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kingfinn wrote:

danfoster wrote:God there is so much bollocks talked on here ...

says the man who doesnt back his opinion.

The lad has beaten whoever has been put in front of him, most of them convincingly.

Who do you think is more frustrated that he isn't getting the fights? You or him?

When has he shown a lack of bollocks?

He's been WBO number one mandatory for ages and now all the talk is Degale, Cleverly, Gavin, etc. If I had anything to do with the lad, I'd be incredibly frustrated. I'm not saying that he should be fighting Pacquiao, of course, but come on...the status must be worth something.

Further, from what I understand of the chap's history, he can lose a bit of focus when he hasn't got something to aim for. Worst case scenario now is that he gets a big fight and he's gone stale.

And where is the evidence that he CAN'T punch? By the fact he's stopped 12 of his last 13 opponents?

Matthew Hatton - fair play to the lad - has 'stepped up to the mark' because his brother's promotional company have done an absolutely fantastic job in getting him good fights.

If any blame can be levelled at Brook, in my opinion, it's not doing whatever is necessary in order to get his career moving.

I just dont think he's all that Ian and I think tellingly FW thinks the same.

Your right - he may benefit from going with someone else.

I just don't get the hulaballo about Brook, I thought he was poor against a clearly on the slide Michael Jennings.

Hope I'm wrong.

Ian 'Mr' McNeilly wrote:

kingfinn wrote:

danfoster wrote:God there is so much bollocks talked on here ...

says the man who doesnt back his opinion.

The lad has beaten whoever has been put in front of him, most of them convincingly.

Who do you think is more frustrated that he isn't getting the fights? You or him?

When has he shown a lack of bollocks?

He's been WBO number one mandatory for ages and now all the talk is Degale, Cleverly, Gavin, etc. If I had anything to do with the lad, I'd be incredibly frustrated. I'm not saying that he should be fighting Pacquiao, of course, but come on...the status must be worth something.

Further, from what I understand of the chap's history, he can lose a bit of focus when he hasn't got something to aim for. Worst case scenario now is that he gets a big fight and he's gone stale.

And where is the evidence that he CAN'T punch? By the fact he's stopped 12 of his last 13 opponents?

Matthew Hatton - fair play to the lad - has 'stepped up to the mark' because his brother's promotional company have done an absolutely fantastic job in getting him good fights.

If any blame can be levelled at Brook, in my opinion, it's not doing whatever is necessary in order to get his career moving.

X2 Brook is getting way too much stick on here when there are few options available because of PAc

Ian 'Mr' McNeilly wrote:

kingfinn wrote:

danfoster wrote:God there is so much bollocks talked on here ...

says the man who doesnt back his opinion.

The lad has beaten whoever has been put in front of him, most of them convincingly.

Who do you think is more frustrated that he isn't getting the fights? You or him?

When has he shown a lack of bollocks?

He's been WBO number one mandatory for ages and now all the talk is Degale, Cleverly, Gavin, etc. If I had anything to do with the lad, I'd be incredibly frustrated. I'm not saying that he should be fighting Pacquiao, of course, but come on...the status must be worth something.

Further, from what I understand of the chap's history, he can lose a bit of focus when he hasn't got something to aim for. Worst case scenario now is that he gets a big fight and he's gone stale.

And where is the evidence that he CAN'T punch? By the fact he's stopped 12 of his last 13 opponents?

Matthew Hatton - fair play to the lad - has 'stepped up to the mark' because his brother's promotional company have done an absolutely fantastic job in getting him good fights.

If any blame can be levelled at Brook, in my opinion, it's not doing whatever is necessary in order to get his career moving.

If allegedly believes in the fighter he gets them the fights, if he doesnt he keeps their careers going on for years making steady money before cashing in on a big fight. Mitchell springs to mind the guy had how many fights before being given a challenge and then got his arse handed to him.

Im not convinced brook is a big puncher because its not hard to ko a guy who is ranked 463rd in the world, when you are ranked number 2 by one sanctioning body and about 10th in the world overall in your weight class. Im not saying he cant punch im saying he hasnt show any evidence that he can ko european or above level fighters. Any of the guys he's beaten by ko have been stopped by other fighters anytime they've moved up a level.
Lomax - stopped by gavin
Bienias - stopped by witter
Elwell - stopped by senchenko
McIntyre - chinny .
Jones - ko'd by the light fisted craig watson and ko'd by cook.

The fact is anyone of a decent level is stopping these guys.

Your right brook has been the wbo number 1 challenger for ages and done absolutely sod all with his position. All thats happening is he'll sit there waiting for pac to give up the belt, then we'll have some joke matchup for the title a big money fight or 2 after that with hand picked opponents.

