What allegedly might have in store...

[Josh1111]

Awful idea and i wont be paying the extra. I already refused to pay for PPV fights and this channel will be no different. It wont last 12 months if nobody buys it. There is also a chance that FW will lose some of his bigger fighters if subscriptions are low.

[doctorboxing]

I already pay a fortune for SKY and there is no way ill be adding an extra tenner a month. I won't get rid of SKY sports due to the football and now the f1 etc. Setanta was a tenner but it had a lot of football and other sports as well.

Also, if frank has control of the channel, can you really see Bunce being able to say what he wants on his show?

[dondada]

All the best to him for being prepared to put his balls on the board.

Presuming that they are indeed his balls on the board, in financial terms.

[stujones]

What's a Sky EPG and space cost? 280-300K per year? Play-out technology? 100K.

Advertising rates are roughly £6.10-£6.36 per thousand adult viewers for a 30 second advert.

Warren already owns the rights to thousands of hours of archived fight footage which he can air without additional production costs but how much does it cost to buy in or produce the rest, including outside broadcasts?

How many ten pound subscribers will he need to at least break even? It will be interesting to see how this plays out. It's certainly a risk. All the best to him for being prepared to put his balls on the board.

Its a huge risk you see many channels just die - lots on the sports epg.... even Premier Sports openly admit to being in the red.

[danfoster]

I dont really like much British boxing as it is.

Bad move from Warren.

Hmmmm.

[broomy7s]

They need to show at least 2 cards a week and I mean full cards including the undercard and in hd if they want my money. Be interesting to see if they offer 1st month free to see what the quality is like.

[Happy Slapper]

This is bad for the casual fan. To think, all of this has came indirectly as a result of David Haye. Let's hope Vitali sparks him out in round 1 on a non-PPV show.

[leforge]

Bellew fight on it. I can see boxers been upset.

[keithmoonhangover]

Long term this is a VERY bad move.

Only die hard Boxing fans are going to pay to watch, so the exposure of his fighters will only be to that audience.

That's the great thing about being on Sky Sports, it let's sports fans, with a passing interest in Boxing see the fights.

[dsimpson]

Allegedly loves to tell his fighters to leave promoting to the promoters. Maybe he should heed his own advice and leave TV coverage to the TV companies. I hope Sky take him to the cleaners and don't look back.

[Ketchel]

Back in the good/bad (whatever way you want to look at it) ole days all and sundry and even the old grannies knew the boxers because they were on TV. Boxers were looked upon with reverence. Heroes to the common man. With the onset of Sky this window to boxing was taken away from the majority of people who watched the sport. Except for Hatton, after the demise of the careers of Benn, Eubank, Bruno, Naz and co boxing was talked about less and less outside of the hardcore fans. Boxing on occasions had 17-20 million viewers! What does it have now?

Nowadays very few people know or care about boxing and even the people who do don't want to be paying more on top their subscription fees.

The only light I have seen recently are Tyson Fury's appearances on Channel 5. On Monday morning everyone was talking about the fight and lets be realistic here nobody watches Channel 5. Other than Holyfield v Moorer II and the 2 Fury fights I have never watched the channel. Yet every person in my work watched it on Saturday night! Fury could be a big star of the back of this and become a big personality with cross over appeal. But no doubt it'll all get fuked up somewhere down the line.

Boxing don't need subscription channels and marginalised further. It needs given back to the people!

[leforge]

Long term this is a VERY bad move.

Only die hard Boxing fans are going to pay to watch, so the exposure of his fighters will only be to that audience.

That's the great thing about being on Sky Sports, it let's sports fans, with a passing interest in Boxing see the fights.

X 2

Not all die hards will pay either!

[Wake up call]

There's going to be a hell of lot of competition for this allegedly channel to contend with as many small promoters (like Micky Helliett recently) are going to be using the Youtube live system.

But how could that possibly make money. What might be possible is that, if it is a success, more promoters might come on board.

Advertising and sponsorship. Youtube is global so has a much bigger reach than TV and advertisers will lap it up in the future. The internet is growing, while TV is shrinking.

Scott Quigg's fight on Youtube did 20,000 live viewers. allegedly probably won't do 30% of that. Think about it from an advertisers point of view.

[Wake up call]

Long term this is a VERY bad move.

Only die hard Boxing fans are going to pay to watch, so the exposure of his fighters will only be to that audience.

That's the great thing about being on Sky Sports, it let's sports fans, with a passing interest in Boxing see the fights.

X 2

Not all die hards will pay either!

