Eastman now fighting a Russian - Have you heard of him....?

DOG · Post by **DOG** » 19 Jan 2004, 12:20

Eastman needs to go to the US and so a number on Robert Allen, Taylor or another US "face" to get noticed

Fighting an "unknown" guy( to the Americans) in front of 300 people in Dagenham isn't going to set the world alight in Hopkins camp or amongst the US fight fan who will be expected to finance the fight (IMO it won't happen over here at this time)..
The lethargic showing versus Joppy won't help his cause either...

Go to the US and get under his (Hopkins')skin..It's the only way.
Fight a TOP RANKED American and say "I'm European number 1 and just spanked your top contender..wassup Hopkins?"
At Eastman's age this is the only possible way surely.
The main reason being that Hopkins has other fish to fry...namely, ODLH, Trinidad, Mayorga...

Something needs to be done asap otherwise Eastman will need to consider his options regarding how his career is progressing....if his ambitions tell him to.

Or will the miracle happen...Eastman waits another year and finally gets his mandatory shot???
Thoughts?

Dog

bennie · Post by **bennie** » 19 Jan 2004, 12:28

DOG wrote:Eastman needs to go to the US and so a number on Robert Allen, Taylor or another US "face" to get noticed

Fighting an "unknown" guy( to the Americans) in front of 300 people in Dagenham isn't going to set the world alight in Hopkins camp or amongst the US fight fan who will be expected to finance the fight (IMO it won't happen over here at this time)..
The lethargic showing versus Joppy won't help his cause either...

Go to the US and get under his (Hopkins')skin..It's the only way.
Fight a TOP RANKED American and say "I'm European number 1 and just spanked your top contender..wassup Hopkins?"
At Eastman's age this is the only possible way surely.
The main reason being that Hopkins has other fish to fry...namely, ODLH, Trinidad, Mayorga...

Something needs to be done asap otherwise Eastman will need to consider his options regarding how his career is progressing....if his ambitions tell him to.

Or will the miracle happen...Eastman waits another year and finally gets his mandatory shot???
Thoughts?

Dog

Good post DOG (and I've long been a fan of your posts on the Fight World forum). I agree Eastman is practically invisible. He needs to relinquish his European title (the Yanks must laugh when they hear who he's been fighting) and concentrate solely on a showdown with Hopkins. It's the only way.

GAV · Post by **GAV** » 19 Jan 2004, 12:34

FlawedGenius wrote:GAV take a deep breath and COUNT to TEN, everyone is entitled to their opinions.

They most certainly are, but they should surely have reasoning behind their opinions.

Perhaps you could explain the reasoning behind your insinuation?

DOG · Post by **DOG** » 19 Jan 2004, 12:36

Thanks Bennie...but I've only posted a couple of times on Fightworld, so it could be someone else..I used to post quite regularly on the old S/O board, but read more than post these days..

Have only really started looking at you guys recently speaking and am very impressed..There is a greater knowledge base and less tub-thumping on Boxrec than on many of the other sites

please keep up the good work to ALL at Boxrec.. it is greatly appreciated

DOG

stujones · Post by **stujones** » 19 Jan 2004, 12:38

DOG wrote:Eastman needs to go to the US and so a number on Robert Allen, Taylor or another US "face" to get noticed

Fighting an "unknown" guy( to the Americans) in front of 300 people in Dagenham isn't going to set the world alight in Hopkins camp or amongst the US fight fan who will be expected to finance the fight (IMO it won't happen over here at this time)..
The lethargic showing versus Joppy won't help his cause either...

Go to the US and get under his (Hopkins')skin..It's the only way.
Fight a TOP RANKED American and say "I'm European number 1 and just spanked your top contender..wassup Hopkins?"
At Eastman's age this is the only possible way surely.
The main reason being that Hopkins has other fish to fry...namely, ODLH, Trinidad, Mayorga...

Something needs to be done asap otherwise Eastman will need to consider his options regarding how his career is progressing....if his ambitions tell him to.

Or will the miracle happen...Eastman waits another year and finally gets his mandatory shot???
Thoughts?

Dog

The question is though, can he beat Allen and Taylor? I don't think he can, Allen is one of the few fighters who gave Hopkins a fight and for that reason alone is at least as worthy of this title shot than Howard. I seriously do believe that Jermain Taylor is a young man that we'll be talking about for years to come and I fully expect him to take over from Hopkins, and also win some super middle honours.

