Hearns - Duran (1980 at Welterweight)

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Hearns on points for me.

Duran just doesn't beat Hearns IMHO.

Unlike Leonard, Hearns was powerful enough to literally kill you if you drew him into a slugfest, so Duran would not have been able to shake off Hearns' bombs.

[Idisagree]

I favor Duran in this bout not because he is my favorite fighter. This guy was one of the most awesome fighters that ever lived. I rank him in my personal top 5 pound per pound of all-time.

I could understand some people in this forum saying that the great Thomas Hearns would have stopped Duran the same way if the fight was at welterweight. I could understand that. But they forgot that Hearns at any point of his career had the best of chins. Oh, but with Duran, "a light hitting" opponent, he would have a great chin....What a joke.

Second, I don't think if it were that magnificent "Manos de Piedra" of the first Sugar Ray Leonard fight in Montreal, loses to any version of Hearns at ww. How could that be? Duran had one of the best underrated defenses I have seen in a boxer. He could throw you off- balance, giving you angles, and in shape was a complete fighting machine. Probably the height and reach of Hearns will give him problems, but I cannot see Duran being stopped. He had a hell of a chin to go with. So, Leonard and Aaron Pryor had better chins than Duran? I don't think so.

Third, I don't believe that crap of styles makes fights. If you beat the guy one time, that does not mean you will beat him every time or you will beat him all the time. If that is the case, then Esteban De Jesus if not given a rematch to Duran, right now we would be saying that Duran will alway lose to Esteban. If Duran never gave Leonard a rematch, then we say that Duran would have always beat him.

Fourth, if you give Hearns pressure, that's it. Pryor beat Hearns at the amateurs. How? by applying enormous pressure. Oh, now these same people will say " Hearns did not had the punch at the amateur level"...Well, what about when he fought Leonard? Once Leonard gave him pressure, that was it for the Hitman. Oh, Hearns was at 145 lbs and should have come at 147. Now, at middleweight, the great Marvin Hagler and the overachieving Iran Barkley gave Hearns pressure, and what happened? Let's leave it that way.

Now, Duran, one of the most and greatest pressure fighters of all time, will lose to Hearns at ww? Once Duran gives him pressure, Hearns wilts..Just like he did with Leonard, Pryor, Hagler, and Barkley.

I must be crazy I guess. These same people got the nerve to compare Duran to Pipino Cuevas...My goodness

That I agree 100%

[keithmoonhangover]

I favor Duran in this bout not because he is my favorite fighter. This guy was one of the most awesome fighters that ever lived. I rank him in my personal top 5 pound per pound of all-time.

I could understand some people in this forum saying that the great Thomas Hearns would have stopped Duran the same way if the fight was at welterweight. I could understand that. But they forgot that Hearns at any point of his career had the best of chins. Oh, but with Duran, "a light hitting" opponent, he would have a great chin....What a joke.

Second, I don't think if it were that magnificent "Manos de Piedra" of the first Sugar Ray Leonard fight in Montreal, loses to any version of Hearns at ww. How could that be? Duran had one of the best underrated defenses I have seen in a boxer. He could throw you off- balance, giving you angles, and in shape was a complete fighting machine. Probably the height and reach of Hearns will give him problems, but I cannot see Duran being stopped. He had a hell of a chin to go with. So, Leonard and Aaron Pryor had better chins than Duran? I don't think so.

Third, I don't believe that crap of styles makes fights. If you beat the guy one time, that does not mean you will beat him every time or you will beat him all the time. If that is the case, then Esteban De Jesus if not given a rematch to Duran, right now we would be saying that Duran will alway lose to Esteban. If Duran never gave Leonard a rematch, then we say that Duran would have always beat him.

Fourth, if you give Hearns pressure, that's it. Pryor beat Hearns at the amateurs. How? by applying enormous pressure. Oh, now these same people will say " Hearns did not had the punch at the amateur level"...Well, what about when he fought Leonard? Once Leonard gave him pressure, that was it for the Hitman. Oh, Hearns was at 145 lbs and should have come at 147. Now, at middleweight, the great Marvin Hagler and the overachieving Iran Barkley gave Hearns pressure, and what happened? Let's leave it that way.

