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...yeah, buzz...weren't those theatre showings great!!!! so much like actually like being at the real fight...and with a view just slightly less than ringside.

Goodnight, Irene wrote:Fraziers style and vulnerabilities are textbook-perfect for a Dempsey massacre. I would bet Dempsey big if you two were bookies. Put Dempsey in Quarrys position during round one of that first fight, and I guarantee its goodnight, Irene within the next two stanzas. I find it hilarious youre both liking Dempseys chances against Marciano, but expecting Frazier to collapse him no sweat. Hilarious.

Neither of us said "no sweat."

Dempsey would definitely have some good moments.....

before Frazier punches him senseless....

in a fight that leaves you.....

El Busto.

btw, GI, you need to get it out of your noggin that Frazier and Marciano are exact identical twins.

They are not. Rocky would not have done so well in that '66-'75 era.

Frazier was an updated model.

Actually, Tyson was an updated model of Frazier, but there were a few bugs not addressed at the factory.

Dempsey-Marciano would be a great fight, but I see Dempsey pulling it out.

yancey wrote:

Goodnight, Irene wrote:Fraziers style and vulnerabilities are textbook-perfect for a Dempsey massacre. I would bet Dempsey big if you two were bookies. Put Dempsey in Quarrys position during round one of that first fight, and I guarantee its goodnight, Irene within the next two stanzas. I find it hilarious youre both liking Dempseys chances against Marciano, but expecting Frazier to collapse him no sweat. Hilarious.

Neither of us said "no sweat."

Dempsey would definitely have some good moments.....

before Frazier punches him senseless....

in a fight that leaves you.....




El Busto.

Quarry had a better chin than Dempsey, who in his prime was staggered badly by fighters like Bill Brennan, George Carpantier and dropped a couple of times by Firpo. Quarry took punches from much harder hitting heavywieghts like Shavers, Lyle, Foster, Norton, Paterson and of course Frazier. Dempsey wouldn't be able to trade with Joe like Quarry did.

theone wrote:

yancey wrote:

Goodnight, Irene wrote:Fraziers style and vulnerabilities are textbook-perfect for a Dempsey massacre. I would bet Dempsey big if you two were bookies. Put Dempsey in Quarrys position during round one of that first fight, and I guarantee its goodnight, Irene within the next two stanzas. I find it hilarious youre both liking Dempseys chances against Marciano, but expecting Frazier to collapse him no sweat. Hilarious.

Neither of us said "no sweat."

Dempsey would definitely have some good moments.....

before Frazier punches him senseless....

in a fight that leaves you.....




El Busto.

Quarry had a better chin than Dempsey, who in his prime was staggered badly by fighters like Bill Brennan, George Carpantier and dropped a couple of times by Firpo. Quarry took punches from much harder hitting heavywieghts like Shavers, Lyle, Foster, Norton, Paterson and of course Frazier. Dempsey wouldn't be able to trade with Joe like Quarry did.

Yes, agreed.

The statement "put Dempsey in Quarry's position during round one of that first fight, and I guarantee its goodnight, Irene within the next two stanzas" would be quite hilarious, if it wasn't so quite insane.

Maybe our lad was figuring Dempsey to have iron bolts in his gloves and Doc Kearns to have a .44 Magnum at his disposal.

Oh, yeah, Dempsey's chin wasn't in Quarry's league. I can definitely see Dempsey falling about the ring like a drunk from Ali's punches, ala Quarry in their rematch

Dempsey poleaxes Frazier. It's not a class issue --- they're both greats. It's the vulnerabilities of one fighter complimenting the strengths of another.

yancey wrote:

Goodnight, Irene wrote:Fraziers style and vulnerabilities are textbook-perfect for a Dempsey massacre. I would bet Dempsey big if you two were bookies. Put Dempsey in Quarrys position during round one of that first fight, and I guarantee its goodnight, Irene within the next two stanzas. I find it hilarious youre both liking Dempseys chances against Marciano, but expecting Frazier to collapse him no sweat. Hilarious.