But as Bennie said that was an excellent post and Eastman does need to do this, not necessarily with Allen or Taylor, but there are other options. Despite what has been said about the devision, there are some very capable fighters out there who would make a perfect "bridge" between the Cherifi's off this world and Hopkins. What about Keith Holmes, Aaron Mitchell and Aaron Davis.

The fault the McGuigan pointed out (quite rightly) after that McCraken in the comfort of London being your hardest fight was no-preperation for a world title. McGuigan suggested that he needed to go to America and fight the condentors (i.e. Pazienza at the time etc). It looks like (if Eastman gets his shot) that lightening will strike twice, cause he hasn't listened to a man who is more than qualified in telling you what not to do prior to a world title fight.

JimStone · Post by **JimStone** » 19 Jan 2004, 12:43

GAV wrote:
FlawedGenius wrote:GAV take a deep breath and COUNT to TEN, everyone is entitled to their opinions.
They most certainly are, but they should surely have reasoning behind their opinions.

Perhaps you could explain the reasoning behind your insinuation?

What insinuation?

Goz · Post by **Goz** » 19 Jan 2004, 12:44

stujones wrote: The question is though, can he beat Allen and Taylor? I don't think he can, Allen is one of the few fighters who gave Hopkins a fight and for that reason alone is at least as worthy of this title shot than Howard. I seriously do believe that Jermain Taylor is a young man that we'll be talking about for years to come and I fully expect him to take over from Hopkins, and also win some super middle honours.

But as Bennie said that was an excellent post and Eastman does need to do this, not necessarily with Allen or Taylor, but there are other options. Despite what has been said about the devision, there are some very capable fighters out there who would make a perfect "bridge" between the Cherifi's off this world and Hopkins. What about Keith Holmes, Aaron Mitchell and Aaron Davis.

The fault the McGuigan pointed out (quite rightly) after that McCraken in the comfort of London being your hardest fight was no-preperation for a world title. McGuigan suggested that he needed to go to America and fight the condentors (i.e. Pazienza at the time etc). It looks like (if Eastman gets his shot) that lightening will strike twice, cause he hasn't listened to a man who is more than qualified in telling you what not to do prior to a world title fight.

I agree with this assessment of Eastman. I would take it a step further and go as far as to say I think it's already too late for him and feel the next 'live' opponent he faces beats him, even if it's just a case of him plodding after someone while they nick the fight on points.

Eastman's lethargic style seems to have been compounded as time has gone on, when it's against a shot Cherifi then you can call it superb 'shot picking', when it's against a genuine top 5 Middleweight I think you will able to call it 'losing every round'.

DOG · Post by **DOG** » 19 Jan 2004, 12:45

stujones wrote:
DOG wrote:Eastman needs to go to the US and so a number on Robert Allen, Taylor or another US "face" to get noticed

Fighting an "unknown" guy( to the Americans) in front of 300 people in Dagenham isn't going to set the world alight in Hopkins camp or amongst the US fight fan who will be expected to finance the fight (IMO it won't happen over here at this time)..
The lethargic showing versus Joppy won't help his cause either...

Go to the US and get under his (Hopkins')skin..It's the only way.
Fight a TOP RANKED American and say "I'm European number 1 and just spanked your top contender..wassup Hopkins?"
At Eastman's age this is the only possible way surely.
The main reason being that Hopkins has other fish to fry...namely, ODLH, Trinidad, Mayorga...

Something needs to be done asap otherwise Eastman will need to consider his options regarding how his career is progressing....if his ambitions tell him to.

Or will the miracle happen...Eastman waits another year and finally gets his mandatory shot???
Thoughts?

Dog
The question is though, can he beat Allen and Taylor? I don't think he can, Allen is one of the few fighters who gave Hopkins a fight and for that reason alone is at least as worthy of this title shot than Howard. I seriously do believe that Jermain Taylor is a young man that we'll be talking about for years to come and I fully expect him to take over from Hopkins, and also win some super middle honours.

But as Bennie said that was an excellent post and Eastman does need to do this, not necessarily with Allen or Taylor, but there are other options. Despite what has been said about the devision, there are some very capable fighters out there who would make a perfect "bridge" between the Cherifi's off this world and Hopkins. What about Keith Holmes, Aaron Mitchell and Aaron Davis.

The fault the McGuigan pointed out (quite rightly) after that McCraken in the comfort of London being your hardest fight was no-preperation for a world title. McGuigan suggested that he needed to go to America and fight the condentors (i.e. Pazienza at the time etc). It looks like (if Eastman gets his shot) that lightening will strike twice, cause he hasn't listened to a man who is more than qualified in telling you what not to do prior to a world title fight.

