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Gans vs McGovern. Shame.

lock the thread bitches :!:


Leonard v duran I :!: mofo should of never tried to fight him :!: just because he slit his throat at the presser infront of his wife 8) 8) 8) 8) 8) damn i feel smug

hurlock wrote:hatton v pacquio :!:

What else was Hatton going to do? He was the bigger man and a lot of people thought he would be able to physically overpower Pacqiuao in close. Hatton was never a skilled boxer, so I don't really see too many other options for him in that fight.

Herol Graham's strategy against Julian Jackson was beserk. Whilst he was pummeling an almost blind Jackson every man and his doig watching the fight was thinking to themselves...."this guy's a killer. it only takes one to land and you're going in too hard and ignoring your defence" (even the commentators mentioned something along these lines). Not long thereafter the bomb landed and Herol was sleeping like a baby

Come to think of it his strategy against Mike McCallum wasn't too flash either. He kept farting around and I think he lost a point for doing something stoopid, which probably cost him the fight

Whatever Hearns' strategy was, it was never going to work. Hagler already decided what was going to happen. No man or god could have changed that

mattsplat wrote:Whatever Hearns' strategy was, it was never going to work. Hagler already decided what was going to happen. No man or god could have changed that

So fighters can just "decide" the outcome of a bout? Care to expound on why Hagler didn't decide to KO Leonard?

Are you also suggesting that Marvin Hagler is more powerful than God?

crusader wrote:

mattsplat wrote:Whatever Hearns' strategy was, it was never going to work. Hagler already decided what was going to happen. No man or god could have changed that

So fighters can just "decide" the outcome of a bout? Care to expound on why Hagler didn't decide to KO Leonard?

Are you also suggesting that Marvin Hagler is more powerful than God?

I said god not God haha. What i mean is Haglers will to win was far stronger than Hearns', and Tommy wanted to win badly! I dont think Hearns could have done anything to change what Hagler was going to do. He tried to brawl, tried to box, tried to get on his bike but nothing helped

^^ i think 'chin' had an awful lot more to do with it than 'will to win' or somesuch

not got enough time to read the whole thread. how about manny steward pleading with andries to close strong in the first fight with jeff harding?

as it turned out, andries tired, harding closed strong and stopped the brit WBC champ. andries was apparently soundly ahead on points.

watching the fight (their first of 3 wildly exciting encounters), though, i had it pretty close. but steward's strategy did seem to put andries - quite abit older than his challenger - in harm's way. helped set up a great trilogy, though.

crusader wrote:

hurlock wrote:hatton v pacquio :!:

What else was Hatton going to do? He was the bigger man and a lot of people thought he would be able to physically overpower Pacqiuao in close. Hatton was never a skilled boxer, so I don't really see too many other options for him in that fight.

pacquio was stronger :!: you got it wrong :!: i believed in roach saying with in 3 8) 8)

Tex Cob vs Holmes. Trying to make Holmes retire on his stool from broken hands was the wrong stratgey. It didnt work for Briggs in his last outing either.

Also Grant vs Lewis. Trying to bomb out Lewis in one round was a poor choice. Lewis could brawl very well when forced

Hagler-Leonard
Hagler-Antuofermo
Hagler-Duran


Hagler has pulled some pretty glaring strategy boners in his day.

Knucklez wrote:Gans vs McGovern. Shame.

If you mean the strategy to throw the fight then yes, that was a terrible strategy.

Joe Louis strategy against Marciano was all qrong for him, he tried to come forward and meet "The Rock" head on and he got KO'd.

Joe Louis jabbed most of the way against Marciano...

Mike Tyson vs Peter McNeely.

McNeely charges across the ring and attempts to go toe to toe with Mike. He is promptly floored and stopped shortly after.

Post prison Tyson or not, that is suicide.


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1) FOREMAN -v- Ali - How dumb was Big George? He must have realised after 3 rounds that trying to KO Ali with one big punch was not going to work?

2) BENN -v- Watson - Excellent tactics by Watson, but again, Benn was just relentlessly stupid in that fight. His lack of a plan B really cost him that night.

3) HEARNS -v- Hagler - Trying to KO, with one punch, one of the hardest men ever to get into a boxing ring is just crazy. Forget all Manny Stewards laughable nonsense about leg massages; Tommy blew it with silly tactics, plain & simple.

4) HAGLER -v- Leonard - Was more worried about his ego than winning the fight. Allowed Leonard to steal early rounds, shake off his ring rust & gain confidence.

5) HAYE -v- Thompson - The youthful arrogance of Haye was really on display in this fight & Thompson made him pay big style.

6) FRAZIER -v- Foreman (1) - Did Joe really believe that boring in relentlessly against the much bigger, stronger & more powerful Big George would bring him success?

7) LEWIS -v- McCall (1) - Lennox was so reckless at this stage of his career. He'd managed to get away with being Right hand happy up until that point; but his time he was in with, arguably, the best chinned fighter of all time & to employ that kind of tactic against such a fighter was just crazy from Lewis.

Syntax Error wrote:6) FRAZIER -v- Foreman (1) - Did Joe really believe that boring in relentlessly against the much bigger, stronger & more powerful Big George would bring him success?

Frazier was the undefeated heavyweight champion of the world and he had won all his fights boring in relentlessly. What was he supposed to do, move and box like Ali? Frazier fought the only way he could and the only fighter he could not beat that way was Foreman. No other strategy Joe could employ would have worked any better against big George.

hhaehre wrote:

Syntax Error wrote:6) FRAZIER -v- Foreman (1) - Did Joe really believe that boring in relentlessly against the much bigger, stronger & more powerful Big George would bring him success?

Frazier was the undefeated heavyweight champion of the world and he had won all his fights boring in relentlessly. What was he supposed to do, move and box like Ali? Frazier fought the only way he could and the only fighter he could not beat that way was Foreman. No other strategy Joe could employ would have worked any better against big George.

Fair point, I can see what you're saying.

What made me cite that example was the rematch between the 2 of them.

Whilst the result was the same, Joe was much more cagey & cautious, but by 1976, he was shot to pieces, so he ended up getting blown out anyway.

He might have enjoyed much more success had he employed those tactics in 1973, when he was in his pomp & Big George was raw & largely untested.

Syntax Error wrote:

hhaehre wrote:

Syntax Error wrote:6) FRAZIER -v- Foreman (1) - Did Joe really believe that boring in relentlessly against the much bigger, stronger & more powerful Big George would bring him success?

Frazier was the undefeated heavyweight champion of the world and he had won all his fights boring in relentlessly. What was he supposed to do, move and box like Ali? Frazier fought the only way he could and the only fighter he could not beat that way was Foreman. No other strategy Joe could employ would have worked any better against big George.

Fair point, I can see what you're saying.

What made me cite that example was the rematch between the 2 of them.

Whilst the result was the same, Joe was much more cagey & cautious, but by 1976, he was shot to pieces, so he ended up getting blown out anyway.

He might have enjoyed much more success had he employed those tactics in 1973, when he was in his pomp & Big George was raw & largely untested.

Well, I'm of the opinion that Frazier actually lookd worse in the second fight. It was sad to see Joe so out of character, trying to move and be cautious but still getting methodically beaten up. The only reason Joe lasted longer the second time was the more meassured approach Foreman had adopted after Zaire.

Delahoya inexplicably giving up on his effective jabbing against Mayweather. When asked after the match why he did that, he said 'I dunno."

It was because he was sick of being hit with right hand counters. Oscar's jab was never a factor in that fight.