Could Haye ever beat Wlad, if so, how?

[subsy]

Throughout the buildup to this fight, and still now people are saying 'Haye is faster'.

The way I see it is that Hayes hands may well be quicker, but when they have to fight each other, and one of them only has to push hi arm out, yet the other has to push his arm out and move his whole body forward to get close enough to land, then that speed advantage is flipped on its head.

Haye can't beat Wlad right now.

[Finn]

I watched the replay on ringside - haye threw the fight away. He slipped the jab landed or got inside then jumped back out again constantly without following it up, why didnt he just start letting shots go? fear of getting tagged thats what it was.

On sober reflection i though wlad looked beatable and beatable by haye if he had gone for it!

what a shame.

[keithmoonhangover]

Hit him really hard.

[THE MESSIAH]

Drug him and then beat him. Even then its all dependant on his likkle toe.

[mrbassie]

I watched the replay on ringside - haye threw the fight away. He slipped the jab landed or got inside then jumped back out again constantly without following it up, why didnt he just start letting shots go? fear of getting tagged thats what it was.

On sober reflection i though wlad looked beatable and beatable by haye if he had gone for it!

what a shame.

This is why he's draawing ire-at least from me. He didn't even try to win and I didn't score him a single round, one even.
If you watch the face off thing on HBO, Haye shit talked and Wlad dismissed him saying "You're talking yourself up." and he was 100% correct, saw straight through him from day one.

[Asterix]

Yes, Haye could beat Wlad. Haye was much more illusive than I was expecting, and he was close to catching Wlad, but Wlad was moving back just enough to avoid Haye's punches. Wlad has a great sense of distance, but he walks back in a straight line, EVERY SINGLE TIME. Haye needed to vary how much he pressed when he went forward, and he would have landed.

I like what King Geedorah said about throwing the left. I didn't notice it during the fight, but there were definitely openings there.

[Finn]

Yes, Haye could beat Wlad. Haye was much more illusive than I was expecting, and he was close to catching Wlad, but Wlad was moving back just enough to avoid Haye's punches. Wlad has a great sense of distance, but he walks back in a straight line, EVERY SINGLE TIME. Haye needed to vary how much he pressed when he went forward, and he would have landed.

I like what King Geedorah said about throwing the left. I didn't notice it during the fight, but there were definitely openings there.

yeah its the left i was noticing, he threw the right and even when he didnt connect wlad was wide open for haye to follow with the left to the body - on numerous occassions.

If he had been throwing shots in 3s, 4s and 5s he would have definatley had success.

[greg]

--- all great tips no doubt...Haye is certainly not THAT naive not to know what he could have done...for some magic reason, he hasn't... I wonder why...
... it is important to remember that the OPPOSITE side is smart enough to come up with an adequate response... as they say THEORY is good till you get hit...

[Karl Jade]

Yes, Haye could beat Wlad. Haye was much more illusive than I was expecting, and he was close to catching Wlad, but Wlad was moving back just enough to avoid Haye's punches. Wlad has a great sense of distance, but he walks back in a straight line, EVERY SINGLE TIME. Haye needed to vary how much he pressed when he went forward, and he would have landed.

I like what King Geedorah said about throwing the left. I didn't notice it during the fight, but there were definitely openings there.

yeah its the left i was noticing, he threw the right and even when he didnt connect wlad was wide open for haye to follow with the left to the body - on numerous occassions.

If he had been throwing shots in 3s, 4s and 5s he would have definatley had success.

He doesn't have the endurance to do that. So it's pointless even mentioning it.

[Finn]

Yes, Haye could beat Wlad. Haye was much more illusive than I was expecting, and he was close to catching Wlad, but Wlad was moving back just enough to avoid Haye's punches. Wlad has a great sense of distance, but he walks back in a straight line, EVERY SINGLE TIME. Haye needed to vary how much he pressed when he went forward, and he would have landed.

I like what King Geedorah said about throwing the left. I didn't notice it during the fight, but there were definitely openings there.

yeah its the left i was noticing, he threw the right and even when he didnt connect wlad was wide open for haye to follow with the left to the body - on numerous occassions.