There are some proper fights out there for him and he doesnt want them plain and simple. Degale wants fights - degale gets them.

You look at that top 20 welter weight list and tell me warren cant make a matchup with any of them?

AND now its pacs fault!?

The only tiime warren and brook have be vocal about getting a top level fight was about khan, knowing full well khan is looking to unify the division not fight a non belt holder at a catch weight.

Champion: Matthew Hatton
Challenger: Luciano Bundu

1. Rafal Jackievicz
2. Selcuk Aydin
3. Daniele Petrucci
4. Jackson Osei Bonsu
5. Yuri Nuzhnenko
6. Kell Brook
7. Gianluca Branco
8. Valery Brazhnik
9. Michael Jennings
10. Luciano Abis


Brook is only ranked 6th by the EBU. He has not even shown he is European class yet.

Why not have him fight one of the European fighters ranked above him if he can't get a world title opportunity?

Heard Warren has offered Cotto and Bundrage fight with Brook. Bundrage said to be quite keen on the idea.


Not really that reliable a source though : http://www.jusnews.co.uk/tag/kell-brook/

kingfinn wrote:

Ian 'Mr' McNeilly wrote:

kingfinn wrote: says the man who doesnt back his opinion.

The lad has beaten whoever has been put in front of him, most of them convincingly.

Who do you think is more frustrated that he isn't getting the fights? You or him?

When has he shown a lack of bollocks?

He's been WBO number one mandatory for ages and now all the talk is Degale, Cleverly, Gavin, etc. If I had anything to do with the lad, I'd be incredibly frustrated. I'm not saying that he should be fighting Pacquiao, of course, but come on...the status must be worth something.

Further, from what I understand of the chap's history, he can lose a bit of focus when he hasn't got something to aim for. Worst case scenario now is that he gets a big fight and he's gone stale.

And where is the evidence that he CAN'T punch? By the fact he's stopped 12 of his last 13 opponents?

Matthew Hatton - fair play to the lad - has 'stepped up to the mark' because his brother's promotional company have done an absolutely fantastic job in getting him good fights.

If any blame can be levelled at Brook, in my opinion, it's not doing whatever is necessary in order to get his career moving.

If allegedly believes in the fighter he gets them the fights, if he doesnt he keeps their careers going on for years making steady money before cashing in on a big fight. Mitchell springs to mind the guy had how many fights before being given a challenge and then got his arse handed to him.

Im not convinced brook is a big puncher because its not hard to ko a guy who is ranked 463rd in the world, when you are ranked number 2 by one sanctioning body and about 10th in the world overall in your weight class. Im not saying he cant punch im saying he hasnt show any evidence that he can ko european or above level fighters. Any of the guys he's beaten by ko have been stopped by other fighters anytime they've moved up a level.
Lomax - stopped by gavin
Bienias - stopped by witter
Elwell - stopped by senchenko
McIntyre - chinny .
Jones - ko'd by the light fisted craig watson and ko'd by cook.

The fact is anyone of a decent level is stopping these guys.

Your right brook has been the wbo number 1 challenger for ages and done absolutely sod all with his position. All thats happening is he'll sit there waiting for pac to give up the belt, then we'll have some joke matchup for the title a big money fight or 2 after that with hand picked opponents.

There are some proper fights out there for him and he doesnt want them plain and simple. Degale wants fights - degale gets them.

You look at that top 20 welter weight list and tell me warren cant make a matchup with any of them?

AND now its pacs fault!?

The only tiime warren and brook have be vocal about getting a top level fight was about khan, knowing full well khan is looking to unify the division not fight a non belt holder at a catch weight.

Who the F*CK said anything about it being Pac's fault? Even Camcas didn't mean it that way. And the reason he 'he hasnt show any evidence that he can ko european or above level fighters' is because his promoter hasn't yet got him a fight with one!

When the lad fights someone good and gets his arse handed to him, then you have free reign to slate him. At the moment you're slagging him because, seemingly, he hasn't beaten anyone who is decent. What I'm saying is that I don't think that is his fault...and according to you, it isn't either, it's his promoter who (again, according to you) has no faith in him. If the latter is correct, then Brook should do one asap. Do you agree?

And stop being so selective. 'Bienias - KO'd by Witter'. What you don't say is that nobody else managed to do so, did they? Not that he fought anyone really. And Witter was a f*cking world champion who could bang. And when did McIntyre become 'chinny'? Just because you get beat early a couple of times doesn't make you chinny. I was ringside when he took quite a few from a peak David Barnes and he went 12 rounds twice with Kevin Anderson. Lomax got stopped by Gavin in a great boxing display which is no disgrace and no one else has stopped him either.