Poor Sky Card Tonight

[palooka]

Typical Maloney card.

Bit harsh. Since January this year, Maloney has delivered....

McDonnell v Jamoye / Johannesson v Watson
Booth v Arthur / David Price / Tom Dallas
Sykes v Johanneson / Groves v Allotey
Hall v Donnelly / Karl Place
Simpson v Smith / David Price
Webb v Arron / Tom Dallas
McDonnell v Otieno

When you compare that output with Mr Warrens from the same period (on normal sky)
Olubamiwo v McDermott/Gavin v Lomax
Burns v Laryea / James DeGale
Murray v El Ouazghari / BJ Saunders


Maloney may not be delivering household names but his headlines are consistently competitive and, with probably the top 3 british fights of the year to date, consistently entertaining. I'm certainly looking forward to Maloneys Price v McDermott a lot more than I am keen to see Warrens Burns v Cook.

I just find everything about Maloney's shows a bit two bob. Most of the fighters, the supposed 'prospects' and not to mention Gary Logan!

At least FW's fighters are going places. Maloney's stable is poor these days, mainly full of glorified journeymen and prospects that are going nowhere.

Each to their own; I enjoy boxing and particularly enjoy watching 'local' fighters; maybe they are not top world prospects but they box well, fight hard and have pride. Not every show can have the very best against the very best.

IMO a 'prospect' does not necessarily mean a high world ranking. Boxing in Sheffield, Doncaster or Glasgow is not going to have the cachet of a big Vegas show; as a fan of the sport though it is still enjoyable.

Gary Logan does as good a job as anyone as MC + he has developed in confidence and presence; an announcer or MC does not need to be a Buffer clone to do a good job.

[Terrrrry]

Furry muff. Everybody to their own and all that.

[Terrrrry]

I'll take any 50/50 over a 80/20 any day.

Most of the time I would as well. But, saying that, I like to keep track of a boxer throughout their career, and with a lot of Maloney's fighters, they're going nowhere fast and you can't really buy into their respective careers. I like to see good, promising talent on display, even it it means that fights sometimes are a bit lopsided.

Like everyone, I like competitive match-ups. But when they're between two fighters going nowhere fast, I lose a bit of interest.

8/10 Maloney bills that are shown somewhat bore me.

[FtmPress]

Sykes v Johanneson yes you are right this was a matchroom card but both of these are FTM fighters and as dates are short we came to a deal to let Matchroom have the fight for one of their shows this is called working together to help each other out. I read all your comments on here some i agree with and understand your criticism but you all so have to understand what we have to work with, A lot of people in the boxing world do not understand the changes that are going on in the boxing world and unless they come to terms with whats going on and the changes in the game and what the public want they will kill the game as we all know it. I believe our cards are as good as any other TV promoter's I could name at least 4 of our 10 show this year that will be in the running for fight of the year the fight I am sure you know them as well as we do. Yes i do think Mcdonnell vs Hall will be every bit or more exciting as Groves and Degale was if we are being honest this fight was not that great. As i believe Price vs Mcdermott is all so a good fight for the public as was both Fury vs Mcdermott were and bot were on FTM cards.It you believe you know how to improve our shows we are willing to listen to your opinions and see if they can work.

[m1kee50]

Groves-Degale was an ok fight but I think the build-up and the fact that a lot of people were very pleased Groves won - means people thought a lot of the fight, over and above what they would have done had it been two different boxers.

[palooka]

Sykes v Johanneson yes you are right this was a matchroom card but both of these are FTM fighters and as dates are short we came to a deal to let Matchroom have the fight for one of their shows this is called working together to help each other out. I read all your comments on here some i agree with and understand your criticism but you all so have to understand what we have to work with, A lot of people in the boxing world do not understand the changes that are going on in the boxing world and unless they come to terms with whats going on and the changes in the game and what the public want they will kill the game as we all know it. I believe our cards are as good as any other TV promoter's I could name at least 4 of our 10 show this year that will be in the running for fight of the year the fight I am sure you know them as well as we do. Yes i do think Mcdonnell vs Hall will be every bit or more exciting as Groves and Degale was if we are being honest this fight was not that great. As i believe Price vs Mcdermott is all so a good fight for the public as was both Fury vs Mcdermott were and bot were on FTM cards.It you believe you know how to improve our shows we are willing to listen to your opinions and see if they can work.

