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Pascal, Taylor, Dirrel, Kessler, Abraham, Johnson and Ward.

All back to back. Seriously, Joe Calzaghe should be ashamed. What fuc*ing balls Froch has shown in his career.

If a Degale fight comes off it'll likely be after Froch has either begun to wane or has finally been chinned. Even then it's not likely.

I thought Froch's lack of speed was noticable against Kessler, thats what lost him that fight.

I'm amazed that some are taking this seriously in the present tense... just a couple of random points:

1) Beating Paul Smith does not catapult you into proven world-class, no matter what your potential

2) Speed does not always win you the fight in world-class - if that was the case Howard Davis would have had a career to match Sugar Ray Leonard's....

On a more realistic note, ironically I can seeing this play out much like Calzaghe and Froch i.e. Degale getting a move on and calling out Carl in the next year or so, but Carl being focused on the 'marquee' fights with half an eye already on getting out of the game...

I think Froch is close to retirment... Maybe next year will be the time for him to go?

I guess that leaves a maximum of 4 fights left.

So he will beat Johnson (hopefully)
Then the final against Ward
I'd like to see a rematch against Kessler.
And maybe top it off with a unifcation vcitory over Bute.

Froch will then be an all-time great.

i think at this stage of degale's career froch would be too wise for him,froch is a tough tough man if he gets you he will knock you out

charlieb wrote:Pascal, Taylor, Dirrel, Kessler, Abraham, Johnson and Ward.

All back to back. Seriously, Joe Calzaghe should be ashamed. What fuc*ing balls Froch has shown in his career.

If a Degale fight comes off it'll likely be after Froch has either begun to wane or has finally been chinned. Even then it's not likely.

Should Joe be ashamed really? Or should Froch's fans just be happy with the fights he has been involved in? Joe did beat Kessler remember,and Hopkins who was controversially held by Pascal.Taylor was sparked by AA who in turn was played with by Dirrell who according to most on here,is crap! He has yet to box Johnson and Ward!

G0mez wrote:

boxbet wrote:Froch has more chance of beating Cleverly than Degale I think. no substitute for hand speed.

Yeah, I'd give Froch an extremely slim chance against either man.

Both of those killers are streets ahead of the garbage Froch has been fighting lately.

DD classic!

Froch would eat the pair of them for breakfast

mickey1975 wrote:

charlieb wrote:Pascal, Taylor, Dirrel, Kessler, Abraham, Johnson and Ward.

All back to back. Seriously, Joe Calzaghe should be ashamed. What fuc*ing balls Froch has shown in his career.

If a Degale fight comes off it'll likely be after Froch has either begun to wane or has finally been chinned. Even then it's not likely.

Should Joe be ashamed really? Or should Froch's fans just be happy with the fights he has been involved in? Joe did beat Kessler remember,and Hopkins who was controversially held by Pascal.Taylor was sparked by AA who in turn was played with by Dirrell who according to most on here,is crap! He has yet to box Johnson and Ward!

Yeah Froch should be ashamed shouldn't he.

boxbet wrote:the one thing i think is lacking from Froch's game is hand speed, He's strong and hits hard but speed wins fights at the very top, not sure if he can create more speed now, but that is his weak point and sumthing he needs to work on.

Timing, experience and angles can defeat sheer speed. We've all seen boxers who are like lightening bottled who come a cropper when they box someone who knows the craft. Froch lives the life and DeGale has more than enough to worry about next month with Groves. The last time I read an experts poll that was so overwhelming (Boxing Monthly; DeGale v Groves) was Tyson v Holyfield. 2 experts from 31 pick Groves; it was a similar thing with Tyson. The fact that fans are looking past the Groves bout and (apparently) James has knocked back a World Title opportunity does speak of (over)confidence. George has been hit and boxed crap and still won through; we don't know and are only imagining what James will do when the chips are down.

Degale shouldn't go anywhere near Froch. Froch is hard as nails and would hurt Degale IMO.

jameswilson wrote:

mickey1975 wrote:

charlieb wrote:Pascal, Taylor, Dirrel, Kessler, Abraham, Johnson and Ward.

All back to back. Seriously, Joe Calzaghe should be ashamed. What fuc*ing balls Froch has shown in his career.

If a Degale fight comes off it'll likely be after Froch has either begun to wane or has finally been chinned. Even then it's not likely.

Should Joe be ashamed really? Or should Froch's fans just be happy with the fights he has been involved in? Joe did beat Kessler remember,and Hopkins who was controversially held by Pascal.Taylor was sparked by AA who in turn was played with by Dirrell who according to most on here,is crap! He has yet to box Johnson and Ward!

Yeah Froch should be ashamed shouldn't he.

No,not at all.He should be proud but his fans should learn they dont have to criticize Calzaghe everytime they praise Froch.It happens on here all the time.

charlieb wrote:Pascal, Taylor, Dirrel, Kessler, Abraham, Johnson and Ward.

All back to back. Seriously, Joe Calzaghe should be ashamed. What fuc*ing balls Froch has shown in his career.

