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Re: Kevin mitchell to retire?

Posted: 21 Feb 2011, 20:23
by bigped
goldenears wrote:if the above figures are true, the fact he only got £60k to top the bill at Upton Park is much more shocking than getting £30k to fight on the undercard of someone elses World Title fight and have a European Title Shot.

DeGale probably got paid more for the fight at West Ham.... mad.
Thats what i was thinking? he was the main event at upton park and had always been a good ticket seller, paul appelby was gettin 70k for a british title fight in a sell out kings hall in ireland so u think top of bill at upton park wud have got him at least 100k.

Re: Kevin mitchell to retire?

Posted: 21 Feb 2011, 20:32
by Scottrf
Well the money for that event had to be split a lot of ways, there were about a dozen fights. Katsidis probably got the biggest share, the heavies were probably on decent money, Degale too.

In fact just read the purse bid was $515,000 for Mitchell-Katsidis, 80/20 in Katsidis' favour, £65k for Mitchell.

Re: Kevin mitchell to retire?

Posted: 22 Feb 2011, 03:50
by mickey1975
People are overestimating again what a fighter earns.$100,000+ to challenge at home for a title is very good money.A lot of world champions fight for a lot less all over the world.The overheads on that show will have been huge and i guess FW will have lost money.The plan for both would have been for Kev to win and then they could both cash in.Unfortunately,Kev couldnt keep his side of the bargain.Also,isnt the purse split better than 80-20?

Re: Kevin mitchell to retire?

Posted: 22 Feb 2011, 05:09
by lurkyshaka
Warren is looking to throw Mitchell to the lions here....

Coming off the Katsidis loss, no way should he be stepping straight back in with a fighter of the calibre of John Murray. But if thats whats expected then he should be getting a decent payday, since another loss could genuinely finish him.

Don't see why Mitchell can't have 2-3 undercard fights against decent but beatable opposition to earn himself some corn and to ease his way back, before looking at a major fight.

Re: Kevin mitchell to retire?

Posted: 22 Feb 2011, 05:51
by ArtOfWar
At the end of the day Fwank got Mitchell a home draw in front of a big crowd and Mitchell got blown out. It's obvious that his pay will be less for this fight.

You can say that he's being thrown to the wolves, but he has been babied for most of his career, so it's about time he stepped up. The Murray fight is a good one that would put him right back into play if he wins.

Re: Kevin mitchell to retire?

Posted: 22 Feb 2011, 07:16
by Newport Daz
simon fox wrote:
lefty wrote:
G0mez wrote:What sums are on offer ?

Must be really paltry, but then again he blew his big night and Warren was probably rightfully p****** off with that.

From a selfish point of view, I just wanna see the fight !
Well they reckon he got 60k for the katsidis fight and that reckon fw is offering about half of that for this fight
So £30,000; after management, trainers, camp fees, taxes he'd walk off with maybe £17,000. I always imagined that high level boxing was better paid.
Obviously every boxer is different, in Nigel Benn's book he said that the actual cash in his hand after everything was deducted including tax was usually a third of the purse. So by that Mitchell would see about 10k for a fight he would be underdog in. He obviously finds that risk : reward ratio unacceptable from being out so long. I suppose he's worried that his purses would drop again if he lost to Murray. Benn mentions in his book that was the tough part after losing to Eubank.

Re: Kevin mitchell to retire?

Posted: 22 Feb 2011, 07:21
by Chambers2
Mitchell is reaping what he sew

You can't turn up half fit for the BIGGEST fight of your life and expect to get a patt on the back from the gaffa.

I'd like to thank Kevin for winning me a fortune on the Katsidis fight though

Re: Kevin mitchell to retire?

Posted: 22 Feb 2011, 07:22
by yiddo14
All this 'he didn't prepare properly' stuff is not really relevant. Mitchell on his greatest ever night would get stopped by Katsidis.

Anyone know how much he got paid for that fight?

I think Mitchell doesn't fancy the Murray fight and after such a lay off and convincing defeat against the Oz, I can't really blame him. He should look to have a couple of warm up fights to ease him back into it.

Always a chance Mitchell tasted a bit of glamour and a good payday against Katsidis and has thus elevated his standing in his own mind.

Re: Kevin mitchell to retire?

Posted: 22 Feb 2011, 07:25
by Chambers2
yiddo14 wrote:All this 'he didn't prepare properly' stuff is not really relevant. Mitchell on his greatest ever night would get stopped by Katsidis.

Anyone know how much he got paid for that fight?

I think Mitchell doesn't fancy the Murray fight and after such a lay off and convincing defeat against the Oz, I can't really blame him. He should look to have a couple of warm up fights to ease him back into it.

Always a chance Mitchell tasted a bit of glamour and a good payday against Katsidis and has thus elevated his standing in his own mind.
It was Mitchell who was asking for the fight now, he just doesn't like the £££'s on offer.

If you lose your previous fight surely it has an impact on your pulling power for the next fight

Re: Kevin mitchell to retire?

Posted: 22 Feb 2011, 07:30
by yiddo14
Chambers2 wrote:
yiddo14 wrote:All this 'he didn't prepare properly' stuff is not really relevant. Mitchell on his greatest ever night would get stopped by Katsidis.

Anyone know how much he got paid for that fight?

I think Mitchell doesn't fancy the Murray fight and after such a lay off and convincing defeat against the Oz, I can't really blame him. He should look to have a couple of warm up fights to ease him back into it.

Always a chance Mitchell tasted a bit of glamour and a good payday against Katsidis and has thus elevated his standing in his own mind.
It was Mitchell who was asking for the fight now, he just doesn't like the £££'s on offer.