Neither of us said "no sweat."

Dempsey would definitely have some good moments.....

before Frazier punches him senseless....

in a fight that leaves you.....

El Busto.

You certainly didn't say that, so I retract that. It was more Saad saying Frazier would cave in Dempsey's face, implying an easy win.

yancey wrote:btw, GI, you need to get it out of your noggin that Frazier and Marciano are exact identical twins.

They are not. Rocky would not have done so well in that '66-'75 era.

Frazier was an updated model.

Actually, Tyson was an updated model of Frazier, but there were a few bugs not addressed at the factory.

Dempsey-Marciano would be a great fight, but I see Dempsey pulling it out.

Now, I politely ask you not to place words in my mouth, Mr. Yance. I don't consider Marciano & Frazier duplicates, in spite of their obvious similarities. I would stop short of calling Frazier an update on Marciano, though. Each were better in some areas & weaker in others. A fight between the two might've swung any of a number of ways, & I would struggle to predict it, frankly. Both would prove Dempsey victims.

Frazier is a poor man's Tyson physically --- Tyson is a destitute man's Frazier psychologically.

Goodnight, Irene wrote:

yancey wrote:

Goodnight, Irene wrote:Fraziers style and vulnerabilities are textbook-perfect for a Dempsey massacre. I would bet Dempsey big if you two were bookies. Put Dempsey in Quarrys position during round one of that first fight, and I guarantee its goodnight, Irene within the next two stanzas. I find it hilarious youre both liking Dempseys chances against Marciano, but expecting Frazier to collapse him no sweat. Hilarious.

Neither of us said "no sweat."

Dempsey would definitely have some good moments.....

before Frazier punches him senseless....

in a fight that leaves you.....

El Busto.

You certainly didn't say that, so I retract that. It was more Saad saying Frazier would cave in Dempsey's face, implying an easy win.

I never said it would be easy. Just that the end result would be Frazier with his arms raised and Jack with his face caved in. It's a stylistic nightmare for jack and I don't see a scenario where he wins. That doesn't mean he wouldn't get his licks in.

The only person mentioning easy outcomes is you. Why in the world are you so keen on carrying on the same argument again? I could write out your posts for you on this topic. It wont kill you to let something go once in a while.

Fine, I'll let it go. I think the styles is all one way for Dempsey, you feel completely opposite. Let's let it lie.

You know, Saad, you are just the same as me (in this regard), warts & all. Stubborn to a word.

Goodnight, Irene wrote: You know, Saad, you are just the same as me (in this regard), warts & all. Stubborn to a word.

Absolutely, but I haven't pursued this conversation. I'm done with it and wouldn't have responded at all if you didn't call me out by name with something i didn't say.

Goodnight, Irene wrote:Oh, yeah, Dempsey's chin wasn't in Quarry's league. I can definitely see Dempsey falling about the ring like a drunk from Ali's punches, ala Quarry in their rematch

Dempsey poleaxes Frazier. It's not a class issue --- they're both greats. It's the vulnerabilities of one fighter complimenting the strengths of another.

Yup...I have no problem imagining Ali staggering Dempsey around the ring. Little George Carpantier had Dempsey on queer street for a bit in the second round of their fight. Why is it far fetched that the bigger, stronger, harder hitting Ali would do the same?

Frazier would manhandle Dempsey; Jack would be lucky to escape into the second round. His aggression would be his demise.

SaadOffTheDeck wrote:

Goodnight, Irene wrote: You know, Saad, you are just the same as me (in this regard), warts & all. Stubborn to a word.

Absolutely, but I haven't pursued this conversation. I'm done with it and wouldn't have responded at all if you didn't call me out by name with something i didn't say.

