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Captain Hook wrote::)

Let's not get carried away boys, but good luck to Kell. A step in the right direction, finally

Here's hoping he starts shifting tickets at bigger venues as he progresses, unlike Witter.

I'd hardly call him popular though, outside of Sheffield.

If he is stopped on the street anywhere it's probably because he looks like Robbie Paul :)

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Camcas wrote:

daddy-rhino wrote:

boxingchat wrote:Let's not get excited its Hillsbrough Leisure Centre for christ sake.

Didn't Ricky burns and degale sell less than 1000 tickets in Scotland not very good for a world title fight and a olympic gold medilist. (get back in your cage boxingchat)

Quite sure they sold 3,000 tickets, but were expected to sell 4,000

Jeff Thomas wrote:Since leaving his old promoter he's been on ringside, been a pundit- been ringside at all the big fights!

You know, he's actually been promoted- you wonder how much 'promoting' actually goes on sometimes!

Getting a fighter to 27-0 and fighting for a spurios title isn't really promoting! That's managing.

Getting a fighter to sell a huge amount of tickets or gain exposure throughout the uk is 'promoting'.

Or am I confused?

daddy-rhino wrote:

Camcas wrote:

daddy-rhino wrote: Didn't Ricky burns and degale sell less than 1000 tickets in Scotland not very good for a world title fight and a olympic gold medilist. (get back in your cage boxingchat)

Quite sure they sold 3,000 tickets, but were expected to sell 4,000

Oh no, less than 1000 and that was from a good souse in the hall that night , they wasn't happy at all

leforge wrote:

Jeff Thomas wrote:Since leaving his old promoter he's been on ringside, been a pundit- been ringside at all the big fights!

You know, he's actually been promoted- you wonder how much 'promoting' actually goes on sometimes!

Getting a fighter to 27-0 and fighting for a spurios title isn't really promoting! That's managing.

Getting a fighter to sell a huge amount of tickets or gain exposure throughout the uk is 'promoting'.

Or am I confused?

Agree with what your saying. The problem when you have too many fighters you cant give them all equal exposure Kell suffered from this in the past.

Jeff Thomas wrote:

leforge wrote:

Jeff Thomas wrote:Since leaving his old promoter he's been on ringside, been a pundit- been ringside at all the big fights!

You know, he's actually been promoted- you wonder how much 'promoting' actually goes on sometimes!

Getting a fighter to 27-0 and fighting for a spurios title isn't really promoting! That's managing.

Getting a fighter to sell a huge amount of tickets or gain exposure throughout the uk is 'promoting'.

Or am I confused?

Agree with what your saying. The problem when you have too many fighters you cant give them all equal exposure Kell suffered from this in the past.

Exactly, I agree- but don't then call yourself a great promoter if your simply running up numbers at the expense of raising profile! It's just a numbers game for some it seems! 15 fight bills, little quality, little sense of relevance or progression, little to make me care about any particular fight or fighter on the undercard!

Honestly I don't envy all the squabbling and two facedness but if I were to be at the helm of a boxing promotion I reckon I could do a lot more to raise people's interest! Maybe I'm naive but there seems little innovation out there!

I did a great little study/assignment for Frank Maloney and apparently sky liked it- but they can't have liked it that much! Least were moving in the right direction!

King Geedorah wrote:

Jeff Thomas wrote:

leforge wrote: Agree with what your saying. The problem when you have too many fighters you cant give them all equal exposure Kell suffered from this in the past.

Exactly, I agree- but don't then call yourself a great promoter if your simply running up numbers at the expense of raising profile! It's just a numbers game for some it seems! 15 fight bills, little quality, little sense of relevance or progression, little to make me care about any particular fight or fighter on the undercard!

Honestly I don't envy all the squabbling and two facedness but if I were to be at the helm of a boxing promotion I reckon I could do a lot more to raise people's interest! Maybe I'm naive but there seems little innovation out there!

I did a great little study/assignment for Frank Maloney and apparently sky liked it- but they can't have liked it that much! Least were moving in the right direction!

To play devil's advocate a bit, the numbers at the O2 show flies in the face of your original post. DeGale-Groves was a massive fight here in the UK and a lot of that was down to DeGale's profile. So he's been promoted, no?

Ricky Hatton got a run of wins but also had the profile so I guess bona fide promotion is being able to achieve both a winning run and a bit of public recognition, and this should probably be thrown into the promotions thread in order to give an idea of what we mean by promotion.