Now, Duran, one of the most and greatest pressure fighters of all time, will lose to Hearns at ww? Once Duran gives him pressure, Hearns wilts..Just like he did with Leonard, Pryor, Hagler, and Barkley.

I must be crazy I guess. These same people got the nerve to compare Duran to Pipino Cuevas...My goodness

That I agree 100%

Your post is go, but ignoring styles makes fights is just plain stupid. Some fighters struggle with southpaws, others struggle with good inside fighters and some just can't handle short fighters. There are loads more styles that make fights.

[elmersalsa]

There goes GNI...I don't know if he dislikes the great Roberto Duran just like I dislike Oscar De La Hoya.

When Hearns beat Duran, Duran first, was in a decline. He was not the same fighting machine of the 70s. His prime ended at the "No Mas" fight. Unfortunately, it was the end of Roberto. In 1981, he made 2 fights at jr. middleweight and he looked awful, even though he won against class C opponents. Then, he fights the great Wilfred Benitez, and Duran looked like an idiot. He even looked overweight. Duran style consists of movement of the feet. With Benitez and Hearns, that movement of feet were not there at all due to the weight class he was in. 154lbs were too much for Roberto. Plus, the speed was not there no more. The head movement was not there either. He was a stationary target for the Hearns fight. Hearns was in his complete prime. at his best weight. He would have creamed SRL also in that weight class. He was awesome

[SaadOffTheDeck]

You skipped over Duran destroying Moore and fighting well against hagler just before the Hearns fight. No, he wasn't in his prime. But he got steamrolled like a child. Just like he always would have.

And for the record, Duran is in my top 5 favorite fighters. That doesn't make him unbeatable.

[BoxBuzz]

Yep and Barkley beats Hearns first time...every time......since that's what happened, there must be no other options or possibilities. Let's not get carried away with pure imagination, or creative assumptions.

And while we're at it....Hearns could never beat Leonard. Ever. Since that is the reality (I just checked the record....and my statements are 100% accurate.)


Marciano and Louis? you know the drill.....

yeah ok Moore and Charles too I guess.



Troo Fax!

[SaadOffTheDeck]

Yep and Barkley beats Hearns first time...every time......since that's what happened, there must be no other options or possibilities. Let's not get carried away with pure imagination, or creative assumptions.

And while we're at it....Hearns could never beat Leonard. Ever. Since that is the reality (I just checked the record....and my statements are 100% accurate.)


Marciano and Louis? you know the drill.....

yeah ok Moore and Charles too I guess.



Troo Fax!

LOL, this is truly terrible stuff. I assume that was the intention. Well done, it's one of the worst posts I've ever read.

[BoxBuzz]

excellent, then there will be some dynamic range between your brilliance and my buffoonery.......I hate milk toast homogenized mediocrity.

Give me controversy, dissidence and tension! lol.


So all seriousness aside, how do you explain the ol' Barkley Hearns twilight zone thingy?

[SaadOffTheDeck]

excellent, then there will be some dynamic range between your brilliance and my buffoonery.......I hate milk toast homogenized mediocrity.

Give me controversy, dissidence and tension! lol.


So all seriousness aside, how do you explain the ol' Barkley Hearns twilight zone thingy?

What's to explain? Barkely beat him twice. He never dominated him like Hearns did to Duran, so I don't see the correlation you're trying to make. Iran was taking a frightful beating in the first fight and won a split decision in the rematch. Hearns/Duran made Foreman/Frazier look competitive.

[theone]

only a fighter as beloved as Duran gets this type of benefit of the doubt. Hearns would have destroyed him at any point during their primes.

[Goodnight, Irene]

There goes GNI...I don't know if he dislikes the great Roberto Duran just like I dislike Oscar De La Hoya.