If he had been throwing shots in 3s, 4s and 5s he would have definatley had success.

He should have gone against the grain an planned for a maximum 8 round fight, it was pointless going to points .

He doesn't have the endurance to do that. So it's pointless even mentioning it.

[hurlock]

you look at wlads losses & he's brave & you really have to put him the fuk away & stand up to his power :!:

haye can hurt anyone but he cant put clusters together & is not as single handed heavy as he thinks & has no toughness as showed complaining to the ref & running like a bitch.

[Asterix]

Yes, Haye could beat Wlad. Haye was much more illusive than I was expecting, and he was close to catching Wlad, but Wlad was moving back just enough to avoid Haye's punches. Wlad has a great sense of distance, but he walks back in a straight line, EVERY SINGLE TIME. Haye needed to vary how much he pressed when he went forward, and he would have landed.

I like what King Geedorah said about throwing the left. I didn't notice it during the fight, but there were definitely openings there.

yeah its the left i was noticing, he threw the right and even when he didnt connect wlad was wide open for haye to follow with the left to the body - on numerous occassions.

If he had been throwing shots in 3s, 4s and 5s he would have definatley had success.

He doesn't have the endurance to do that. So it's pointless even mentioning it.

He had plenty of stamina to spare at the end of it. Throwing a 4 punch combination, instead of 2, once a round wouldn't have cost too much in the way of stamina.

[jamesmcdonnell]

The may have been asked already but does anyone think Haye could ever beat Wlad? Unless Haye catches him flush he has a punchers chance but I can't see Wlad letting that happen.

So if they have a rematch what should Haye's tactics be?

of course he could he lost by 3-4 rounds if we're being objective and i know some on this forum have a real problem with that when it comes to Haye. I despise the man and all he stands for but i cant deny after 8 rounds the fight was well poised for haye to do something..he lost it down the stretch except the 12th when he suddenly came to life.

haye didnt get busted up he wasnt meek like some of wlads american foes when they are being hit with that jab. hayes problem is he is lazy and his big time charlie persona carries over into his in ring performance. hes the kind of bloke who is always trying to put the icing on the cake before the cake is made....he needs to up his work rate in a return. add a body attack to the end of his sudden lunges which had some success the first time round.

I think if haye shifts his attitude starts getting active and ups his work rate he could beat wlad.

Dream on, the reason Haye potshots at heavyweight, is he knows he doesn't have the chin to take flush shots. So he fires one, then retreats. Haye never had the best chin at cruiserweight, and now he's facing men weighing 40-50 lbs more than the 190 limit. Haye has no choice to fight that way, because he knows that if he catches a big flush shot he's going down.

EVeryone is delusional about Haye's chances, and his ACTUAL abilities, as opposed to the bluster and the bullshit. We saw everything we needed to know about Haye in the Valuev fight. When Haye doesn't have the reach advantage, he fights on the back foot the whole night looking for one big shot, but the truth is, he doesn't have the kind of power to stop someone with one big shot at heavyweight. In fact, when did he even do that at cruiserweight.

It's time to stop thinking about Haye as any kind of challenge to either brother, because he isn't. I said it before the fight, and I'll say it again, Haye simply isn't good enough. Vitali and Wlad are underrated, because the division is piss poor, but that cuts both ways, the division looks piss poor because they win every fight so easily. Wlad has imrproved immensely from the guy who was stopped by Sanders and Brewster, he is less exciting than he was, but boy, is he hard to beat.

[chiggsy]

haye is a great cruiserweight that did ok at heavyweight in my opinion.
if he made 15,3 without boiling/draining then 14,4 is a piece of piss for david haye.

[crusader]

Wlad is simply the better hw, and by some margin. Even with great tactics Haye would lose to Wlad far more often than not.

[Finn]

Wlad is simply the better hw, and by some margin. Even with great tactics Haye would lose to Wlad far more often than not.

Yep but its definatley not impossible.