Re: From Hagler to now!!!!!
Posted: 02 Feb 2013, 17:38
SaadOffTheDeck wrote:I think Chavez is more overrated than Sanchez, people act like Julio never lost at all. If he retired before Whitaker beat him I'd laugh at him being rated in the top 10 of all time. And I've never heard a single sole mentioning him losing to Willy Wise as an issue.
If you're saying that if Roy retired after tarver 1 he'd be rated higher, I absolutely agree. But I don't think that he'd be rated appropriately. I can't see anything past the the Johnson fight being held against him.
How is Ali the exception as opposed to the rule? Do you really see all time ratings talking about Robinson/Jones, Leonard/Camacho, Duran/Lawler, Holyfield/Donald, Louis/Marciano, etc....
If so, you deal with a bizarre crowd. As for Morales, his late comeback enhanced his legacy as far as I'm concerned. He produced another epic fight with Maidana, anyone who doesn't rate good losses; isn't properly rating fighters.
I think Sam Langford is the greatest fighter in history and I believe he lost a series to Wills 18-2. So asking me about checking loss totals is barking up the wrong tree.
Saad is right. Ezzard Charles had an awful late career run but no-one (rightfully) ranks his losses post-Marciano against him. Ditto with Robinson in the 60s.
I don't think Chavez is under-rated b/c of his late losses, I think people rate that he never beat a fellow great at his best, got a questionable call vs Taylor, and a complete gift vs Whitaker.