When Hearns beat Duran, Duran first, was in a decline. He was not the same fighting machine of the 70s. His prime ended at the "No Mas" fight. Unfortunately, it was the end of Roberto. In 1981, he made 2 fights at jr. middleweight and he looked awful, even though he won against class C opponents. Then, he fights the great Wilfred Benitez, and Duran looked like an idiot. He even looked overweight. Duran style consists of movement of the feet. With Benitez and Hearns, that movement of feet were not there at all due to the weight class he was in. 154lbs were too much for Roberto. Plus, the speed was not there no more. The head movement was not there either. He was a stationary target for the Hearns fight. Hearns was in his complete prime. at his best weight. He would have creamed SRL also in that weight class. He was awesome

I'd just like to say at this point, that under different circumstances, the great Oscar De La Hoya would have beaten Bernard Hopkins. De La Hoya was overweight, & not in his best weightclass. He struggled to a gift against Sturm, & only won one more fight inside the distance in all his career after Hopkins.

Yes, De La Hoya would beat Hopkins if things were different.

[SaadOffTheDeck]

There goes GNI...I don't know if he dislikes the great Roberto Duran just like I dislike Oscar De La Hoya.

When Hearns beat Duran, Duran first, was in a decline. He was not the same fighting machine of the 70s. His prime ended at the "No Mas" fight. Unfortunately, it was the end of Roberto. In 1981, he made 2 fights at jr. middleweight and he looked awful, even though he won against class C opponents. Then, he fights the great Wilfred Benitez, and Duran looked like an idiot. He even looked overweight. Duran style consists of movement of the feet. With Benitez and Hearns, that movement of feet were not there at all due to the weight class he was in. 154lbs were too much for Roberto. Plus, the speed was not there no more. The head movement was not there either. He was a stationary target for the Hearns fight. Hearns was in his complete prime. at his best weight. He would have creamed SRL also in that weight class. He was awesome

I'd just like to say at this point, that under different circumstances, the great Oscar De La Hoya would have beaten Bernard Hopkins. De La Hoya was overweight, & not in his best weightclass. He struggled to a gift against Sturm, & only won one more fight inside the distance in all his career after Hopkins.

Yes, De La Hoya would beat Hopkins if things were different.

I would definitely favor Oscar over Hopkins at 140.

[Goodnight, Irene]

This might be the fanboy in me, but I would even back my boy over Hopkins at 147. De La Hoya was a fine fighting force there, too.

[BoxBuzz]

saad, you go right on believin that there was a huge gulf between Duran and Hearns......or a frightful styles mismatch existed betwen them and that the manifest outcome would be "typical"

and on one particular night....I would agree.

[SaadOffTheDeck]

saad, you go right on believin that there was a huge gulf between Duran and Hearns......or a frightful styles mismatch existed betwen them and that the manifest outcome would be "typical"

and on one particular night....I would agree.

Thanks for your permission. You go right on being an asshole.

[BoxBuzz]

saad, you go right on believin that there was a huge gulf between Duran and Hearns......or a frightful styles mismatch existed betwen them and that the manifest outcome would be "typical"

and on one particular night....I would agree.

Thanks for your permission. You go right on being an asshole.

Notice: to disagree or challenge a Saad'sim brings with it a mighty consequence.

I must now hang my head in shame based on his decree.

I will learn to endure somehow despite the extra baggage I now carry. And attempt rehabilitation by being vigilant to express myself when I find myself in agreement with such royalty.

[Counter-puncher]

ever try understatement? you know, just for a giggle, or a change, like?

[BoxBuzz]

ever try understatement? you know, just for a giggle, or a change, like?

this would always be the counter punchers position. Very effective at times!

I'll think about it for myself.....No guarantees though lol

[elmersalsa]

You skipped over Duran destroying Moore and fighting well against hagler just before the Hearns fight. No, he wasn't in his prime. But he got steamrolled like a child. Just like he always would have.

