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Ezzard wrote:Nah... Holmes came from real poverty. He wasn't a middle class kid born into the sport. If he was mean and nasty that's because he was from that side of the tracks.

He also had the ba11s to back it up when he needed to.

Diamond WEAPON wrote:Holmes is an overrated douchebag. He makes Floyd Mayweather look like fuckin Ghandi and Foreman would've fucked him up badly. Tyson gave that bitch the KO that he always deserved.

Diamond WEAPON wrote:

Ezzard wrote:Nah... Holmes came from real poverty. He wasn't a middle class kid born into the sport. If he was mean and nasty that's because he was from that side of the tracks.

He also had the ba11s to back it up when he needed to.

Yeah, I went a little overboard with the last post. I disagree with his nastiness coming from being from the 'hood though, plenty of far nicer and more humble folks come from worse origins (Frazier, Hearns). His mean streak I think was mostly inspired by not getting enough credit during his prime years for how good he was, but he carried that chip on his shoulder with him into his later years and up to today as well, it's irritating that he feels like he has to denigrate every other fighter who ever existed to increase his own standing.

Syntax Error wrote:Even in the immediate aftermath of being pulverised by Tyson, he was saying something about Tyson has no-one in his life & will be in prison within 5 years.

Goodnight, Irene wrote:

keithmoonhangover wrote:

Goodnight, Irene wrote: So from laughing yourself stupid (as though that ship hasnt sailed), youre down to asking for what happened? Guess whos laughing now? A word of advice? Never believe one word from Larry Holmes' mouth.

Why?

Because he is literally encased in his own bitterness, that is why. He lies, half-truths, & bullsh!ts his way through story after story. He's a liar. Hell, the man made his empire in Real Estate...how much stock are you gonna put in his word?

simon fox wrote:

Goodnight, Irene wrote:

keithmoonhangover wrote: Why?

Because he is literally encased in his own bitterness, that is why. He lies, half-truths, & bullsh!ts his way through story after story. He's a liar. Hell, the man made his empire in Real Estate...how much stock are you gonna put in his word?

The man earned his money as a sparring partner and later as an excellent World Champ. He invested his money in property in his home town. He still works every day, over seeing things. Holmes didn't have it easy, did not get the best of starts and made a success of himself and of his life. If he is bitter; well; to be honest there are millions of bitter people around. You don't seem to like Holmes so you choose to disbelieve whatever he says.

A Holmes v Foreman bout would have been fantastic bit would have done both a lot of physical damage.

simon fox wrote:Thank you Mr Keith :)

keithmoonhangover wrote:

simon fox wrote:Thank you Mr Keith :)

You see, manners don't cost anything. Maybe Irene could take note of that.

Syntax Error wrote:

Diamond WEAPON wrote:

Ezzard wrote:Nah... Holmes came from real poverty. He wasn't a middle class kid born into the sport. If he was mean and nasty that's because he was from that side of the tracks.

He also had the ba11s to back it up when he needed to.

Yeah, I went a little overboard with the last post. I disagree with his nastiness coming from being from the 'hood though, plenty of far nicer and more humble folks come from worse origins (Frazier, Hearns). His mean streak I think was mostly inspired by not getting enough credit during his prime years for how good he was, but he carried that chip on his shoulder with him into his later years and up to today as well, it's irritating that he feels like he has to denigrate every other fighter who ever existed to increase his own standing.

Correctly put.

That is also my gripe with Larry Holmes.

I respect his ability & the things he achieved, but he always came across as very bitter to me.

Even in the immediate aftermath of being pulverised by Tyson, he was saying something about Tyson has no-one in his life & will be in prison within 5 years.
OK, that actually turned out to be the case, but we weren't to know that at the time & whatever happened to heaping praise on your conqueror, at least in the immediate aftermath?

I have warmed to Holmes in recent times, especially since I watched the documentary, Muhammad & Larry, as he came across as very amiable & charismatic, but in his younger days, he was a very bitter man.

simon fox wrote:

Goodnight, Irene wrote:

keithmoonhangover wrote: Why?

Because he is literally encased in his own bitterness, that is why. He lies, half-truths, & bullsh!ts his way through story after story. He's a liar. Hell, the man made his empire in Real Estate...how much stock are you gonna put in his word?

The man earned his money as a sparring partner and later as an excellent World Champ. He invested his money in property in his home town. He still works every day, over seeing things. Holmes didn't have it easy, did not get the best of starts and made a success of himself and of his life. If he is bitter; well; to be honest there are millions of bitter people around. You don't seem to like Holmes so you choose to disbelieve whatever he says.

A Holmes v Foreman bout would have been fantastic bit would have done both a lot of physical damage.

simon fox wrote:Thank you Mr Keith :)

keithmoonhangover wrote:

simon fox wrote:Thank you Mr Keith :)

You see, manners don't cost anything. Maybe Irene could take note of that.

dempseyfire wrote:Their first career trajectories never crossed paths so that's really a mute point.

In their 40s, around 1997 or so they actually were serious talks between Holmes-Foreman for a fight for some 'golden oldies' HW belt or some crap, and I think the fight was even announced, but it broke down over money I believe, but I do think Foreman didn't want to risk his image by losing to another 40+ year old fighter.

Rambo wrote:why you skittin at George? Holmes threw his belt in the bin, didnt fancy it, end of story

The Great John L wrote:That sounds about right. Holmes, in addition to any HW remotely close to a ranking, wasn't exactly on George's radar prior to him snagging the big money fight against Holyfield. For that matter there really weren't many risks at all during his second career outside of Evander and MM.

overhand_right wrote:

The Great John L wrote:That sounds about right. Holmes, in addition to any HW remotely close to a ranking, wasn't exactly on George's radar prior to him snagging the big money fight against Holyfield. For that matter there really weren't many risks at all during his second career outside of Evander and MM.

I don't mean to sound rude but could you try get your facts right before insulting fighters? Between Foreman's comeback in 1987 and his fight with Holyfield in April 1991, Larry Holmes was neither active nor a ranked contender. In fact, he only came back about a week prior to Foreman-Holyfield, stopping Tim Doc Anderson. So when during that time frame was Foreman-Holmes EVER a consideration?

For the record, Foreman did indeed sign to fight Holmes in 1999, but the fight fell apart a week or two before due to promotional backing - no fault of George or Larry.