Not having a go at you, Jeff, just feel that in the rush to fall over ourselves and credit one group of people for things whilst chastising another we're in danger or making ourselves look fickle, stupid, biased and incapable of objectivity on this forum as we judge some people positively by one set of criteria and have a go at others using an inverse version of the same criteria.

I've been guilty of this myself in the past.

Anyway, I'm pleased that Kell's selling out for the right reasons, it is good for him, his family and his new organisation and should be viewed in that context.

Although I'm a little miffed that Dan didn't resurrect my old thread and get me a few more hits. Only kidding, Dan's a good guy!

King Geedorah wrote:

Jeff Thomas wrote:

leforge wrote: Agree with what your saying. The problem when you have too many fighters you cant give them all equal exposure Kell suffered from this in the past.

Exactly, I agree- but don't then call yourself a great promoter if your simply running up numbers at the expense of raising profile! It's just a numbers game for some it seems! 15 fight bills, little quality, little sense of relevance or progression, little to make me care about any particular fight or fighter on the undercard!

Honestly I don't envy all the squabbling and two facedness but if I were to be at the helm of a boxing promotion I reckon I could do a lot more to raise people's interest! Maybe I'm naive but there seems little innovation out there!

I did a great little study/assignment for Frank Maloney and apparently sky liked it- but they can't have liked it that much! Least were moving in the right direction!

To play devil's advocate a bit, the numbers at the O2 show flies in the face of your original post. DeGale-Groves was a massive fight here in the UK and a lot of that was down to DeGale's profile. So he's been promoted, no?

Ricky Hatton got a run of wins but also had the profile so I guess bona fide promotion is being able to achieve both a winning run and a bit of public recognition, and this should probably be thrown into the promotions thread in order to give an idea of what we mean by promotion.

Not having a go at you, Jeff, just feel that in the rush to fall over ourselves and credit one group of people for things whilst chastising another we're in danger or making ourselves look fickle, stupid, biased and incapable of objectivity on this forum as we judge some people positively by one set of criteria and have a go at others using an inverse version of the same criteria.

I've been guilty of this myself in the past.

Anyway, I'm pleased that Kell's selling out for the right reasons, it is good for him, his family and his new organisation and should be viewed in that context.

Although I'm a little miffed that Dan didn't resurrect my old thread and get me a few more hits. Only kidding, Dan's a good guy!

leforge wrote:

Jeff Thomas wrote:

leforge wrote: Agree with what your saying. The problem when you have too many fighters you cant give them all equal exposure Kell suffered from this in the past.

Exactly, I agree- but don't then call yourself a great promoter if your simply running up numbers at the expense of raising profile! It's just a numbers game for some it seems! 15 fight bills, little quality, little sense of relevance or progression, little to make me care about any particular fight or fighter on the undercard!

Honestly I don't envy all the squabbling and two facedness but if I were to be at the helm of a boxing promotion I reckon I could do a lot more to raise people's interest! Maybe I'm naive but there seems little innovation out there!

I did a great little study/assignment for Frank Maloney and apparently sky liked it- but they can't have liked it that much! Least were moving in the right direction!

Frank Maloney does give value for money as there is usually quality fights on the undercard. Promotors need to work in the sports interest now by delivering the best fights. Was that the assignment where you were asking questions on here?

danfoster wrote:
Those that said Sheffield fight fans don't support their boxers must be feeling a bit daft now.

King Geedorah wrote:

Jeff Thomas wrote:Genuinely though I'm not- I'm pretty indifferent with regards to any of the promoters

I just seem to be latching onto your posts today like some nagging bride. Got up on wrong side of bed, found a rip in my Barca top, sore hands, had a flu during training, couldn't get it going in the early rouds etc. etc.

In other words, I'm away to walk Marvin before I dig a deeper hole for myself.

Bomber 1 wrote:He's gonna look special here!! Kell Brook is a brilliant fighter and will stop N'Dou I predict!!

Bomber 1 wrote:He's gonna look special here!! Kell Brook is a brilliant fighter and will stop N'Dou I predict!!

Dan Dares wrote:

Bomber 1 wrote:He's gonna look special here!! Kell Brook is a brilliant fighter and will stop N'Dou I predict!!

Yep. I don't normally make predictions, but I've got a feeling N'Dou gets stopped within 6.

Captain Hook wrote:N'Dou is a faded force but a stoppage would still look good for Brook and send something of a message.