And for the record, Duran is in my top 5 favorite fighters. That doesn't make him unbeatable.

The Moore fight was a miracle. Duran. And that is because Duran trained hard for both of those fights. Hagler beats Duran at mw 10 out of 10 times. That is not Dura's weight class. Moore was not as exceptional as Hearns nor Hagler. But was a very good fghter. He almost destroyed Benitez in two rounds. Well, a Benitez past his prime.

So you are saying that Leonard has a better chin than Duran?
Pryor pressures Hearns...Hearns loses
Leonard pressures Hearns...Hearns loses by TKO
Hagler pressures Hearns... Hearns got outclassed in 3
Barkley pressures Hearns...Put Hearns out of the ring.

Now, a guy like Duran that gives you pressure, just like he did with Ken Buchanan? Hearns gets KO'd in 10 or 8 rounds...Buchanan had better chin than Hearns.

[elmersalsa]

There goes GNI...I don't know if he dislikes the great Roberto Duran just like I dislike Oscar De La Hoya.

When Hearns beat Duran, Duran first, was in a decline. He was not the same fighting machine of the 70s. His prime ended at the "No Mas" fight. Unfortunately, it was the end of Roberto. In 1981, he made 2 fights at jr. middleweight and he looked awful, even though he won against class C opponents. Then, he fights the great Wilfred Benitez, and Duran looked like an idiot. He even looked overweight. Duran style consists of movement of the feet. With Benitez and Hearns, that movement of feet were not there at all due to the weight class he was in. 154lbs were too much for Roberto. Plus, the speed was not there no more. The head movement was not there either. He was a stationary target for the Hearns fight. Hearns was in his complete prime. at his best weight. He would have creamed SRL also in that weight class. He was awesome

I'd just like to say at this point, that under different circumstances, the great Oscar De La Hoya would have beaten Bernard Hopkins. De La Hoya was overweight, & not in his best weightclass. He struggled to a gift against Sturm, & only won one more fight inside the distance in all his career after Hopkins.

Yes, De La Hoya would beat Hopkins if things were different.

De La Hoya loses to Hopkins 10 out 10 times...That is not DLH weight class. Plus DLH was past his prime. DLH weight class range is from 130 to 154 lbs. He is tall enough for those weight classes. Duran cannot make good of fighting at 154 and beyond. He was too small for those guys. He was a natural lightweight. DLH can make the 154lbs class better than Duran. Duran fighting at 154 or 160 and out of his prime is like Hagler fighting cruiserweights being he (Hagler) out of his prime.

[elmersalsa]

The Hearns that decapitated Duran in 1984 was in his complete prime. He was at his perfect weight class. Put Leonard with Hearns in that same night he stopped Duran and Leonard would have get crushed. Just like Duran

Hearns at ww and under was frail. He had a hell of a punch, boxing skills and was fast. But he was not a good inside fighter. Could not hold on when in trouble back in the ww days and did not had the stamina necessary to fight 15 rounds hard. That is why he lost to Leonard at ww. Leonard had more gas at the end. Plus, Hearns did not had the chin. His chin failed him in the 2 biggest fights of his career.

That is why I say these fighters would have beaten Hearns at ww and by KO:
Emile Griffith
Sugar Ray Robinson
Kid Gavilan
Carmen Basilio
Roberto Duran
Sugar Ray Leonard beats him every time at ww. But at 154, Hearns beats him there. He was much better and stronger in that class.

[Giancarlo]

You skipped over Duran destroying Moore and fighting well against hagler just before the Hearns fight. No, he wasn't in his prime. But he got steamrolled like a child. Just like he always would have.

And for the record, Duran is in my top 5 favorite fighters. That doesn't make him unbeatable.

The Moore fight was a miracle. Duran. And that is because Duran trained hard for both of those fights. Hagler beats Duran at mw 10 out of 10 times. That is not Dura's weight class. Moore was not as exceptional as Hearns nor Hagler. But was a very good fghter. He almost destroyed Benitez in two rounds. Well, a Benitez past his prime.

