Re: Guess what?
Posted: 20 May 2011, 05:17
such as?keithmoonhangover wrote:If we have learned one thing over the years, it's that late subs can sometimes bring about an upset.
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Re: Guess what?
Posted: 20 May 2011, 05:24
Steve Robinson.apophenic wrote:such as?keithmoonhangover wrote:If we have learned one thing over the years, it's that late subs can sometimes bring about an upset.
Re: Guess what?
Posted: 20 May 2011, 05:29
keithmoonhangover wrote:Steve Robinson.apophenic wrote:such as?keithmoonhangover wrote:If we have learned one thing over the years, it's that late subs can sometimes bring about an upset.
that's the only one i can think of too - any more?
Re: Guess what?
Posted: 20 May 2011, 05:40
No, that's it mate.apophenic wrote:keithmoonhangover wrote:Steve Robinson.apophenic wrote: such as?
that's the only one i can think of too - any more?
Re: Guess what?
Posted: 20 May 2011, 05:50
Ole Gunnar Solskjaerapophenic wrote:keithmoonhangover wrote:Steve Robinson.apophenic wrote: such as?
that's the only one i can think of too - any more?
Re: Guess what?
Posted: 20 May 2011, 05:52
The Dark Destroyer wrote:Why would you prefer Kenny Anderson? The guy Cleverly is now fighting ranked 11th by the WBO, Kenny Anderson is coming up in weight and off a loss to Groves.
No I would not prefer him, it was just banded about that he was ready to step in should Bomber not make the weight.
Re: Guess what?
Posted: 20 May 2011, 05:56
I know the goalposts have moved somewhat since Joe's reign and Enzo's run but can anyone else see Cleverly being taken down a similar path?bengulnaci1 wrote:Champ JUERGEN BRAEHMER GER
Interim NATHAN CLEVERLY GB
1 Dmitry Sukhotsky (Int-Cont) RUS
2 Braimah Kamoho (WBO Africa) GHA
3 Soulan Pownceby (Asia-Pacific) USA
4 Eduard Gutknecht GER
5 Marcus Vinicius de Oliveira (Latino) BRA
6 Tomas Kovacs (WBO Europe) SOL
7 Zsolt Erdei HUN
8 Kariz Kariuki (Oriental) KEN
9 Chad Dawson NZ
10 Karo Murat GER
11 Aleksy Kuziemski POL
12 Isaac Chilemba MAL
13 Denis Simcic SLO
14 Tony Bellew GB
15 Viacheslav Uzelkov UKR
Maybe not Chad Dawson, but just look at these ratings.
2 KO's in 20 fights, so he ain't coming to KO Nathan. 2 losses by KO, against the 2 best opponents he has faced. All others on his record are non descript, so the likelyhood that he can outbox Nathan is even more remote.
The Polish guy is cannon fodder. End of.
I know there has been loose chat about the likes of Hopkins-Pascal, Dawson etc but I can't ever see Nathan being good enough to give such fighters much trouble. I hope I'm wrong but I can see a longish reign of WBO mandatories coming over the next couple of years.
Re: Guess what?
Posted: 20 May 2011, 05:59
But what does that mean? If a boxer this poor is ranked 11, isn't that a reflection on how appalling the WBO have been with rankings and champions since their inception in 1989?The Dark Destroyer wrote: The guy Cleverly is now fighting ranked 11th by the WBO.
It's a long crime sheet against the WBO, and using their rankings to validate a fighter's worth is highly dubious.
Re: Guess what?
Posted: 20 May 2011, 06:07
Guess what? Sol Pownceby is a kiwi, maybe there nationalities have been switched by mistake?King Geedorah wrote:According to those rankings Chad Dawson lives in New Zealand so there’s a strong chance that he turned it down because he’d have been jet lagged. That or the fact he’s fighting Adrian Diaconu on the same night. Chad Dawson needs to step up. He’s robbed us of a bonanza.bengulnaci1 wrote:Champ JUERGEN BRAEHMER GER
Interim NATHAN CLEVERLY GB
1 Dmitry Sukhotsky (Int-Cont) RUS
2 Braimah Kamoho (WBO Africa) GHA
3 Soulan Pownceby (Asia-Pacific) USA
4 Eduard Gutknecht GER
5 Marcus Vinicius de Oliveira (Latino) BRA
6 Tomas Kovacs (WBO Europe) SOL
7 Zsolt Erdei HUN
8 Kariz Kariuki (Oriental) KEN
9 Chad Dawson NZ
10 Karo Murat GER
11 Aleksy Kuziemski POL
12 Isaac Chilemba MAL
13 Denis Simcic SLO
14 Tony Bellew GB
15 Viacheslav Uzelkov UKR
Maybe not Chad Dawson, but just look at these ratings.
