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Hagler2002 wrote:I haven't seen any evidence he's slipped, 4 defeats to Casamayor, Juan Diaz, JMM & Guerrero are nothing to be disgraced about and in all fairness there was only really Guerrero that gave him a bit of a lesson.

I don't think Burns is anywhere near this level and has been hugely overrated after he beat Martinez who was frankly shocking the night they fought.

I'm with you. I can't see any other option myself and am on it too.

I like both fighters but everything is in Katsidis' favour. He's comfortable at the weight and more importantly he's strong, he's hurtful and intense. He will corner Burns and i'd be very suprised to see him get out of that position.

Very tough fight to take first

Fat Git wrote:

G0mez wrote:It beggars belief so many people reckon Burns, a career super feather is going to beat Michael Katsidis.

That sums it up.

I'm expecting an even quite jaded Katsidis to win well. But fighters like the Aussie to get old overnight with the sorts of careers they have had.

Hagler2002 wrote:Well not quite But I've a big chunk of cash on this, more than I can actually afford to lose but it's like buying money.

If this turns out to be a repeat of the Martinez fight I have a one way ticket to the poor house.

Come on Micky, do it for England

I hope you lose your money simply because of this ^^

Katsidis does have problems with movers though, as most heavyhanded boxers do. This fight comes down to what happens when Katsidis connects with big punches, even when the Aussie has lost fights he's always hurt the other guy before that

I echo the surprise at the optimism on this site regarding Ricky burns. For me this is an open shut case. Not belittling Ricky as he is clearly a quality operator but Katsidas is a beast and without question will take burns wheres he has never been. And in my opinion somewhere he wont be able to escape. Maybe im under estimating burns and time will tell ofcourse but im very confident Katsidas wins. Not in doubt for me

Old bones Ian wrote:Katsidis does have problems with movers though, as most heavyhanded boxers do. This fight comes down to what happens when Katsidis connects with big punches, even when the Aussie has lost fights he's always hurt the other guy before that

He's only good when he can impose his strength and physicality on the other guy. Let's also not forget that his career best win is what, Mitchell?

He can punch, but Burns can't and he will be wary of his power, particularly early on so I expect him to get on his bike, use a lot of lateral movement and jab, as he did against Martinez after being dropped.

Sure Kat has operated in a much higher level but let's also take into consideration that all of them have been "much smaller" men originally, so this argument about size is blown out of the water and it becomes moot anyway because none of them allowed him to use his size/strength other than Casa, who was clearly on the slide.

Kat's face only has to look at a bit of leather and it breaks out in welts and cuts and he's not hard to figure out at all. Like you say though, be interesting to see whta happens when Katsidis lands his first big punch. I'd expect Burns to not let him get set and keep him off balance with the jab and then tie him up when he gets in range.

I'll be there live and I actually want Katsidis to win because I like him as a boxer/person but I think to just say oh well he's fought better people doesn't necessarily equate to a win. As I said before, the guys he's faced have all largely come up from feather/super feather and he's not exactly done that great against anyone with movement - I remember Amonsot giving him problems with his skittery movement.

all burns has to do is stay on his feet. i think people are forgetting kat is a full blown lightweight/l.welter & his explosiveness wont be there at 9-4 plus the recent stuffing his had taken out of him.he's only marketable over here due to prior visits & respectable fans should feel insulted :!: burns is a farce.

hurlock wrote:all burns has to do is stay on his feet. i think people are forgetting kat is a full blown lightweight/l.welter & his explosiveness wont be there at 9-4 plus the recent stuffing his had taken out of him.he's only marketable over here due to prior visits & respectable fans should feel insulted :!: burns is a farce.

I've read this 3 times and still clueless to what you're trying to say

Burns is a farce for fighting Katsidis?
Give us a break, this is a ridiculously hard fight to take for his first fight at a new weight.

i didnt realise burns was moving up in weight

thought kat was burning down

Hagler2002 wrote:Well not quite But I've a big chunk of cash on this, more than I can actually afford to lose but it's like buying money.

If this turns out to be a repeat of the Martinez fight I have a one way ticket to the poor house.

Come on Micky, do it for England

what the hell has this got to do with the fight ? Hate when pudenda bring nationality into it .Wanker

Alba wrote:

Hagler2002 wrote:Well not quite But I've a big chunk of cash on this, more than I can actually afford to lose but it's like buying money.

