.

Did Chisora get the fight because he beat Danny Williams, conqueror of Mike Tyson?

Tyson getting knock out by Danny Williams what a sad day Williams wouldn't lasted one round with him in tysons prime

Posted: **13 Jan 2011, 15:36**

Thanks for posting the magazine scans.

Some names there I hadn't thought about for a long time.

I'd love to see a "Where are they now" feature on the Aussie fighters of the 70's.

Posted: **21 Jan 2011, 14:17**

davidk59 wrote:It's harder to get a Commonwealth belt ,because who wants to travel that far for it.
You could get a legitimate World title in our own backyard look at Manny Pacman got the title in Thailand , Fenech and a few others as well got titles in our own region .
It would be the same airfare to fight for a legitimate World title as it would be to fight for the Commonwealth belt.

Nice to say you fought for a world title but better surely to say you WON a Commonwealth title?

I see your point, and if you're a Fenech or a Pacquiao, then great, by all means go for a world title ahead of a regional. But someone like Dominic Vea, with all respect, is never going to be a world champion, so it's better that he's won what is, regardless of its current position, one of the most historic championships in boxing.

Posted: **21 Jan 2011, 14:19**

davidk59 wrote:I don't agree with that,because in the Heavyweight division the last thing a fighter looses is his punch.

True, only it seems Tua HAS lost that. If he can't get Barrett - skilled but well known as vulnerable - out of there inside the distance, then I'm afraid the power looks to be gone.

Posted: **21 Jan 2011, 14:20**

Mark pawsey wrote:
Brute wrote:
davidk59 wrote:Also the only reason that Derrick Chisora is getting all the attention is because the Klitschos know he is still wet behind the ears with a handful of fights and ready for the taking.
If I were Chisora's people I would get him at least another eight fights and let the Klitschos get a little older .
David Haye has definitely got the right idea.

Did Chisora get the fight because he beat Danny Williams, conqueror of Mike Tyson?
Tyson getting knock out by Danny Williams what a sad day Williams wouldn't lasted one round with him in tysons prime

Indeed. Even Williams himself said as much!

Posted: **21 Jan 2011, 15:07**

Dominic Vea might be happy with a Commonwealth title or the OPBF title for that matter because he might not believe he can go further.That's still a good achievement ,but I am talking in general the boxers here don't need it.The boxers over there don't need it, look at David Haye arguably the best boxer in England didn't even bother with this historical championship of boxing as you put it and David Haye lives there so why should we travel half way round the world to get it.
Now if David Tua was such a soft touch then why don't the Klitschos or David Haye want to be the first to knock him out to prove they could do something that big girl Lennox Lewis couldn't do.

Posted: **21 Jan 2011, 15:50**

davidk59 wrote: Now if David Tua was such a soft touch then why don't the Klitschos or David Haye want to be the first to knock him out to prove they could do something that big girl Lennox Lewis couldn't do.

Your haemmeroids playing up again David?

Posted: **21 Jan 2011, 16:33**

Why ,because I'm up so early in the morning .No it's a beautiful day and I'm going to take the kids for a swim :

Posted: **21 Jan 2011, 20:49**

davidk59 wrote:Why ,because I'm up so early in the morning .No it's a beautiful day and I'm going to take the kids for a swim :

Good man.

Have a great day.

Posted: **22 Jan 2011, 14:08**

davidk59 wrote:Dominic Vea might be happy with a Commonwealth title or the OPBF title for that matter because he might not believe he can go further.That's still a good achievement ,but I am talking in general the boxers here don't need it.The boxers over there don't need it, look at David Haye arguably the best boxer in England didn't even bother with this historical championship of boxing as you put it and David Haye lives there so why should we travel half way round the world to get it.
Now if David Tua was such a soft touch then why don't the Klitschos or David Haye want to be the first to knock him out to prove they could do something that big girl Lennox Lewis couldn't do.

Well, look at Belta's list of current Commonwealth champs above. There are no Hayes or Fenechs in that list. Guys like that are groomed for bigger things from the start and sidestepping regional belts is not uncommon with such boxers.

But tell me there aren't some good UK/Aus matches that could be made even without them being world-beaters?

