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clubberlang wrote:Lots of our fighters are overrated but the ones that really stick out for me are

Paul Smith

Tony Jeffries

Prince Arron

And before Rees boxed rings around him Andy Murray.

ShadrachSimmo wrote:Murray and Mitchell in my opinion. Ones been found out and i think the other will follow suit.

Josh1111 wrote:James Degale

slapbangwhallop wrote:Darren Barker
Darren Barker
Darren Barker

oh and

Darren Barker

crusader wrote:

hurlock wrote:matthew hatton.
tony jeffries.
joe murray.


i wouldnt say macklin, he's european class & is getting a crack which aint beyond him, i see him getting beat possibly stopped very late after giving sturm a headache.

Who rates Hatton? If anything I'd say that he is underrated.

Captain Hook wrote:Tyson Fury
Kevin Mitchell
Kell Brook
Ricky Burns
Andy Lee

All good fighters but I'd be surprised if any of them do anything at world level, especially Fury and Lee

And who said Matthew Hatton was overrated? Nobody rates him anyway!

slapbangwhallop wrote:

Captain Hook wrote:Tyson Fury
Kevin Mitchell
Kell Brook
Ricky Burns
Andy Lee

All good fighters but I'd be surprised if any of them do anything at world level, especially Fury and Lee

And who said Matthew Hatton was overrated? Nobody rates him anyway!

You think Ricky Burns will do nothing at world level?

DIRT SUGAR wrote:Kell Brook's got lots of questions to answer. He hardly fights, his best win was an unsatisfactory one over Michael Jennings who was totally owned by Cotto (no disgrace in that obviously), yet he's talked of as a can't-miss world champion and is boxing a guy shopworn Lovemore Ndou in what is being built up as some kind of coming-out party.

slapbangwhallop wrote:Darren Barker
Darren Barker
Darren Barker

oh and

Darren Barker

boxingchat wrote:Shouldn't we get behind and encourage all fighters?

Counter-puncher wrote:

boxingchat wrote:Shouldn't we get behind and encourage all fighters?

'Frankly Speaking' yes we should, but sometimes some people don't find it easy. for some reason.

wadey wrote:

Deserter wrote:

wadey wrote:I'll obviously start:

Matthew Macklin
Ricky Burns

I'm surprised you're saying either of them in this context. For example, I haven't seen anyone of here predicting Macklin will beat Sturm while a lot of people recognise Burns' improvement but fall some way short of heralding him as a legend-in-the-making.
The general consensus appears to be that both are Euro-level/fringe world-class and that appears about right, certainly not over-rating them.
It's a good question though and I think I'd probably have to say that Kell Brook potentially falls into this category at the moment based on achievements to date (rather than potential). Cleverley is another one where the jury is still out. And unfortunately I'd have to add Darren Barker's name as I think some on here over-rate him in the context of his ability to hang at world-class level.

Ok, ok in my point of view:

Matthew Macklin - The fact that his fighting for a world title and has a boxrec ranking of 12, when in my opinion its very questionable that he is the best domestically. This is what draws me to this judgement. Plus he was very poor and looked very ordinary in his last 2 outings.

Ricky Burns - Has to be the poorest World Champion out there, and with Frank Wa**en seemingly puposely cashing in on these big shows in Scotland by putting him in against weak opposition, then can't see things changing until a unification fight happens.

Have to disagree with your judgements on Kell Brook and Cleverly as at least these 2 have shown potential at being able to cut it at World level. Obviouasly time will tell and the jury may still be out, but with regards to the 2 i mentioned. Have they ever shown us any thing?

billy nelson wrote:

wadey wrote:

Deserter wrote: I'm surprised you're saying either of them in this context. For example, I haven't seen anyone of here predicting Macklin will beat Sturm while a lot of people recognise Burns' improvement but fall some way short of heralding him as a legend-in-the-making.
The general consensus appears to be that both are Euro-level/fringe world-class and that appears about right, certainly not over-rating them.
It's a good question though and I think I'd probably have to say that Kell Brook potentially falls into this category at the moment based on achievements to date (rather than potential). Cleverley is another one where the jury is still out. And unfortunately I'd have to add Darren Barker's name as I think some on here over-rate him in the context of his ability to hang at world-class level.

Ok, ok in my point of view:

Matthew Macklin - The fact that his fighting for a world title and has a boxrec ranking of 12, when in my opinion its very questionable that he is the best domestically. This is what draws me to this judgement. Plus he was very poor and looked very ordinary in his last 2 outings.

Ricky Burns - Has to be the poorest World Champion out there, and with Frank Wa**en seemingly puposely cashing in on these big shows in Scotland by putting him in against weak opposition, then can't see things changing until a unification fight happens.

Have to disagree with your judgements on Kell Brook and Cleverly as at least these 2 have shown potential at being able to cut it at World level. Obviouasly time will tell and the jury may still be out, but with regards to the 2 i mentioned. Have they ever shown us any thing?

Mate your a Dickhead,if you had any clue how hard it is to become a world champion,ie the sparring,training,running and dieting you wouldnt write this shite that burns is a poor chamopion.No1 DICKHEAD!

Camcas wrote:

billy nelson wrote:

wadey wrote: Ok, ok in my point of view:



Matthew Macklin - The fact that his fighting for a world title and has a boxrec ranking of 12, when in my opinion its very questionable that he is the best domestically. This is what draws me to this judgement. Plus he was very poor and looked very ordinary in his last 2 outings.

Ricky Burns - Has to be the poorest World Champion out there, and with Frank Wa**en seemingly puposely cashing in on these big shows in Scotland by putting him in against weak opposition, then can't see things changing until a unification fight happens.

Have to disagree with your judgements on Kell Brook and Cleverly as at least these 2 have shown potential at being able to cut it at World level. Obviouasly time will tell and the jury may still be out, but with regards to the 2 i mentioned. Have they ever shown us any thing?

Mate your a Dickhead,if you had any clue how hard it is to become a world champion,ie the sparring,training,running and dieting you wouldnt write this shite that burns is a poor chamopion.No1 DICKHEAD!

Not questioning that it is tremendously hard work, but when is he going to defend his title against a legit challenger?

carlbcfc wrote:

Camcas wrote:

billy nelson wrote:Mate your a Dickhead,if you had any clue how hard it is to become a world champion,ie the sparring,training,running and dieting you wouldnt write this shite that burns is a poor chamopion.No1 DICKHEAD!

Not questioning that it is tremendously hard work, but when is he going to defend his title against a legit challenger?

Is it fair for the man to earn a bit of cash before risking his decent paydays?