If a Degale fight comes off it'll likely be after Froch has either begun to wane or has finally been chinned. Even then it's not likely.

Yeah Joe should be ashamed of his unbeaten carreer beating Kessler jones hopkins and a prime lacy. What a bum

to be fair, Johnson at this point in his career is a better fighter than Jones is. IMO thats a given. Frochs CV from Pascal and on is IMO better than Calzaghe from Lacy to Jones, more quality fighters in there with him, even if he lost to Kessler.

froch would destroy degale and cleverly in the same night at this stage of their careers

Wow i cant believe this is even being debated......!

MatthewS wrote:to be fair, Johnson at this point in his career is a better fighter than Jones is. IMO thats a given. Frochs CV from Pascal and on is IMO better than Calzaghe from Lacy to Jones, more quality fighters in there with him, even if he lost to Kessler.

This.

I would put my house on Froch in a Kessler rematch too and hope we get to see it at some point.

yiddo14 wrote:

MatthewS wrote:to be fair, Johnson at this point in his career is a better fighter than Jones is. IMO thats a given. Frochs CV from Pascal and on is IMO better than Calzaghe from Lacy to Jones, more quality fighters in there with him, even if he lost to Kessler.

This.

I would put my house on Froch in a Kessler rematch too and hope we get to see it at some point.

I can see the winner of the Super 6 fighting the winner of Bute v Kessler thats being mooted for the autumn. So if Froch can overcome Johnson and the Ward v Abraham winner and Kessler do a job on Bute then we could see the rematch.

It may have to take place on neutral territory again tho, I doubt Sauerland will want to do Froch any favours and Froch I would assume will flat refuse Denmark again.

jameswilson wrote:

yiddo14 wrote:

MatthewS wrote:to be fair, Johnson at this point in his career is a better fighter than Jones is. IMO thats a given. Frochs CV from Pascal and on is IMO better than Calzaghe from Lacy to Jones, more quality fighters in there with him, even if he lost to Kessler.

This.

I would put my house on Froch in a Kessler rematch too and hope we get to see it at some point.

I can see the winner of the Super 6 fighting the winner of Bute v Kessler thats being mooted for the autumn. So if Froch can overcome Johnson and the Ward v Abraham winner and Kessler do a job on Bute then we could see the rematch.

It may have to take place on neutral territory again tho, I doubt Sauerland will want to do Froch any favours and Froch I would assume will flat refuse Denmark again.

Why would he flat refuse Denmark? There is only him who thought he won. Ward will emerge the last man standing after beating Bute in my opinion.

Man vs Boy IMO!

What the hell happened to Froch against Kessler? I thought he was doing a great job of making Kessler miss and countering well for the first 4 or 5 rounds, and then Kessler just seemed to take over and edge the last 7 or 8 rounds without really dominating any of them, even when they were going toe-to-toe.

Obviously there are a lot of unknowns about Degale, but initial impressions suggest his work rate and defence are superior to Froch's (when he was at a similar stage of his career)

mickey1975 wrote:

jameswilson wrote:

yiddo14 wrote: This.

I would put my house on Froch in a Kessler rematch too and hope we get to see it at some point.

I can see the winner of the Super 6 fighting the winner of Bute v Kessler thats being mooted for the autumn. So if Froch can overcome Johnson and the Ward v Abraham winner and Kessler do a job on Bute then we could see the rematch.

It may have to take place on neutral territory again tho, I doubt Sauerland will want to do Froch any favours and Froch I would assume will flat refuse Denmark again.

Why would he flat refuse Denmark? There is only him who thought he won. Ward will emerge the last man standing after beating Bute in my opinion.

It seems clear to me he will never fight in a Sauerland fighters home territory or fight a Sauerland fighter in Germany given how vehemently he refused to fight Abraham in Germany.

jameswilson wrote:

mickey1975 wrote:

jameswilson wrote: I can see the winner of the Super 6 fighting the winner of Bute v Kessler thats being mooted for the autumn. So if Froch can overcome Johnson and the Ward v Abraham winner and Kessler do a job on Bute then we could see the rematch.

It may have to take place on neutral territory again tho, I doubt Sauerland will want to do Froch any favours and Froch I would assume will flat refuse Denmark again.

Why would he flat refuse Denmark? There is only him who thought he won. Ward will emerge the last man standing after beating Bute in my opinion.

It seems clear to me he will never fight in a Sauerland fighters home territory or fight a Sauerland fighter in Germany given how vehemently he refused to fight Abraham in Germany.

Yes,i agree.But it does not seem to be based on anything.The Dirrell fight was by far the most controversial of the whole series yet he expects people to come to Nottingham.

a little birdie told me cleverly boxed degales head off for every round they sparred on one of the 5 days !

jessi wrote:a little birdie told me cleverly boxed degales head off for every round they sparred on one of the 5 days !

DeGale is a SM though, and Clev was likely Cruiser when they sparred I bet. Then again DeGale struggles at the weight don't he.