Very true. The real diehards have found ways to watch boxing from all over the globe for free but this isn't the place for me to explain how.

[themadmariner]

It sounds like I need to discover You Tube boxing!!!!!

[smcb80]

the money freed up from Warren's contract could be used for other things on Sky - it'd be a fair swap if we got weekly or fortnightly american fights. i'd even be happy with delayed coverage of the likes of agbeko - mares 2

[JamesH]

When allegedly was first mooted, I thought that I would subscribe if the business model moved in that direction. It was just the default response of an idiot who submits to PPV despite protesting I won't (although I have stuck to my guns since Haye/Harrison).

Then I reconsidered, I thought I'd wait and see what was on offer, and at what cost. I was disappointed when I heard £10 was the potential subscription fee. Thats more than premier or ESPN, and probably more than the cost of the sky channels which show boxing (1&2). Ok, this is a boxing only channel, but it's going to take a lot of new (and costly) material for it to be better value than its competitors. As Andy Wake points out, the youtube market is increasing in relation to sports broadcasting, so expect a major competitor there also. Don't be shocked to see social media sites investing in sports events so that 'friends' or 'followers' can watch together and discuss it, while the business owners gain valueable data depicting specific user's habits and interests.

I haven't yet heard the full details of what the offering will consist of, but I'm not keen in having my pants pulled down around my ankles either. I will be shocked if there is enough to convince me to subscribe to this, and if I do, it will probably be in place of something else. The only way I can see myself subscribing is if there is a cheaper online option. I won't subscribe to a tie-in period immediately, it will take more than one good month of viewing to hook me in. Lets see consistency over 6 months, and I'll look at it again.

It is a worrying move for the sport, but in some ways, a logical one? If the promoter feels the broadcaster isn't being reasonable, its an option open to them to explore. I'd rather it was done as a part of a collective than for one individual stable though. The most logical move would seem to be online, particularly when one could use most new televisions to login and watch it. For this reason, I can't see the channel being a long term success. Also, if someone wanted all the boxing available, it would involve multiple subs channels and PPV's, it could take the montly tv bill over £100 per month, which is just mental.

[themadmariner]

One thing that hasn't been mentioned is the fact that as allegedly is broadcasting on Sky they will be getting a cut of the money anyway as you have to pay to broadcast.

Therefore Sky won't really care about what the promoter is upto because they will be getting a share anyway

[leforge]

There's going to be a hell of lot of competition for this allegedly channel to contend with as many small promoters (like Micky Helliett recently) are going to be using the Youtube live system.

But how could that possibly make money. What might be possible is that, if it is a success, more promoters might come on board.

Advertising and sponsorship. Youtube is global so has a much bigger reach than TV and advertisers will lap it up in the future. The internet is growing, while TV is shrinking.

Scott Quigg's fight on Youtube did 20,000 live viewers. allegedly probably won't do 30% of that. Think about it from an advertisers point of view.

Very good point. Do think they over estimating the pulling power of current stable!

[whiskey]

If it's in HD with Dolby Digital sound then I'd pay for it.

If not then I won't.

Simples.

[broomy7s]

Sounds fairly decent, 2 cards a week for £2.50 ain't bad. Free for the 1st few months. Wonder if khan will be on it. Could kill off primetime.


http://www.BS.com/allegedly-fu ... ter--44071

[leforge]

Sounds fairly decent, 2 cards a week for £2.50 ain't bad. Free for the 1st few months.


http://www.BS.com/allegedly-fu ... ter--44071

Frankie Gavin headling a WBO inter continental plus Rob Norton headling. The first free months ok, but paying for a subscription I not going too. Doubt many casual fans will which is the key!

[stevek3lly]

Sounds fairly decent, 2 cards a week for £2.50 ain't bad. Free for the 1st few months. Wonder if khan will be on it. Could kill off primetime.


http://www.BS.com/allegedly-fu ... ter--44071

I am going to wait before suggesting anything on like this. He has a very hard job winning round the critics.

[Josh1111]

I couldn't be more against this idea to be honest. Warren doesn't have enough big names for me to pay that much. As for the German based fighters, i'm not interested.

Out of interest, is this going to be available to Virgin customers? if not, he will lose out on this

[-KOKid-]

Watching the press conference now.
FW said they'll need 100,000 subscribers to start with.
Richard Brooke then said they don't need that many, but will be aiming for more.
Good luck with that.


The line up of fights on allegedly is very good though.
I'd certainly take up a subscription if I lived in the UK.
I have no trouble supporting boxing, but I do not agree that another subscription channel is the best thing for the sport.