So you are saying that Leonard has a better chin than Duran?
Pryor pressures Hearns...Hearns loses
Leonard pressures Hearns...Hearns loses by TKO
Hagler pressures Hearns... Hearns got outclassed in 3
Barkley pressures Hearns...Put Hearns out of the ring.

Now, a guy like Duran that gives you pressure, just like he did with Ken Buchanan? Hearns gets KO'd in 10 or 8 rounds...Buchanan had better chin than Hearns.

Hilarious

[theone]

The Hearns that decapitated Duran in 1984 was in his complete prime. He was at his perfect weight class. Put Leonard with Hearns in that same night he stopped Duran and Leonard would have get crushed. Just like Duran

Hearns at ww and under was frail. He had a hell of a punch, boxing skills and was fast. But he was not a good inside fighter. Could not hold on when in trouble back in the ww days and did not had the stamina necessary to fight 15 rounds hard. That is why he lost to Leonard at ww. Leonard had more gas at the end. Plus, Hearns did not had the chin. His chin failed him in the 2 biggest fights of his career.

That is why I say these fighters would have beaten Hearns at ww and by KO:
Emile Griffith
Sugar Ray Robinson
Kid Gavilan
Carmen Basilio
Roberto Duran
Sugar Ray Leonard beats him every time at ww. But at 154, Hearns beats him there. He was much better and stronger in that class.

Wow....Hearns was so fragile he almost beat one of the greatest Welterweights of all time in an epic fight. And if memory serves me correct it took a hell of alot of Leonard's punches to do him in. Hardly the stuff of the weak chinned. Even Hagler although the job was done in 3 rounds, had to lay ALOT of leather on Hearn's supposed glass jaw to stop him. After that fight however, Hearn's did start showing signs of a not so sturdy beard.

Gavilan, Basilio, and Griffith didnt have the power of Leonard and probably would have all been outbox by the taller faster rangier Hearns. Robinson I give you. We already know what happened with Duran.

[SaadOffTheDeck]

You skipped over Duran destroying Moore and fighting well against hagler just before the Hearns fight. No, he wasn't in his prime. But he got steamrolled like a child. Just like he always would have.

And for the record, Duran is in my top 5 favorite fighters. That doesn't make him unbeatable.

The Moore fight was a miracle. Duran. And that is because Duran trained hard for both of those fights. Hagler beats Duran at mw 10 out of 10 times. That is not Dura's weight class. Moore was not as exceptional as Hearns nor Hagler. But was a very good fghter. He almost destroyed Benitez in two rounds. Well, a Benitez past his prime.

So you are saying that Leonard has a better chin than Duran?
Pryor pressures Hearns...Hearns loses
Leonard pressures Hearns...Hearns loses by TKO
Hagler pressures Hearns... Hearns got outclassed in 3
Barkley pressures Hearns...Put Hearns out of the ring.

Now, a guy like Duran that gives you pressure, just like he did with Ken Buchanan? Hearns gets KO'd in 10 or 8 rounds...Buchanan had better chin than Hearns.

[SaadOffTheDeck]

The Hearns that decapitated Duran in 1984 was in his complete prime. He was at his perfect weight class. Put Leonard with Hearns in that same night he stopped Duran and Leonard would have get crushed. Just like Duran

Hearns at ww and under was frail. He had a hell of a punch, boxing skills and was fast. But he was not a good inside fighter. Could not hold on when in trouble back in the ww days and did not had the stamina necessary to fight 15 rounds hard. That is why he lost to Leonard at ww. Leonard had more gas at the end. Plus, Hearns did not had the chin. His chin failed him in the 2 biggest fights of his career.

That is why I say these fighters would have beaten Hearns at ww and by KO:
Emile Griffith
Sugar Ray Robinson
Kid Gavilan
Carmen Basilio
Roberto Duran
Sugar Ray Leonard beats him every time at ww. But at 154, Hearns beats him there. He was much better and stronger in that class.