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Re: Frankie Gavin

Posted: 17 Jul 2011, 06:57
by johnswan1
Frankie Gavin wrote:Ask woodhouse he said I punch hard like most opponents on truth I eat two meals a day like beans an toast I need to sort ky diet I drink a lot of diet coke an water need to cut diet coke an drink more water I will come good an arnie is the best coach I have worked with ever just I need to listen I work hard really hard in gym just need to bring it to ring I will come good got too stubborn to lose lose sum1 I am better than but I need to listen to dietician I am scared to eat 5 meals a day but gonna give it ago an see but I promise I will not lose like any of u believe the better opposition the better I am
How can you promise you will not lose when one of the judges had you losing last night? Get the weight sorted. It was disrespectful and unprofessional to not make the agreed weight for the fight. Out of the eight fighters at the weigh in you looked the lease ripped of the lot. That shows you didn't put in the effort that the others did. Listen to the advice of your nutritionist - being scared of having five meals a day is ridiculous - take on the advice of the trained professional who knows better than you. You can have all the talent in the world but if you're slacking when it comes to proper nutrition it will show.

Re: Frankie Gavin

Posted: 17 Jul 2011, 08:56
by FIGHTFANs
MachoMan09 wrote:
G0mez wrote:...get someone like Kerry Kayes to write you out a diet sheet and coach you on your metabolism and overall diet.
GOmez, great post overall, mate. the only bit I want to pick up on: is Frankie not already sponsored by CNP? If so, I would've thought KK has already provided/offered the guidance. The lad has to be prepared to take heed.
I also thought he worked with KK cnp :TU:

Re: Frankie Gavin

Posted: 17 Jul 2011, 09:08
by Asterix
I agree with the comments regarding dedication/diet and better sparring. All the guys at the top are in amazing shape; you can't afford not to be. And look at how much Khan has come on since he went to the Wild Card gym.

Re: Frankie Gavin

Posted: 17 Jul 2011, 09:09
by Bard of Boxrec
Jesus, people are STILL talking about this guy? Good amateur doesn't guarantee good pro folks, and Gavin clearly doesn't have the tools to even make Euro level. Some people on here have been talking about him like he's Guillermo Rigondeaux ffs.

I just hope when he loses he doesn't come on here and spout some pathetic excuse because he seems that sort of guy.

Re: Frankie Gavin

Posted: 17 Jul 2011, 09:34
by jessi
Riddick Blowe wrote:Jesus, people are STILL talking about this guy? Good amateur doesn't guarantee good pro folks, and Gavin clearly doesn't have the tools to even make Euro level. Some people on here have been talking about him like he's Guillermo Rigondeaux ffs.

I just hope when he loses he doesn't come on here and spout some pathetic excuse because he seems that sort of guy.
I'm frankies biggest fan and have to admit I'm slightly worried at the moment, but frankies not the sort of guy to complain if he were to loose, I remember him loosing to Mario kindelan as an amateur and having nothing but respect for him, please please please arnie get Gavin to the wild card for a couple of weeks and get him in with top up and coming hungry pros and even khan or packman, see what roach has to offer, I'm sure his doing it in the gym but his just not performing when it matters. Come on Frankie. :bag:

Re: Frankie Gavin

Posted: 17 Jul 2011, 09:57
by English Wizard
MachoMan09 wrote:I know what you're saying, mate, but Frankie is a different kettle of fish to Audley. Nobody with any real insight into the game thought that Audley was going to make it to the top of the tree as a professional. Frankie has the talent and potential, it's up to him whether he grasps the nettle in the manner, to be fair to him, Khan has.
They did Mate, after he won the Olympic gold medal, just ask the BBC, they wasted a mill on him, it ruined boxing on the BBC.