"Frazier would cave in his face," with no other comment, I maintain makes it reasonable for me to infer is an implication of an easy night's work.

theone wrote:

Goodnight, Irene wrote:Oh, yeah, Dempsey's chin wasn't in Quarry's league. I can definitely see Dempsey falling about the ring like a drunk from Ali's punches, ala Quarry in their rematch

Dempsey poleaxes Frazier. It's not a class issue --- they're both greats. It's the vulnerabilities of one fighter complimenting the strengths of another.

Yup...I have no problem imagining Ali staggering Dempsey around the ring. Little George Carpantier had Dempsey on queer street for a bit in the second round of their fight. Why is it far fetched that the bigger, stronger, harder hitting Ali would do the same?

Frazier would manhandle Dempsey; Jack would be lucky to escape into the second round. His aggression would be his demise.

Please identify for me the long list of fine victims Frazier did in in two rounds.

I don't care what you think of this fight, to expect Frazier to beat Dempsey in two rounds is fvcking retarded. There's no more polite way for me to put it.

Let me guess, you're next going to mention Flynn KO1, aren't you?

Goodnight, Irene wrote:

SaadOffTheDeck wrote:

Goodnight, Irene wrote: You know, Saad, you are just the same as me (in this regard), warts & all. Stubborn to a word.

Absolutely, but I haven't pursued this conversation. I'm done with it and wouldn't have responded at all if you didn't call me out by name with something i didn't say.

"Frazier would cave in his face," with no other comment, I maintain makes it reasonable for me to infer is an implication of an easy night's work.

This is letting it go?

I gave a brief prediction on all of the fights. They didn't have anything to do with the thread as they would all be very close in vegas.

Goodnight, Irene wrote:

yancey wrote:btw, GI, you need to get it out of your noggin that Frazier and Marciano are exact identical twins.

They are not. Rocky would not have done so well in that '66-'75 era.

Frazier was an updated model.

Actually, Tyson was an updated model of Frazier, but there were a few bugs not addressed at the factory.

Dempsey-Marciano would be a great fight, but I see Dempsey pulling it out.

"Now, I politely ask you not to place words in my mouth, Mr. Yance." GI

Okay, sorry about that.

Don't like it done to me so I'll try not to do it to anyone else.

SaadOffTheDeck wrote:

Goodnight, Irene wrote:

SaadOffTheDeck wrote: Absolutely, but I haven't pursued this conversation. I'm done with it and wouldn't have responded at all if you didn't call me out by name with something i didn't say.

"Frazier would cave in his face," with no other comment, I maintain makes it reasonable for me to infer is an implication of an easy night's work.

This is letting it go?

I gave a brief prediction on all of the fights. They didn't have anything to do with the thread as they would all be very close in vegas.

Whatever you like, mate.

Please identify for me the long list of fine victims Frazier did in in two rounds.

I don't care what you think of this fight, to expect Frazier to beat Dempsey in two rounds is fvcking retarded. There's no more polite way for me to put it.

Let me guess, you're next going to mention Flynn KO1, aren't you?

Frazier's 2nd round victims list may be short but all the ingredients are there for Dempsey to be on it.

I wasn't going to bring up Flynn; I already know the excuse Dempsey worshipers use to ignore that one.

I guess you're just going to ignore my response to your quip about Ali not being able to stagger Dempsey around the ring like he did Quarry. Figures.

yancey wrote:

Goodnight, Irene wrote:

yancey wrote:btw, GI, you need to get it out of your noggin that Frazier and Marciano are exact identical twins.

They are not. Rocky would not have done so well in that '66-'75 era.

Frazier was an updated model.

Actually, Tyson was an updated model of Frazier, but there were a few bugs not addressed at the factory.

Dempsey-Marciano would be a great fight, but I see Dempsey pulling it out.

"Now, I politely ask you not to place words in my mouth, Mr. Yance." GI

Okay, sorry about that.

Don't like it done to me so I'll try not to do it to anyone else.