2 KO's in 20 fights, so he ain't coming to KO Nathan. 2 losses by KO, against the 2 best opponents he has faced. All others on his record are non descript, so the likelyhood that he can outbox Nathan is even more remote.
The Polish guy is cannon fodder. End of.
Re: Guess what?
Posted: 20 May 2011, 06:12
I think at least four of them are fictional.
Re: Guess what?
Posted: 20 May 2011, 06:13
K.G There names aren't similar,There not even close - now that's serious 
Re: Guess what?
Posted: 20 May 2011, 06:18
The right thing IMO would be a too schedule the whole bill a month or so down the line, see if Braehmer's cut has healed, see if Bellew can make weight.... offering refunds on Sky Box Office and Ticket owners.The Dark Destroyer wrote:It means what it means, he is deemed the 11th best boxer in the world by the WBO. You can criticise the WBO for their past, and present rankings but at the end of the day this is a last minute fight. Didn't Cleverly have to fight a fighter ranked in the top 15 of their rankings in order for it to be a title fight? You can say this person, or another would be a better opponent for the fight but what did you really expect given the time constraints? He is a better choice than Kenny Anderson though.loaded_gloves wrote:But what does that mean? If a boxer this poor is ranked 11, isn't that a reflection on how appalling the WBO have been with rankings and champions since their inception in 1989?The Dark Destroyer wrote: The guy Cleverly is now fighting ranked 11th by the WBO.
It's a long crime sheet against the WBO, and using their rankings to validate a fighter's worth is highly dubious.
Re: Guess what?
Posted: 20 May 2011, 06:30
You'd like to think so wouldn't you, considering Sols fought nobody of note and has infact now moved up to cruiser.King Geedorah wrote:Prob both in the wrong place an' allyid14 wrote:K.G There names aren't similar,There not even close - now that's serious
Re: Guess what?
Posted: 20 May 2011, 07:34
Great, so a body that deemed clubfighter Damon Reed the number 1 heavyweight in the world (I won't bother going into all those Eubank and Maccarinelli defences) thinks this guy is number 11.The Dark Destroyer wrote:It means what it means, he is deemed the 11th best boxer in the world by the WBO.
That's good enough for me then!
Re: Guess what?
Posted: 20 May 2011, 07:36
jesus mate don't shoot the fricken messenger eh? the dude's just saying, is all......loaded_gloves wrote:Great, so a body that deemed clubfighter Damon Reed the number 1 heavyweight in the world (I won't bother going into all those Eubank and Maccarinelli defences) thinks this guy is number 11.The Dark Destroyer wrote:It means what it means, he is deemed the 11th best boxer in the world by the WBO.
That's good enough for me then!
out of interest who the feck do youthink was available and better on 48 hours notice?
Re: Guess what?
Posted: 20 May 2011, 07:46
Teddy?Counter-puncher wrote:jesus mate don't shoot the fricken messenger eh? the dude's just saying, is all......loaded_gloves wrote:Great, so a body that deemed clubfighter Damon Reed the number 1 heavyweight in the world (I won't bother going into all those Eubank and Maccarinelli defences) thinks this guy is number 11.The Dark Destroyer wrote:It means what it means, he is deemed the 11th best boxer in the world by the WBO.
That's good enough for me then!
out of interest who the feck do youthink was available and better on 48 hours notice?
Re: Guess what?
Posted: 20 May 2011, 07:47
superted, teddy roosevelt, or teddy07 formerly of this parish?
Re: Guess what?
Posted: 20 May 2011, 07:50
The man now known as Toupee. He'd be game.
Re: Guess what?