Re: Frankie Gavin

Posted: 17 Jul 2011, 10:02
by Coco
English Wizard wrote:
MachoMan09 wrote:I know what you're saying, mate, but Frankie is a different kettle of fish to Audley. Nobody with any real insight into the game thought that Audley was going to make it to the top of the tree as a professional. Frankie has the talent and potential, it's up to him whether he grasps the nettle in the manner, to be fair to him, Khan has.
They did Mate, after he won the Olympic gold medal, just ask the BBC, they wasted a mill on him, it ruined boxing on the BBC.
I remember when he was having his debut when the BBC wheeled out all the usual suspects for their predictions.
They all said he would be a world champion bar Claude Abrams who said the European title would be his limits

Re: Frankie Gavin

Posted: 17 Jul 2011, 10:06
by English Wizard
chiggsy wrote:Degale should be at middleweight? :o
He looks like a pretty big super middle to me.
He fought at 12 stone in the ams with weigh in on the day, in the pros you can weigh in 24-36 hours before the fight for 11.7, if you look deep into it most ams turn pro train a lot harder in the pros get more ripped with weight loss and fight at lower weights, some do go up but look chubby like Saunders and Gavin and I don't think Degale is a big supermiddleweight either.

Re: Frankie Gavin

Posted: 17 Jul 2011, 10:23
by Terminator666
Degale never looks close to "ripped"- (Not that weight making is always about looking ripped) It does seem as though he could make middle imo.

Re: Frankie Gavin

Posted: 17 Jul 2011, 12:17
by JDC
Constructive bashing is good and this is one of the most constructive threads I've seen on here of this type of mould. Take heed Frankie, good luck :TU:

Re: Frankie Gavin

Posted: 17 Jul 2011, 13:17
by alexpaterson
Gavin is still a class boxer and I'm sure he'll fulfil his potential. I'm sure this will be the wake up call needed to get fully dedicated and when (if) he takes the decision he'll come on leaps and bounds!

Re: Frankie Gavin

Posted: 17 Jul 2011, 13:42
by kamicazze
G0mez wrote:Frankie,

I started a thread ages ago saying you were gonna be the next world champion / force at 140.

So now I'm going to kick your arse, you know I'm not a hater :D

Basically you probably sat and watch John Murray's record go up in smoke last night and likely saw how Haye's loss has completely exploded from a country of love, to a planet of hate for him. Professional boxing is bloody fickle and it's not a cliché when people say "fail to prepare, prepare to fail".

Boxing success is made of 4 parts.

1. God given ability
2. Promoter
3. Mentality
4. Training

Now I think you've perhaps got the first two points in spades, but 3 and especially 4 need a new approach. Physically you looked flat and fleshy last night. You need to seriously get someone like Kerry Kayes to write you out a diet sheet and coach you on your metabolism and overall diet. You are what you eat. Eating 5 smaller meals will satisfy your body into thinking it's being fed properly. Eating two bulky meals and snacking is not productive for such a sport nd KK would tell you that. Your cannibalising your muscle and anything you eat is stored as fat as result. Hence the lack of muscle definition and retention when making weight.

I remember Michael Gomez crashed the weight often, when KK got involved (ahead of the Arthur fight actually) Gomez was panicking saying "the weights not coming off!! i must stop eating" and KK said absolutely not, trust me on this, keep eating what your eating - and then Gomez p*ssed the weight, felt stronger than he ever has done before and smashed Arthur to bits.

The mentality thing is something that all fighters have, to be top dog - and it's a good thing - so long it doesn't manifest itself in the wrong manner i.e. When you feel so completely supreme to someone in the opposite corner and just look at common people you've also fought and sparred.

Lennox Lewis / Rahman, Tyson / Buster Douglas, Marquez / Chris John, Morales /Raheem - so many have taken their eye off the ball and got exposed. Better fighters and worst fighters have all fell into the trap and you nearly fell into one last night yourself. One that you set yourself.

You have to realise your a big scalp to these guys. They will train their nuts off to beat you. Their losses may have been littered with honest excuses like your previous performances when you had flu or whatever. You need to really train like a beast full time now - not switch it on and off until the big time arrives - because that approach will backfire and there will be no bigtime.

Jaeger Bombs, Hugo Boss, 'Mates' .... they all pale into insignificance when your rich enough to live in a £1.5m house with swimming pool, to drive an Aston Martin and fly first class. To retire aged 32 with a cabinet full of titles, worldwide fame and some tremendous fights under your belt.

Monday make them calls, make them changes. Turn your mobile off and get training daft. Maybe go and sweat in mount Teide in Tenerife for a few weeks.

Many would kill for your ability - but like I said, it's only part of the picture.

