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bennie wrote:Well, everyone knows who you are.

Nice to be remembered

Depends on what you're remembered for.

bennie wrote:Depends on what you're remembered for.

All nice things I hope

snoopy wrote:

bennie wrote:Depends on what you're remembered for.

All nice things I hope

:P :P :P

REAL_DEAL wrote:

snoopy wrote:

bennie wrote:Depends on what you're remembered for.

All nice things I hope

:P :P :P

Lugh wrote:Here is an unfashionable view - FW and SN ARE unfairly treated.

Because they cornered the market (and don't forget broke the British Boxing Cartel) and dare I say it breathed new life into a sport in decline.

Nowadays it seems as if it's de rigeur to pan FW.

By all means support the up and coming Promoters - but please don't expect FW to do so!! He (literally) went for the blood, sweat and tears route and helped to bring boxing back into the country's perception.

He didn't get where he is by ignoring perceived threats and not responding to challenges.

I am not excusing some of the recent tame matching of the top boys.

I've taken this view in the past, and as a businessman have nothing but respect for him, but I am quite honestly amazed at his heavy-handed reaction to criticism on the net. Given how sharp he is, surely he realises he could handle it in such a manner as to turn a negative situation into a positive situation?
I've mentioned this on another forum, but whoever is doing his PR isn't advising him well, as the potential repurcussions of being perceived as Goliath attacking David (particularly when the 'David' embodies paying fans who attend his shows) are far more damaging than the views expressed on the forum that are only seen by a small number of people, even if they have been libellous on occasion.
If the likes of Snoopy spent the same amount of time as they currently do checking out the forums, but instead approached it all in a positive wayand posted constructive responses to fans, it could end up being a win/win situation as fans would respect the fact the promoter and his advisors are willing to acknowledge them and enter into dialogue - you only have to look at the reaction once David Haye started posting on ESB.
For example, if there was a thread running where FW was being slammed for Calzaghe's opposition, instead of taking the aloof attitude of "These anoraks don't have a clue what's really happening and don't understand the business", one of the Sports Network boys actually posted and said something along the lines of "Realise the fans are unhappy as they want to see Joe in with the likes of Hopkins, but trust us, we are in negotiations at the top level and we're just having to play a delicate game at the moment so nothing can be explained publicly", I'm sure this would go a long way towards defusing criticism.
I'm sure most posters would be the first to admit there are elements of the sport that they aren't privvy to, particularly in terms of the business aspect, but virtually all of us are open-minded enough to listen if somebody is willing to communicate with us.
The problem at the moment is that FW's approach implies he has nothing but contempt for the very fanbase that has allowed him to get where he is today, which is utterly disappointing.

Deserter wrote:

Lugh wrote:Here is an unfashionable view - FW and SN ARE unfairly treated.

Because they cornered the market (and don't forget broke the British Boxing Cartel) and dare I say it breathed new life into a sport in decline.

Nowadays it seems as if it's de rigeur to pan FW.

By all means support the up and coming Promoters - but please don't expect FW to do so!! He (literally) went for the blood, sweat and tears route and helped to bring boxing back into the country's perception.

He didn't get where he is by ignoring perceived threats and not responding to challenges.

I am not excusing some of the recent tame matching of the top boys.

I've taken this view in the past, and as a businessman have nothing but respect for him, but I am quite honestly amazed at his heavy-handed reaction to criticism on the net. Given how sharp he is, surely he realises he could handle it in such a manner as to turn a negative situation into a positive situation?
I've mentioned this on another forum, but whoever is doing his PR isn't advising him well, as the potential repurcussions of being perceived as Goliath attacking David (particularly when the 'David' embodies paying fans who attend his shows) are far more damaging than the views expressed on the forum that are only seen by a small number of people, even if they have been libellous on occasion.
If the likes of Snoopy spent the same amount of time as they currently do checking out the forums, but instead approached it all in a positive wayand posted constructive responses to fans, it could end up being a win/win situation as fans would respect the fact the promoter and his advisors are willing to acknowledge them and enter into dialogue - you only have to look at the reaction once David Haye started posting on ESB.
For example, if there was a thread running where FW was being slammed for Calzaghe's opposition, instead of taking the aloof attitude of "These anoraks don't have a clue what's really happening and don't understand the business", one of the Sports Network boys actually posted and said something along the lines of "Realise the fans are unhappy as they want to see Joe in with the likes of Hopkins, but trust us, we are in negotiations at the top level and we're just having to play a delicate game at the moment so nothing can be explained publicly", I'm sure this would go a long way towards defusing criticism.
I'm sure most posters would be the first to admit there are elements of the sport that they aren't privvy to, particularly in terms of the business aspect, but virtually all of us are open-minded enough to listen if somebody is willing to communicate with us.
The problem at the moment is that FW's approach implies he has nothing but contempt for the very fanbase that has allowed him to get where he is today, which is utterly disappointing.

Agreed.

For me this is where it gets confusing.

What ARE they hoping to achieve by ignoring/antagonising the "Internet Anoraks"?


(Incedentally when referring to the "anoraks" I am pretty certain he is talking about Everyone else - not me obviously.)