Posted: 20 May 2011, 07:53
fvck, i'd forgotten about him. yeah.jBacca wrote:The man now known as Toupee. He'd be game.
Re: Guess what?
Posted: 20 May 2011, 07:58
Counter-puncher wrote:jesus mate don't shoot the fricken messenger eh? the dude's just saying, is all......loaded_gloves wrote:Great, so a body that deemed clubfighter Damon Reed the number 1 heavyweight in the world (I won't bother going into all those Eubank and Maccarinelli defences) thinks this guy is number 11.The Dark Destroyer wrote:It means what it means, he is deemed the 11th best boxer in the world by the WBO.
That's good enough for me then!
out of interest who the feck do youthink was available and better on 48 hours notice?
Re: Guess what?
Posted: 20 May 2011, 08:19
Allan Green, Zoltan Erdei, Bryon Mitchell and Edison Miranda all have 175 pound fights scheduled in America.keithmoonhangover wrote::TU:Counter-puncher wrote:jesus mate don't shoot the fricken messenger eh? the dude's just saying, is all......loaded_gloves wrote: Great, so a body that deemed clubfighter Damon Reed the number 1 heavyweight in the world (I won't bother going into all those Eubank and Maccarinelli defences) thinks this guy is number 11.
That's good enough for me then!
out of interest who the feck do youthink was available and better on 48 hours notice?
But it had to be a WBO ranked fighter to legitimise the belt presented to Nathan.
Re: Guess what?
Posted: 20 May 2011, 08:54
El thicko, I'll explain.DIRT SUGAR wrote:He's the bloody reserve... what do you expect, Tavoris Cloud? Spanner!bengulnaci1 wrote:So you tell me, is this guy a test? Can he win this fight?
Tavoris Cloud? Chad Dawson? Nah, of course not. They have a fantastic chance of winning, so would never get within a million miles of here.
A reserve , regardless IS supposed to have some chance of winning, but as per usual on a FW show, that's not the case. Your ok with that? And your ok ppl paying PPV for this shower of shit?
There were better options for a reserve, should things go wrong, I am sure, as there a fair few decent fighters fighting over the weekend. A decent offer, a shot at the belt would probably been enough to entice someone half decent, but this guy fills the usual criteria: cant punch, not much of a boxer, been stopped a few times and has a ranking.
Re: Guess what?
Posted: 20 May 2011, 09:02
you reckon any single one of them would come over on 48 hours?DavidPayne wrote:Allan Green, Zoltan Erdei, Bryon Mitchell and Edison Miranda all have 175 pound fights scheduled in America.keithmoonhangover wrote:Counter-puncher wrote: jesus mate don't shoot the fricken messenger eh? the dude's just saying, is all......
out of interest who the feck do youthink was available and better on 48 hours notice?
But it had to be a WBO ranked fighter to legitimise the belt presented to Nathan.
i don't.
or, you reckon FW would offer enough money to make it worht their while?
i don't.
Re: Guess what?
Posted: 20 May 2011, 09:04
The question made no reference to whether FW would have paid them enough.
Dean Powell stated the Braehmer withdrawal was suggested Tuesday evening, confirmed 9.15am Wednesday morning.
I make that 84 hours ahead of the first bell.
Too close for Stateside fighters admittedly......unless its Vince Phillips.
Dean Powell stated the Braehmer withdrawal was suggested Tuesday evening, confirmed 9.15am Wednesday morning.
I make that 84 hours ahead of the first bell.
Too close for Stateside fighters admittedly......unless its Vince Phillips.
Re: Guess what?
Posted: 20 May 2011, 09:07
yeah but whether or not FW will actually stump up is surely part of the question's actual relevance to the real worldDavidPayne wrote:The question made no reference to whether FW would have paid them enough.
Dean Powell stated the Braehmer withdrawal was suggested Tuesday evening,
I make that 84 hours ahead of the first bell.
we can all play amateur promoter 'oh Alan Green surely if they chucked him 100k he'd turn up with a chance at the WBO'
as for 84 hours instead of 48, well I'm sure the extra 36 hours would be a great help for fighters to lose any extra weight, get transported across the globe, get over jetlag and so on.
that extra 36 hours suddenly makes the timeline completely feasible I can't believe i was so negative about the whole thing.