:TU:
Quality post. I was thinking the exact same thing. Kerry Kayes was the first guy that sprang to mind on the nutritionist side of things but lets not forget that there are others who are also good nutritionists. Martyn Broughton, Edward Tooley, Phil Nourse and use some of the specialists that MMA use.
In terms of your trainer I'm not totally convinced of his pedigree but it is too often that there is a change the trainer mentallity (although leaving Farnell seems to have benefited Bellew and Crolla). I'm thinking you take Arnie on camps with you so he is training you but you are both getting the wisdom of other trainers. Some UK one's to recommend would be Jimmy Tibbs, Rob McCraken, Bob Shannon, Oliver Harrison and Enzo Calzaghe (he trained the best southpaw the UK ever produced).
You need to avoid going to train at Joe Gallagher's, the Ingle's, Lee Beard, and Jim Mcdonnell. Not because they are bad coaches but because they do not suit your style of boxing. Then following a few camps or few sessions at these gym's then you head off to see old Frederick Roach for a few pointers.

Re: Frankie Gavin

Posted: 17 Jul 2011, 15:00
by hurlock
weight making wasnt an issue in this case it was at an easy junction for gavin his ideal catchweight & he was getting caught with silly punches.

i disagree with mguigan & co's comment on he should be blowing away curtis, he aint that type of fighter which he seems to be trying to prove after being fed weak & primed opposition.curtis who is an ever improving fighter learning at the highest well toughest level shouldnt be marking him up & be narrowly losing out. it should be in & out boxing putting together flashy punches spinning off & making fighters look clumsy. from coming on here i get to read gavins posts & get insight from his mental approach & by reading how he felt towards curtis in his approach & was dismissive with him failing to see how he could threaten him in anyway some fighters say this to rile up a fighter but frankie wears his heart on his sleeve it seem's & the juices was not flowing for him which could explain him not being 100% focus & he's paid the price. people shouldnt look at his trainer either as farnell imo is good for him as he is strong willed & can impose himself on frankie like nobody else if he fails to get him to focus i cant see many who can.

also ive criticised his last opponents as on paper top wins as they were selected at the right time & were leagues above curtis previously. this fight proved that. i hope this is a wake up call & the penny drops :TU:

Re: Frankie Gavin

Posted: 17 Jul 2011, 15:12
by cutthecacklebullyup
frakie is a top boxer no doubt,however turning over to pro is not just as easy as people think it is, espiacialy nowadays it is a totally different animal.even though i think he can still go on to be a top level/world champ boxer he must be given time to adjust to the pro game and develope his power because once that comes he will be different class.being a top amatuer does not guarantee success in the pro game.

Re: Frankie Gavin

Posted: 18 Jul 2011, 03:57
by JamesH
Most fighters have 'kick up the arse' fights, they don't always win them. I really hope Frankie takes all the advice on board and dedicates the next few years striving to maximise his potential. A split decision win against Curtis isn't good enough for Frankie, he'll know that more than anyone. I was shocked to see Curtis catching Frankie cleanly, pleased Frankie had the chin to take it, but shocked he was able to connect like that. All credit to Curtis, but a 100% Frankie Gavin wouldn't have let that happen and would comfortably grow into world championship level, and I still think (with work on weight making) he can get to 100%.

To write him off at this stage would be foolish, he has most of the tools to succeed, he just needs to iron out some important issues before he goes up to a level that would expose anything he's doing wrong. We all have crossroads during our careers and Frankie is at one now. I don't buy into the whole concept of changing a trainer after every defeat or below par performance, neither do I think that Arnie has done a lot wrong, but I couldn't agree more with the benefits increased competition of sparring would bring. There'd be top, top fighters happy to spar with someone with Frankie's credentials.

Frankie's journey isn't derailed; it's just a hit a pot hole. It wouldn't be the first time that such an occurrence has been entirely beneficial to the fighter. I just hope he can tweak the negative elements which have come into focus recently, he'll need to do that to get to the top. Since watching him the am's a few years ago I'd always thought he'd be the first fighter I'd follow over to Vegas to watch, and I haven't given up on that dream yet. As a result of all this, I bet his next match is still a step up and that he looks back to his old self. Come on Frankie, the world is potentially at your feet.