That can be the only way to progress; I am not up to speed about the challenges facing managers and promoters and TV executives, I can imagine that it is not a hassle free way to make a living. I am a boxing fan though and anything that helps bring decent bouts happen has to be good.

[FtmPress]

Groves-Degale was an ok fight but I think the build-up and the fact that a lot of people were very pleased Groves won - means people thought a lot of the fight, over and above what they would have done had it been two different boxers.

I agree with you here. Webb and Arron was a much better fight and better tv viewing and if they had got the pr that Grove's and Degale got they would be big names after a fight like that . The problem we have now in boxing is we are all searching for the new super star and fighters are fighting for title much quicker and not getting to learn their trade as fighter of pass did.

[FtmPress]

At least FW's fighters are going places. Maloney's stable is poor these days, mainly full of glorified journeymen and prospects that are going nowhere.

Please name these fighters I might have to give them back their contracts back on your say so.And may i ask you whats wrong with Gary Logan please tell us.

[TheCobra]

I generally like Maloney's cards, usually fairly competitive and half-decent undercards. Last night was a poor one though, I recorded it because of Champs League final and watched today, it's very rare I do this but I was fast forwarding through a lot of it as the main fight especially bored me to tears.

I'm never really keen on these Commonwealth title defences against these African guys who whilst tough are never really in with a chance of winning the fight. I just don't think those sorts of fights are what should be headline fights on Saturday fight night, but yeh I appreciate with the Champs League final they were maybe onto a hiding to nothing anyways so I was glad there was at least something on.

[FtmPress]

I generally like Maloney's cards, usually fairly competitive and half-decent undercards. Last night was a poor one though, I recorded it because of Champs League final and watched today, it's very rare I do this but I was fast forwarding through a lot of it as the main fight especially bored me to tears.

I'm never really keen on these Commonwealth title defences against these African guys who whilst tough are never really in with a chance of winning the fight. I just don't think those sorts of fights are what should be headline fights on Saturday fight night, but yeh I appreciate with the Champs League final they were maybe onto a hiding to nothing anyways so I was glad there was at least something on.

I agree with you re African fighters but this is down to the Commonwealth Boxing Board who place then in the ranking and the champion is force into fighting them or get stripped.

[m1kee50]

Personally I like watching a good even fight, the first thing most people on here say is 'who's he fought?'... when a prospect is being touted. They need to learn but are they learning if there is not the risk of defeat? Some of the fights Ive seen from novice pros theyd have learned more in the sparring before than they did in the fight.

These days fighters dont have a national profile except in rare circumstances, look at someone like Froch who has fought better opposition than Haye and Khan, but is relatively unknown.

I remember we had another thread discussing local fighters, and fighters and fans travelling for shows....

People in the local area need to be made aware they have a fighter local to them - some fighters local to me are good at this like Tony Conquest for eg, however I never saw a mention of Colin Lynes for example except a sliver on the sports pages... I know boxers work between fights a lot of them but they should be at the school sports days, or even at their old schools open days, building up a profile -

when a boxer has a local profile its surely easier to sell them to somewhere else - Newcastle vs Sunderland, North vs South London, knowing they will bring fans with them a certain distance...

[m1kee50]

I generally like Maloney's cards, usually fairly competitive and half-decent undercards. Last night was a poor one though, I recorded it because of Champs League final and watched today, it's very rare I do this but I was fast forwarding through a lot of it as the main fight especially bored me to tears.

I'm never really keen on these Commonwealth title defences against these African guys who whilst tough are never really in with a chance of winning the fight. I just don't think those sorts of fights are what should be headline fights on Saturday fight night, but yeh I appreciate with the Champs League final they were maybe onto a hiding to nothing anyways so I was glad there was at least something on.

I agree with you re African fighters but this is down to the Commonwealth Boxing Board who place then in the ranking and the champion is force into fighting them or get stripped.

If the C'wealth belt is getting fcuked around with why dont the promoters make a statement by not fighting for it?