Chisora-Leapai? Vea-Afolabi/Norton? Murray-Wood/Mundine?

As for Tua, you're aware that this is 2011, not 2000, right? And if Lenox is a "big girl" for not stopping Tua, then what is Tua for not stopping Monte Barrett??

Posted: **22 Jan 2011, 17:32**

There is some good matchups that could be made but if you look on you tube there is an interview with Noel Thornberry,. Alex Leapai's manager.They tryed to call Chisora's people and Chisora's people didn't even have the decency to get back to them . So like I said why bother.
Now with David Tua, he is not the champion so if he trained the house down and he KOed Monte Barrett in the first round what would have been his chances of Haye or the Klitchko's giving him a shot.
Lennox Lewis was the champion ,was fit, but didn't even have a go at a green David Tua.

Posted: **22 Jan 2011, 18:32**

davidk59 wrote:There is some good matchups that could be made but if you look on you tube there is an interview with Noel Thornberry,. Alex Leapai's manager.They tryed to call Chisora's people and Chisora's people didn't even have the decency to get back to them . So like I said why bother.
Now with David Tua, he is not the champion so if he trained the house down and he KOed Monte Barrett in the first round what would have been his chances of Haye or the Klitchko's giving him a shot.
Lennox Lewis was the champion ,was fit, but didn't even have a go at a green David Tua.

I'm not a big fan of Lennox Lewis; I think he is vastly over-rated with some lads in the Brit forum talking about him as a top 3 heavyweight of all time etc etc etc.

However, he boxed the ears off Tua who was considered a serious challenge going into the fight. David didn't win a round. Sure, you can say Lewis didn't knock him out, but that's more a testimony to Tua's chin cos he certainly took some stick that day.

Posted: **22 Jan 2011, 19:24**

bollox wrote:Unfortunately I don't have the photo. But here's a few more scans from Fighter mag of days gone by. I found 3 old Fighter mags at a market here in Melbourne a few years ago. Couldn't believe it when I saw them May get a few more of the articles scanned a bit later

None of the Empire Heavyweight Champions would fight George Chuvalo. I saw an interview with George where he claimed to have asked Henry Cooper's promoter when he would meet Henry for the title, only to be told that Henry did not even wish to meet George socially. Would have been interesting to see if Henry could knock George down. Nobody George fought could.

Posted: **22 Jan 2011, 20:41**

Collins2000 wrote:
davidk59 wrote:There is some good matchups that could be made but if you look on you tube there is an interview with Noel Thornberry,. Alex Leapai's manager.They tryed to call Chisora's people and Chisora's people didn't even have the decency to get back to them . So like I said why bother.
Now with David Tua, he is not the champion so if he trained the house down and he KOed Monte Barrett in the first round what would have been his chances of Haye or the Klitchko's giving him a shot.
Lennox Lewis was the champion ,was fit, but didn't even have a go at a green David Tua.
I'm not a big fan of Lennox Lewis; I think he is vastly over-rated with some lads in the Brit forum talking about him as a top 3 heavyweight of all time etc etc etc.

However, he boxed the ears off Tua who was considered a serious challenge going into the fight. David didn't win a round. Sure, you can say Lewis didn't knock him out, but that's more a testimony to Tua's chin cos he certainly took some stick that day.

Posted: **22 Jan 2011, 20:47**

As I said Tua was green he didn't jab his way into a position where could land his bombs and Lewis played it safe because he is slow with no defence .

Posted: **22 Jan 2011, 22:10**

davidk59 wrote:As I said Tua was green he didn't jab his way into a position where could land his bombs and Lewis played it safe because he is slow with no defence .

Green?

A skill level below Lewis, I'd accept as the reason he didn't win a round. But green?

Crikey, mate. He was coming up for his 10th year as a pro and had been in the ring with the likes of Ruiz, Izon, Maskaev, Ibeabuchi & Rahman.

Green?

Posted: **22 Jan 2011, 23:09**

Tua wasn't Green, he was just a poor mans Frazier. Still, Tua had some unbelievable power.

Lewis top 3 alltime, now thats what you call nationalism

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