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Old Fred wrote:

Goodnight, Irene wrote:

SaadOffTheDeck wrote:I'd squeeze Duran in there between Emile & Chavez.

Did Duran make the century? Wasn't sure off the top of my head.

Chavez probably was the last elite one, yes.

Wouldn't you class Roberto as elite then?

By, "last," I mean most recent. Chavez is more recent than Duran.

Scottrf wrote:

Ezzard wrote:Monzon had 99 fights...

Na, he had 100. 1 no contest.

Some people count NC's, some don't. Not me, personally.

Goodnight, Irene wrote:

Scottrf wrote:

Ezzard wrote:Monzon had 99 fights...

Na, he had 100. 1 no contest.

Some people count NC's, some don't. Not me, personally.

Why not? They still took place. Otherwise a lot of the boxers in the early 20th century barely had a fight.

Scottrf wrote:Why not? They still took place. Otherwise a lot of the boxers in the early 20th century barely had a fight.

Modern sources may record them as "no contest" fights but they were actually "no decision" fights, which is entirely different than what is now considered a "no contest" fight.

The Great John L wrote:

Scottrf wrote:Why not? They still took place. Otherwise a lot of the boxers in the early 20th century barely had a fight.

Modern sources may record them as "no contest" fights but they were actually "no decision" fights, which is entirely different than what is now considered a "no contest" fight.

Fair point, and I suppose a big enough distinction in that one was fought to completion without a decisive winner, and the other had to end in an unsatisfactory way or the result was overturned. But they both still happened. Don't suppose it makes much difference either way.

I have to agree with Scott here. If they got in the ring, the fight happened.

SaadOffTheDeck wrote:I have to agree with Scott here. If they got in the ring, the fight happened.

Agreed. I was merely pointing out the significant difference between modern fights that are ruled "no contest", versus those past fights that appear in boxrec as NC but were actually just fights where a decision was not officially given.

For some reason the UK is producing a lot of 100+ fighters.

Currently (I think) still active with over 100 fights are:
Karl Taylor, Kristian Laight, Jason Nesbitt, Carl Allen, Daniel Thorpe, Anthony Hanna, Delroy Spencer, Billy Smith. Probably a couple more I can't think of. Matt Scriven must be pretty close to a century too.

A few who have only recently hung up the gloves (well, I don't think they are still active) are:
Peter Buckley (300+), Tony Booth, Ojay Abrahams and the late Ernie Smith.

I wonder who the last brothers were before Billy and Ernie Smith to have 100+ fights?

Obviously Reggie Strickland was not elite, but had a ton of fights.

Old Fred wrote:Peter Buckley had 300 i believe.

Correct, and Karl Taylor has had around 160 fights.

Not elite level, but still got to be half decent to have that many fights and have your faculties.

I think Winston Burnett had around 100-105 fights, too.

bengulnaci1 wrote:

Old Fred wrote:Peter Buckley had 300 i believe.

Correct, and Karl Taylor has had around 160 fights.

Not elite level, but still got to be half decent to have that many fights and have your faculties.

I think Winston Burnett had around 100-105 fights, too.

Winston Burnett reached 99 fights when the BBBoC took away his licence for (I think) a detached retina. He then went to the States and had another 20 odd fights over there.

Scottrf wrote:

Goodnight, Irene wrote:

Scottrf wrote: Na, he had 100. 1 no contest.

Some people count NC's, some don't. Not me, personally.

Why not? They still took place. Otherwise a lot of the boxers in the early 20th century barely had a fight.

Let's say you have a Soccer match. The match is scheduled, the two teams take the pitch, kick-off occurs without incident. Then, during the course of play, particularly violent lightning begins to come down, striking the pitch in several areas. The match is called off, with no result rendered.

Did it happen?

Thought someone might bring a football analogy. Football needs a definite result, boxing doesn't, and a reschedule isn't guaranteed in the same way. No contests where someone wins but fails a drugs test for example, I think should be recorded. The fight did happen, just a definitive result wasn't reached.

I'm not too bothered either way really, I just consider it more complete.

Judging on current rate of activity I am tempted to say both Julio Cesar Chavez Jr who has alredy had 44 fights in his career by the time he is 25 and Saul Alavrez who already had 37 fights by the time 20.

Scottrf wrote:Thought someone might bring a football analogy. Football needs a definite result, boxing doesn't, and a reschedule isn't guaranteed in the same way. No contests where someone wins but fails a drugs test for example, I think should be recorded. The fight did happen, just a definitive result wasn't reached.

I'm not too bothered either way really, I just consider it more complete.

All sports need a definite result.

As has been pointed out, many elite fighters don't come anywhere close to 100 fights anymore. Really most have not for a long time. Financially it's not worth it.

You pretty much have to do 2 things to reach that many fights anymore:
1. Fight a few club fighters each year even during your prime.
2. Fight well past your own prime; usually into their 40s.

However, there have been a few elite fighters in modern times who have done this and reached 100 fights or at least pretty close.

Most elite fighters (once they have reached their prime) don't bother fighting many club fighters and many retire well before their 40s.

Ambling Alp wrote:As has been pointed out, many elite fighters don't come anywhere close to 100 fights anymore. Really most have not for a long time. Financially it's not worth it.

You pretty much have to do 2 things to reach that many fights anymore:
1. Fight a few club fighters each year even during your prime.
2. Fight well past your own prime; usually into their 40s.

However, there have been a few elite fighters in modern times who have done this and reached 100 fights or at least pretty close.

Most elite fighters (once they have reached their prime) don't bother fighting many club fighters and many retire well before their 40s.

How old was Chavez when he made the century? I think he was only around 30?

He was 34; which is still pretty young to have 100 fights. He fought a lot good fighters, and a lot of club fighters as well.

Ambling Alp wrote:He was 34; which is still pretty young to have 100 fights. He fought a lot good fighters, and a lot of club fighters as well.

Chavez turned pro at about 15-16 if my memory serves me correctly.

Im almost certain his opening bout was in 1980, which wouldve made him either 18 or turning 18.

Goodnight, Irene wrote:Im almost certain his opening bout was in 1980, which wouldve made him either 18 or turning 18.

Correct, he turned pro at 17 with 5 months to go before adulthood.

Buck Smith had over 200 fights and ended his career in 2009 against BoxRec forum poster Damon Reed.

Buck had an amazing career. He lost his first pro fight, but kept on going and ended up fighting Chavez. He fought all the way from Welter to Cruiser. A true throw back.