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anyway I only have a strong hunch who Foreman's"friend"was.
But today Im now 99.9 percent sure who"Annie Mitchell"was.

bollox wrote:In Don King's own words he came with the champ and he left with the champ. For Foreman Frazier 1, Joe brought him along as a hanger on. Don sat near frazier's corner and as the fight progressed he moved further and further away from Frazier's corner and by the fight's end he was in George's corner. That about typifies Don King to me, not giving a stuff about anyone but himself. Oh, and his use of (again, his own words)....."trickerations")

Don King in a nut shell, he even brags about it.

BoxBuzz wrote:

hhaehre wrote:

BoxBuzz wrote: Jimmy Young kept poking his head outside the ropes.......that could not have instilled confidence in any Young supporter on that night, and may have spelled out the outcome. He may have no one to blame but himself , which could explain some of that mystery (for the open minded.)

Ali beat Foreman fair and square, just as he beat Doug Jones and Shavers but he lost decisively to Norton in 76 and he also lost decisively to Young. Nothing is going to change that, least of all Young sticking his head outside the ropes a few times. Ali's holding vs. Frazier in their second fight was much more blatant but Joe got no favors from the referee or from the judges that night.

You obviously missed the part where the ref gives Joe an early break based on getting a bit wobbled. Go back and have a gander at that.

Didn't miss it and it's a fair point but you know as well as I that there is no way in hell Ali stops Frazier early so it was hardly a deciding factor in the fight. Alis holding was.

BoxBuzz wrote: Also, it's entirely possible that judges were swayed by Young's behavior. But just like Marquez vs Pac, it may well have been because no one wanted to kill the goose that was laying golden eggs.

I think it was used as an excuse after the fact. Even if you deduct a few points from Young's tally he still wins the fight.

BTW I dont think it was Don King,James Brown,B.B King or any of the Spinners,that Foreman was talking about.Maybe someone here who has his autobiography
BY GEORGE, can transcribe the paragraph here?

Brutu wrote:BTW I dont think it was Don King,James Brown,B.B King or any of the Spinners,that Foreman was talking about.Maybe someone here who has his autobiography
BY GEORGE, can transcribe the paragraph here?

Maybe it was God, only George didn't get the message until after the Young fight.

Oooh, ooh, was it Jesus?

EDIT: Bollocks, someone's made that joke. Sorry.

hhaehre wrote:

BoxBuzz wrote:

hhaehre wrote: Ali beat Foreman fair and square, just as he beat Doug Jones and Shavers but he lost decisively to Norton in 76 and he also lost decisively to Young. Nothing is going to change that, least of all Young sticking his head outside the ropes a few times. Ali's holding vs. Frazier in their second fight was much more blatant but Joe got no favors from the referee or from the judges that night.

You obviously missed the part where the ref gives Joe an early break based on getting a bit wobbled. Go back and have a gander at that.

Didn't miss it and it's a fair point but you know as well as I that there is no way in hell Ali stops Frazier early so it was hardly a deciding factor in the fight. Alis holding was.

BoxBuzz wrote: Also, it's entirely possible that judges were swayed by Young's behavior. But just like Marquez vs Pac, it may well have been because no one wanted to kill the goose that was laying golden eggs.

I think it was used as an excuse after the fact. Even if you deduct a few points from Young's tally he still wins the fight.

And yet the judges did not see it that way on that day. Case for appeal?

Has anyone here tried to figure out who it was that George Foreman was talking about in his autobiography BY GEORGE?
He had said inhis book that he cant even remember the individuals name anymore that it affected him that much.
Apparently he is mentally blocking it out.
However over the years Ive been wondering who it was that may have cost him the fight.
At first i thought it may have been Scatman Crothers(but was he even at the fight in Zaire ?)

But in the last couple of years I have come to the conclusion that this may have been the man here,
and he difinately was sitting ringside at THE RUMBLE IN THE JUNGLE in October 1974.

(*Caution this is only a guess on my part so I could be wrong about it of course,and I aint naming no names either,
and for all I know I may be linking to wrong youtube video below that Im using as a(possible) clue).

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4plU6BeKRSM

I read the reason Foreman lost was because he came up with the idea of the George Foreman Grill before the fight and was distracted thinking about it.

I'm surprised George Foreman didn't blame Al Qaeda for his loss to Ali, even though they didn't exist in 1974.

Brutu wrote:Has anyone here tried to figure out who it was that George Foreman was talking about in his autobiography BY GEORGE?
He had said inhis book that he cant even remember the individuals name anymore that it affected him that much.
Apparently he is mentally blocking it out.
However over the years Ive been wondering who it was that may have cost him the fight.
At first i thought it may have been Scatman Crothers(but was he even at the fight in Zaire ?)

But in the last couple of years I have come to the conclusion that this may have been the man here,
and he difinately was sitting ringside at THE RUMBLE IN THE JUNGLE in October 1974.

(*Caution this is only a guess on my part so I could be wrong about it of course,and I aint naming no names either,
and for all I know I may be linking to wrong youtube video below that Im using as a(possible) clue).

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4plU6BeKRSM

I think I came to the conclusion as to whom it was that had been George Foreman's "Friend" shortly after I saw this movie back in 2008.Actually when I saw it again on dvd,and noticed someone was missing in the entire movie!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=omdJ-0qZbSA

Here is a newspaper article published some 15 months after the fight,that gives Archie Moore's
opinion as to what went wrong in Zaire.
February-26-1976.

http://news.google.com/newspapers?id=hG ... 2824433&dq

My guess-Burgess Meredith

CNorkusJr wrote:My guess-Burgess Meredith

What makes you say that?

I think Foreman was just really paronoid at this point,in no so small part due to some of Dick Sadler's reportedly somewhat shadey acquantices and buisness dealings he had made earlier on behalf of George Foreman.
Foreman had also mentioned in his autobiography that right when he was in the ring
getting ready to fight Ali in Zaire ,Sadler brought a small water bottle and had him drink from it.
Foreman said he took a swig as usuall,but then spit it out and almost yelled,
"This tastes like medicine!"its medacine! and brushed the bottle aside.
"Same water as usual" Dick Sadler said.
I think Sadler may have had some amphetimines or asma medicine in it to try and help Foreman to win myself,
but didnt tell him about it,because he knew Foreman was basicaly honest and would not resort to cheating.

Didnt Saddler join Team Ali after that fight? Am I recalling that right?

Foreman fired Dick Sadler,Sandy Saddler and Archie Moore right after he lost in Zaire.
(and the check Foreman had written out to Sadler shortly afterwards bounced too from what I heard)
Dick Sadler can be seen in Ali's corner during the Chuck Wepner fight and Ali
claimed that he was on Ali's team,but that may just have been a jab to annoy Foreman.

A complete stab in the dark...Murad Muhammad

"Foreman was basicaly honest and would not resort to cheating." Brutu



Please excuse me while I throw up.

Please excuse the rest of us while we crack up :)

I think I figured out who it may have been,but deleted the answer a couple years ago.
(mainly because I didnt want to get sued).

On what grounds do you think you could be sued? It's not damaging to claim that someone was a friend of George Foreman's, nor that they shouted at a boxing match. You can't get sued just for saying someone might have done something innocuous that they didn't actually do.

Caractacus wrote:I think I figured out who it may have been,but deleted the answer a couple years ago.
(mainly because I didnt want to get sued).

Can I call you Brutu now?

Anyway your never getting sued...so please, enlighten me. Who is it? I think the Burgess Meredith suggestion was good.

Ickyboo

I think I know who it was.