I also have my doubts and think that maybe Eastman has missed the boat (Re Joppy and the problems with Don King and the inactivity straight after that).
I like your other choices too...but the fact remains that this will need to be done in the US...Otherwise any promotion in this country will need to be seriously sponsored by a major network, and/or a huge backer.. Eastman still isn't that well known amongst the general British fan base of this country.

But network/promotions and how theyor help hinder Eastman?...that is another arguement :(

The REAL McCoy · Post by **The REAL McCoy** » 19 Jan 2004, 17:01

Its the same old story, Eastman will cruise to yet another easy victory against this guy without breaking sweat, strut around for a while, then sit down for his interview & tell everyone that the great Bernard Hopkins is running scared of him

As McCoy has always said, its a sad day when your best win is against your damn trainer!

Hellephant · Post by **Hellephant** » 20 Jan 2004, 22:43

I'm uploading Sergey Tatevosyan vs Armand Krajnc on dutch's ftp server

bennie · Post by **bennie** » 21 Jan 2004, 04:46

Hellephant wrote:I'm uploading Sergey Tatevosyan vs Armand Krajnc on dutch's ftp server

Great idea.

Hardhitters11 · Post by **Hardhitters11** » 21 Jan 2004, 06:13

I have seen one or two of his fights and he is ok but he is the type of fighter Eastman should be walking through and shouldnt be facing at this stage of his career.

HH

jamesmcdonnell · Post by **jamesmcdonnell** » 21 Jan 2004, 06:24

From what i hear Kranjc was suffering from a brain disorder during that fight, and was hospitalised for 2 months afterward. So I'm told anyway.

knockout · Post by **knockout** » 21 Jan 2004, 06:25

bennie wrote:
Hellephant wrote:I'm uploading Sergey Tatevosyan vs Armand Krajnc on dutch's ftp server
Great idea.

whats the addy for this ftp server... i would like to see this Tatevosyan!!

Dutch Windmill · Post by **Dutch Windmill** » 21 Jan 2004, 06:36

check http://www.worldboxingvideoarchive.com

Server itself:
host: boxing.hopto.org
port:21
user:boxrec
pass:boxrec

knockout · Post by **knockout** » 21 Jan 2004, 06:44

Dutch Windmill wrote:check http://www.worldboxingvideoarchive.com

Server itself:
host: boxing.hopto.org
port:21
user:boxrec
pass:boxrec

so how the hell do i download the vids then??? i am not the most technical of guys!!!!

Dutch Windmill · Post by **Dutch Windmill** » 21 Jan 2004, 06:56

Check the forum and the Frequently asked questions, i'm sure you'll figure out

knockout · Post by **knockout** » 21 Jan 2004, 07:09

Dutch Windmill wrote:Check the forum and the Frequently asked questions, i'm sure you'll figure out

thanks.... dont think my work firewall likes it!!!
by the way have you heard anything from Ray Joval, tried to call him a few times but his mobile is off. is he in USA???

Dutch Windmill · Post by **Dutch Windmill** » 21 Jan 2004, 07:13

Yes it will work with your firewall, use passive transfers. One of the options in Coffeecup FTP
download from here (click)

As for Joval, yes he is in the USA from what I read in the newspaper to prepare for his bout against Angel Hernandez.

I'll be at the Amsterdam card this weekend, I'll try to get some info there.

knockout · Post by **knockout** » 21 Jan 2004, 07:16

Dutch Windmill wrote:Yes it will work with your firewall, use passive transfers. One of the options in Coffeecup FTP
download from here (click)

As for Joval, yes he is in the USA from what I read in the newspaper to prepare for his bout against Angel Hernandez.

I'll be at the Amsterdam card this weekend, I'll try to get some info there.

Hernandez is light middle isnt he???

Kilburn · Post by **Kilburn** » 21 Jan 2004, 07:34

Joval v Hernandez is a decent match-up, and it's on ESPN2 so we'll get to see it on CH5.

knockout · Post by **knockout** » 21 Jan 2004, 07:41

Kilburn wrote:Joval v Hernandez is a decent match-up, and it's on ESPN2 so we'll get to see it on CH5.

when is the fight Dan??

Dutch Windmill · Post by **Dutch Windmill** » 21 Jan 2004, 07:46

6 Feb, the night of Woods-Johnson

knockout · Post by **knockout** » 21 Jan 2004, 07:47

thanks....

Dutch Windmill · Post by **Dutch Windmill** » 21 Jan 2004, 07:48

Are you downloading yet? Still at work