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Final round wrote:In fairness a broken toe is a bastard and if he'd pulled out then he would have got derired for ducking.

MachoMan09 wrote:Will Dave's toe have recovered in time for this year's Strictly Come Dancing?

@matt___s wrote:

Final round wrote:In fairness a broken toe is a bastard and if he'd pulled out then he would have got derired for ducking.

Didn't stop him before, did it?

Final round wrote:

@matt___s wrote:

Final round wrote:In fairness a broken toe is a bastard and if he'd pulled out then he would have got derired for ducking.

Didn't stop him before, did it?

you mean when setanta went under?

@matt___s wrote:

Final round wrote:

@matt___s wrote: Didn't stop him before, did it?

you mean when setanta went under?

Didn't he cite a back injury in 2009?

Final round wrote:

@matt___s wrote:

Final round wrote: you mean when setanta went under?

Didn't he cite a back injury in 2009?

See above

@matt___s wrote:

Final round wrote:

@matt___s wrote: Didn't he cite a back injury in 2009?

See above

So there was no back injury, it was purely a monetary concern? And this time the money is good enough to soothe the pain of his toe, so he goes ahead with it. He made his choice but I just don't like all this 'I lost due to the toe' I', not saying it would not have been a problem for him but think back over all the other fighters and athletes who have won competitions and bouts with worse injuries, or lost and not effectively gone to the world 'look at me foot! look!'

rhino222 wrote:as a medical man, i was disappointed with hayes 'toe' comments. if he had had it injected, then bupivicaine (marcain) is the drug of choice, this local anaesthetic lasts about 4 - 6 hours, making the toe excuse laughable really.

MachoMan09 wrote:Dave has woken up in a Hamburg hotel room this morning with an extra few million quid to spunk. We're sat gawping at our monitors discussing his little toe. And he's the loser?

keithmoonhangover wrote:it effectef my balance massively.

Deserter wrote:

keithmoonhangover wrote:it effectef my balance massively.

Keith, the only question I'd ask is what about Haye's movement last night suggested to you that his balance was affected in that manner? His mobility seemed fine to me and there was no discernable difference compared to how he performed and moved against Valuev/

MachoMan09 wrote:

@matt___s wrote:

MachoMan09 wrote:Dave has woken up in a Hamburg hotel room this morning with an extra few million quid to spunk. We're sat gawping at our monitors discussing his little toe. And he's the loser?

I don't know about you but I'm hardly gawping. At least I earn my living without making people wait for no good reason or without trying to convince someone else I'm hard done by. I don't see why the fact that he has been well paid - by us, let's not forget - is a reason to not talk about how he fell short of every boast he made.

I must concede that Dave's post fight interview did remind me of Big Brother's Victor when he announced to the nation that he "had the sniffles".

keithmoonhangover wrote:

Deserter wrote:

keithmoonhangover wrote:it effectef my balance massively.

Keith, the only question I'd ask is what about Haye's movement last night suggested to you that his balance was affected in that manner? His mobility seemed fine to me and there was no discernable difference compared to how he performed and moved against Valuev/

It was very different. Haye didn't use anywhere near as much lateral movement as he did in the Valuev fight.

THE MESSIAH wrote:

Deserter wrote:Please tell me it wasn't just me who was cringeing during that post-fight interview? When I think about what the likes of Eubank and Benn would go through in the ring, to then hear a heavyweight fighting for the world title saying "my toe was in agony" and then unveiling it to camera was just excrutiating to watch. Lennox's reaction summed it up perfectly.
Now here's the thing, even if Haye is given the benefit of the doubt and we accept it inhibited his performance to a significant degree, i think the post-fight interview was a disaster, as no-one wants to hear a guy who's just fought for the heavyweight title, earned 10 million quid and failed to live up to his pre-fight boasts, come out with something like that.
He did 12 rounds with VK and took some good shots in the process and that's definitely worthy of respect, but he should have just taken the defeat like a man in the interview and not sounded like a schoolboy talking to his mum - the same people that had been cheering him on during the fight were just laughing at him... would have loved to know what the likes of Hagler and La Motta made of it.

I remember Eubank biting off a big piecE of his tongue from a benn punch.

HAYE SOUNDED LIKE A FOOL.

Deserter wrote:

keithmoonhangover wrote:

Deserter wrote: Keith, the only question I'd ask is what about Haye's movement last night suggested to you that his balance was affected in that manner? His mobility seemed fine to me and there was no discernable difference compared to how he performed and moved against Valuev/

It was very different. Haye didn't use anywhere near as much lateral movement as he did in the Valuev fight.

I'd beg to differ - the only thing significantly changing the dynamics was that Vlad was able to cut the ring off more effectively and move in and out of range. There was nothing in Haye's behaviour to suggest that lateral movement was the issue. In fact, in the post-fight interview he only referenced it being a problem in relation to being able to "explode" forward with the right hand.

keithmoonhangover wrote:

Deserter wrote:

keithmoonhangover wrote: It was very different. Haye didn't use anywhere near as much lateral movement as he did in the Valuev fight.

I'd beg to differ - the only thing significantly changing the dynamics was that Vlad was able to cut the ring off more effectively and move in and out of range. There was nothing in Haye's behaviour to suggest that lateral movement was the issue. In fact, in the post-fight interview he only referenced it being a problem in relation to being able to "explode" forward with the right hand.

Watch this.... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-SISRW7_XS0 and tell me if you saw the same amount of movement last night.

Deserter wrote:

keithmoonhangover wrote:

Deserter wrote: I'd beg to differ - the only thing significantly changing the dynamics was that Vlad was able to cut the ring off more effectively and move in and out of range. There was nothing in Haye's behaviour to suggest that lateral movement was the issue. In fact, in the post-fight interview he only referenced it being a problem in relation to being able to "explode" forward with the right hand.

Watch this.... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-SISRW7_XS0 and tell me if you saw the same amount of movement last night.

You're completely missing my point. I'm not talking about the same volume of movement, I'm talking about the type of movement. He clearly couldn't do the same volume of movement as Vlad's control of the ring didn't allow it. When he did do the same type of movement there was no discernable issue with mobility.
You're also ignoring my point that Haye himself hasn't suggested that his movement around the ring was impeded, simply his ability to 'launch' his right-hands. Given he was so keen to tell all to the viewers including displaying his toe, do you really think he'd miss the opportunity to say that it affected his lateral movement as well?

keithmoonhangover wrote:Yes. As human's we don't always say everything that's on our mind. Like I said, I'm speaking from experrience. Have you ever broken your little toe?

MachoMan09 wrote:Keithmoonhangover (KMH), Haye sounded like a pussy last night when he officially announced Toegate to the world. Don't be his shill, mate, it makes you look like a bit of a tit.

Deserter wrote:

keithmoonhangover wrote:Yes. As human's we don't always say everything that's on our mind. Like I said, I'm speaking from experrience. Have you ever broken your little toe?

Haye was a steam of consciousness in that interview - he was completely articulate and constantly referencing the specific problem of being unable to 'explode' off his right foot. The idea that he'd neglect to mention the other ways it impeded him is just implausible IMO given he was already in full excuses mode.
The argument about whether I have ever broken my little toe is facile as you've yet to show me anything that indicates it was a serious impediment to his movement around the ring last night.