If this turns out to be a repeat of the Martinez fight I have a one way ticket to the poor house.

Come on Micky, do it for England

what the hell has this got to do with the fight ? Hate when pudenda bring nationality into it .Wanker

Friendly racism innit!

Alba wrote:

Hagler2002 wrote:Well not quite But I've a big chunk of cash on this, more than I can actually afford to lose but it's like buying money.

If this turns out to be a repeat of the Martinez fight I have a one way ticket to the poor house.

Come on Micky, do it for England

what the hell has this got to do with the fight ? Hate when pudenda bring nationality into it .Wanker

Think the OP was only having a friendly dig.
hence the
Im English and want Katsidas to win. Not because Burns is Scottish but because im a massive Katsidas fan

ryanst1982 wrote:

Alba wrote:

Hagler2002 wrote:Well not quite But I've a big chunk of cash on this, more than I can actually afford to lose but it's like buying money.

If this turns out to be a repeat of the Martinez fight I have a one way ticket to the poor house.

Come on Micky, do it for England

what the hell has this got to do with the fight ? Hate when pudenda bring nationality into it .Wanker

Think the OP was only having a friendly dig.
hence the
Im English and want Katsidas to win. Not because Burns is Scottish but because im a massive Katsidas fan

You kuala lovin' Kangeroo shagging turncoat.

Well im glad your convinced its like printing money.

Im confident Ricky will beat him points and fancy a good punt on it.

All the best. 2k to gamble when you cant afford to lose on KATSIDIS is very foolish.

get the wheelbarrow hagler!

Im figuring out the best line to take on this one but your bet has probably shifted the odds

Riddick Blowe wrote:get the wheelbarrow hagler!

Im figuring out the best line to take on this one but your bet has probably shifted the odds

I just had a look tonight at the prices, the stoppage is generally 11/10 and odds on with some bookies I got 2/1. I'm on at 9/10 for the outright some firms are now going 1/2

I've backed Katsidis in a treble alongside Groves to beat Smith and Chisora to beat Big Larry. Odds of 2.6 with Betfred. Reckon Groves and Chisora are virtual certainties and Katsidis should have way to much for Burns.

yid14 wrote: You kuala lovin' Kangeroo shagging turncoat.

Ha ha. Whats a Kuala?

People are forgetting how fast Burns is. Agree he's not a big puncher but as a boxer, he's 10 times better than the Kat. The Kat just marches forward and throws big bombs. I fully expect Ricky to move to well and punch to fast in this fight.

ryanst1982 wrote:

yid14 wrote: You kuala lovin' Kangeroo shagging turncoat.

Ha ha. Whats a Kuala?

It's a koala spelt quickly Do you know they sleep for upto 20 hours a day because they're always eating the eucalypt leaves and it makes them sleepy, lucky f*ckers.

Apparently Burns looking terrific at 135 Hagler

yid14 wrote:

ryanst1982 wrote:

yid14 wrote: You kuala lovin' Kangeroo shagging turncoat.

Ha ha. Whats a Kuala?

It's a koala spelt quickly Do you know they sleep for upto 20 hours a day because they're always eating the eucalypt leaves and it makes them sleepy, lucky f*ckers.

They need to get out and start looking for work. Lazy sponging parasites them koalas

G0mez wrote:Apparently Burns looking terrific at 135 Hagler

There hardly going to say he looks terrible are they

SteveDow wrote:I've backed Katsidis in a treble alongside Groves to beat Smith and Chisora to beat Big Larry. Odds of 2.6 with Betfred. Reckon Groves and Chisora are virtual certainties and Katsidis should have way to much for Burns.

Be interesting to see how that comes off.....Groves should win, but Smith is a very live under dog, so that's a probable, but not a cert...Chisora looks a dead cert - and Kat/Burns could go wrong for the Aussie too. Surely his only chance here is to knock Burns out cold - and that might not happen, as Ricky has been in with decent hitters like Carl J and Gomez - and while they are nowhere near the class of the Aussie, they hit hard enough to show that Burns has a decent chin ( think he was down against Arthur though...body shots was it ? )
Kat's face tends to mark up badly, so Burns has a chance to get the late TKO, if he can fend off Kat for the first half.