If you lose your previous fight surely it has an impact on your pulling power for the next fight
It does, without question, especially if you get blasted out in your first foray into the top level. He no longer has the '0' and has shown he can't mix it with the top level fighters.

Re: Kevin mitchell to retire?

Posted: 22 Feb 2011, 08:26
by fasteddie
can'n mitchell just buy himself out of the contract or have another promotor doe this?

Re: Kevin mitchell to retire?

Posted: 22 Feb 2011, 08:35
by jtourettes
simon fox wrote:
lefty wrote:
G0mez wrote:What sums are on offer ?

Must be really paltry, but then again he blew his big night and Warren was probably rightfully p****** off with that.

From a selfish point of view, I just wanna see the fight !
Well they reckon he got 60k for the katsidis fight and that reckon fw is offering about half of that for this fight
So £30,000; after management, trainers, camp fees, taxes he'd walk off with maybe £17,000. I always imagined that high level boxing was better paid.
When (if?) Mitchell ever boxes at a high level I'm sure the remuneration will be far greater.

Re: Kevin mitchell to retire?

Posted: 22 Feb 2011, 09:16
by wrimc
jtourettes wrote:
simon fox wrote:
lefty wrote: Well they reckon he got 60k for the katsidis fight and that reckon fw is offering about half of that for this fight
So £30,000; after management, trainers, camp fees, taxes he'd walk off with maybe £17,000. I always imagined that high level boxing was better paid.
When (if?) Mitchell ever boxes at a high level I'm sure the remuneration will be far greater.

Exactly the pay at this level pushing for world titles is not going to be great. If he has aspirations for world titles he has to take this fight at some point or other and the money is never going to be amazing. If he wants to bank some money stay at British or Euro level and defend in front of a big London crowd regularly. Paul Smith certainly did alright defending his Brit belt in the Echo.

If he wants world title fights eliminator money is going to be so so but if he wins a world title and defends the title he will be looking at some major paydays

Re: Kevin mitchell to retire?

Posted: 22 Feb 2011, 09:38
by THEBUTCH
Looks a case of "in with the new, out with old". Mitchell's been very loyal to Warren, who will put Mitchell in the bin if he loses to Murray.

Re: Kevin mitchell to retire?

Posted: 22 Feb 2011, 09:44
by Roars Like Me
Has this got anything to do with the fact that he was crushed in his last fight?
In the same vein that Naz lost his invinicibility maybe Mitchell has, he must be pretty insecure after Kastidis?

He needs to get back in there for 2 reasons, to win and thus make sure his last fight poster was not his last :oo

Hello Ducky, call the 0898 boys :lol:
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Re: Kevin mitchell to retire?

Posted: 22 Feb 2011, 09:47
by McCannW14
Dioufy wrote:Mitchell's coming across as a tosser.
Warren did a tremendous job for Mitchell. Got him a proper world title shot and terrific paydays without Mitchell being world class.

Re: Kevin mitchell to retire?

Posted: 22 Feb 2011, 09:49
by Dioufy
McCannW14 wrote:
Dioufy wrote:Mitchell's coming across as a tosser.
Warren did a tremendous job for Mitchell. Got him a proper world title shot and terrific paydays without Mitchell being world class.
It's clear it's about the money with Mitchell. I don't know what he expects after Kat smashed him up. He's lucky to get the chance, and if he believes he can win, then what's the problem? Mitchell would take the fight with a Katisidis-like purse, but he won't if it's reduced. To me, that don't sit right.

Re: Kevin mitchell to retire?

Posted: 22 Feb 2011, 09:55
by Counter-puncher
^^^ agree, dioufy

Re: Kevin mitchell to retire?

Posted: 22 Feb 2011, 10:03
by Dioufy
Did I also read right that Mitchell was the favourite over Murray. If so, then...

:oo

Re: Kevin mitchell to retire?

Posted: 22 Feb 2011, 10:05
by Counter-puncher
apparently not in his own eyes......

Re: Kevin mitchell to retire?

Posted: 22 Feb 2011, 10:08
by fasteddie
Dioufy wrote:
McCannW14 wrote:
Dioufy wrote:Mitchell's coming across as a tosser.
Warren did a tremendous job for Mitchell. Got him a proper world title shot and terrific paydays without Mitchell being world class.
It's clear it's about the money with Mitchell. I don't know what he expects after Kat smashed him up. He's lucky to get the chance, and if he believes he can win, then what's the problem? Mitchell would take the fight with a Katisidis-like purse, but he won't if it's reduced. To me, that don't sit right.
if this is right then he doesnt deserve to have more money than an undefeated champion like murray

Re: Kevin mitchell to retire?

Posted: 22 Feb 2011, 13:59
by boxbet
Murray is happy to take this fight and he is the champion, to be the best you have to fight the best, the way back for Mitchel is to win this title and then challenge for a world title again somewhere down the line. Money at this level is not huge but it sounds like a huge fight in Mitchels eyes, which for us, we know it is. My advice to mitchel is yes haggle, but get training really hard now and be ready for another of the biggest fights of your life. Murray will bring it hard for the full 12 so make sure you can too. you have the ability, just make sure you bring it. if you lose there will be the British title and that will be your way back too.

Re: Kevin mitchell to retire?

Posted: 22 Feb 2011, 14:18
by boxbet
Mitchel v Crolla who would win. would you lean towards crolla?

Re: Kevin mitchell to retire?

Posted: 22 Feb 2011, 14:19
by Adamj1987
sky says he rejected the purse so not FW fault

Re: Kevin mitchell to retire?

Posted: 22 Feb 2011, 14:35
by stujones
Adamj1987 wrote:sky says he rejected the purse so not FW fault
Is it clear how much the purse is? People do have family to feed etc.