[TheCobra]

Personally I like watching a good even fight, the first thing most people on here say is 'who's he fought?'... when a prospect is being touted. They need to learn but are they learning if there is not the risk of defeat? Some of the fights Ive seen from novice pros theyd have learned more in the sparring before than they did in the fight.

These days fighters dont have a national profile except in rare circumstances, look at someone like Froch who has fought better opposition than Haye and Khan, but is relatively unknown.

I remember we had another thread discussing local fighters, and fighters and fans travelling for shows....

People in the local area need to be made aware they have a fighter local to them - some fighters local to me are good at this like Tony Conquest for eg, however I never saw a mention of Colin Lynes for example except a sliver on the sports pages... I know boxers work between fights a lot of them but they should be at the school sports days, or even at their old schools open days, building up a profile -

when a boxer has a local profile its surely easier to sell them to somewhere else - Newcastle vs Sunderland, North vs South London, knowing they will bring fans with them a certain distance...

Yeh you make some good points there mate, some boxers just seem to make no effort whatsoever to get themselves a profile or a fan base. Look at how Hatton did it, I live in Ashton and he was all over the Tameside Advertiser and Manchester Evening News for years on his way up, ok he had a powerful promoter but he was always working on his own profile behind the scenes picking up fans all the time.

That's what you have to do, get in the local press, do loads of the groundwork and build your name and fanbase from the ground up, it seems like too many boxers these days sign up with a promoter and then think their work is done other than turn up for the fight/press conference.

[palooka]

Personally I like watching a good even fight, the first thing most people on here say is 'who's he fought?'... when a prospect is being touted. They need to learn but are they learning if there is not the risk of defeat? Some of the fights Ive seen from novice pros theyd have learned more in the sparring before than they did in the fight.

These days fighters dont have a national profile except in rare circumstances, look at someone like Froch who has fought better opposition than Haye and Khan, but is relatively unknown.

I remember we had another thread discussing local fighters, and fighters and fans travelling for shows....

People in the local area need to be made aware they have a fighter local to them - some fighters local to me are good at this like Tony Conquest for eg, however I never saw a mention of Colin Lynes for example except a sliver on the sports pages... I know boxers work between fights a lot of them but they should be at the school sports days, or even at their old schools open days, building up a profile -

when a boxer has a local profile its surely easier to sell them to somewhere else - Newcastle vs Sunderland, North vs South London, knowing they will bring fans with them a certain distance...

Yeh you make some good points there mate, some boxers just seem to make no effort whatsoever to get themselves a profile or a fan base. Look at how Hatton did it, I live in Ashton and he was all over the Tameside Advertiser and Manchester Evening News for years on his way up, ok he had a powerful promoter but he was always working on his own profile behind the scenes picking up fans all the time.

That's what you have to do, get in the local press, do loads of the groundwork and build your name and fanbase from the ground up, it seems like too many boxers these days sign up with a promoter and then think their work is done other than turn up for the fight/press conference.

I agree though it helps if the boxer is genuine and likeable; there are some boxers who are excellent at their craft but not very good role models/aspirational figures. Some have nothing very constructive or interesting to say and it would be pretty pointless for them to be in the papers all the time.

I also agree with your point about the boxer leaving all the work to the promoter; if a boxer wants a higher profile/bigger following then they ought to pull at least their own weight with it.

[Terrrrry]

Please name these fighters I might have to give them back their contracts back on your say so.

I feel privileged

And may i ask you whats wrong with Gary Logan please tell us.

Too one-paced and makes too many errors. Also seems to have zero personallity when in the ring.

His use of the term of "fight fans" also grinds me a bit.

Could just be that I'm hard to please, though!

[whiskey]

Fair play to you Frank, you have the courtesy to tap a reply on this forum and take the rough with the smooth.

8)

[alexpaterson]

Terrible matchup for Smedley IMO, Wrights' feints and one two kept Smedley off balance and unsure all night long! He couldn't get set and looked sloppy defensively. There aren't many lightwelters I would favour over Wright domestically!

[whicker]

I agree with you re African fighters but this is down to the Commonwealth Boxing Board who place then in the ranking and the champion is force into fighting them or get stripped.

For real?

The board makes guys like this opponent a mandatory?