Haye v Vitali...

[stujones]

Sorry, I think some people misunterpreted my post. I don't mind the match up - there isn't much out there for Vitali (although I do think Povetkin is better option). However, I think it will be better for the game if Vitali does beat Haye.

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Well it looks like the fight is going to happen on March 3rd in Germany. Whether you are in favour of the fight being made or not and regardless of your feelings about Haye, what do you think is the best way he can win the fight?

I'm fairly split on this.

On the one hand it seems like an impossible task to stop Vitali and therefore taking an ultra-aggressive approach and trying to blast him out inside the first few rounds would appear foolish and way too risky given the power Vitali also possesses. However at the same time, given that the fight is in Germany and given the fact that Vitali is a better technical boxer than Haye and coupled with his obvious height, weight and reach advantages, I can't see that an in and out, box and move approach would work either as I don't think that he would be able to execute this across an entire fight despite his speed advantage.

All in all, it is a huge task that faces Haye and in reality he probably can't win the fight but I feel that the only way to give himself any sort of chance is to come out swinging bombs. I appreciate that this is unlikely to happen or work if he did adopt this tactic but I don't really see any other way he can win. He should have adopted those tactics against Wlad and I wonder whether Booth will implore him to be much more aggressive this time around.

Thoughts?

I can see what you're saying, but I believe the opposite.

Contrary to popular belief, I don't think Haye punches as hard at HW as he thinks he does.

He can punch, make no mistake, but I don't think he possesses the concussive one shot power at HW that would be necessary to topple someone like Vitali.

I can't see him winning, but I believe his best shot is to run & use his speed.

[Bard of Boxrec]

As I said, Corrie Sanders and Lennox hit Vitali with their best shots and he didn't go down. Vs Sanders got hit by about three of the type of punches that marmalised his brother and stuck around. Haye has zero chance of hurting him. Zero.

I wouldn't be surprised if this ended pretty quickly. Vitali will come out jabbing and throwing the right hand. Haye was only able to last against Wlad because Wlad threw so little. This time, Haye will have nowhere to hide. He'll be in with a 6'7 piece of granite throwing hell at him.

[Autobarn]

haye retires and unretires like he's flipping sugar ray leonard.

unless haye puts in a big performance, i don't care. in which case, it's after the fight, and they won't have had my money.

maybe on the plus side, vitali isn't frightened of getting hit, like his brother, and won't be doing all that feinting and holding. but on the other hand, he'll be more assertive, which is bad for haye, who seems to fight the big heavyweights with the same strategy, i.e. peck and move...

[earsjohn]

haye retires and unretires like he's flipping sugar ray leonard.

Hardly!

He retired on the date he said all along that he was planning to retire on. But even at the time he said he would reconsider if there was an option to fight a Klitschko. Now it seems that option has come to fruition, he's coming out of retirement.

[Grays_Dan]

Flights from Stansted to Dusseldorf are £55 for that weekend

[Finn]

Flights from Stansted to Dusseldorf are £55 for that weekend

Whos that with mate i looked last night and from birmingham its £78 return to dusseldorf 1hour 22 minute flight but i only had a quick ganders, me and my mates are heading up real early on the saturday morning and flying back hanging out our arses on the sunday. If the fight happens.

[jamesmcdonnell]

If you dont like it, dont effin watch it.

I dont know what people are moaning about, Haye v Vitali is the biggest fight out there for the heavyweight division. Even if you think Vitali will demolish him, Haye is still the biggest threat out there, so it makes sense, who else would you rather see Vitali fight, honestly?

I really hope Haye does not talk himself out of a deal here. He has an opportunity to redeem himself and should take whatever he can get as the chance wont come again.

To the fight itself, Vitali is slower than Wlad, both in foot movement and hand speed. He carries his hands lower than his younger brother, and is more agressive in opening up, all of which could play in Haye's favour. I give him a better chance at getting his shots of against Vitali, which would at least make the fight entertaining. Still, its hard to imagine him KO'ing Vitali.

Actually disagree here, Vitali has quicker hands than Wlad and also throws a lot more punches.

I think Wlad and Vitali are both quicker than Haye, Haye was consistently beaten to the punch by Wlad. Haye isn't that quick, his shots are winging wide shots which are pretty easy for a good heavyweight who can fight from range to anticipate.

What has Haye done to deserve this fight? He hasn't even fought since a fight where he lost every single round against Wladimir.

I most certainly wont be watching this dross.

[jamesmcdonnell]

Well it looks like the fight is going to happen on March 3rd in Germany. Whether you are in favour of the fight being made or not and regardless of your feelings about Haye, what do you think is the best way he can win the fight?

I'm fairly split on this.

On the one hand it seems like an impossible task to stop Vitali and therefore taking an ultra-aggressive approach and trying to blast him out inside the first few rounds would appear foolish and way too risky given the power Vitali also possesses. However at the same time, given that the fight is in Germany and given the fact that Vitali is a better technical boxer than Haye and coupled with his obvious height, weight and reach advantages, I can't see that an in and out, box and move approach would work either as I don't think that he would be able to execute this across an entire fight despite his speed advantage.

All in all, it is a huge task that faces Haye and in reality he probably can't win the fight but I feel that the only way to give himself any sort of chance is to come out swinging bombs. I appreciate that this is unlikely to happen or work if he did adopt this tactic but I don't really see any other way he can win. He should have adopted those tactics against Wlad and I wonder whether Booth will implore him to be much more aggressive this time around.

Thoughts?

I can see what you're saying, but I believe the opposite.

Contrary to popular belief, I don't think Haye punches as hard at HW as he thinks he does.

He can punch, make no mistake, but I don't think he possesses the concussive one shot power at HW that would be necessary to topple someone like Vitali.

I can't see him winning, but I believe his best shot is to run & use his speed.

I dont even think Haye is that fast. He was faster than Valuev, Ruiz and Barrett, but Vitali is quicker than all these three, in fact I would argue that in terms of effective speed, Vitali is quicker than Haye, even in recent fights the number of shots he throws is extremely impressive. Vitali has very underrated hand speed.

[jamesmcdonnell]

Flights from Stansted to Dusseldorf are £55 for that weekend

Whos that with mate i looked last night and from birmingham its £78 return to dusseldorf 1hour 22 minute flight but i only had a quick ganders, me and my mates are heading up real early on the saturday morning and flying back hanging out our arses on the sunday. If the fight happens.

why? do you like being ripped off?

[Londonirish]

Flights from Stansted to Dusseldorf are £55 for that weekend

Whos that with mate i looked last night and from birmingham its £78 return to dusseldorf 1hour 22 minute flight but i only had a quick ganders, me and my mates are heading up real early on the saturday morning and flying back hanging out our arses on the sunday. If the fight happens.

why? do you like being ripped off?

Thinking the same thing... Cant understand after last preformance why you'd want to go

[Finn]

Whos that with mate i looked last night and from birmingham its £78 return to dusseldorf 1hour 22 minute flight but i only had a quick ganders, me and my mates are heading up real early on the saturday morning and flying back hanging out our arses on the sunday. If the fight happens.

why? do you like being ripped off?

Thinking the same thing... Cant understand after last preformance why you'd want to go

I've got valid reasons

1. good excuse for a lads piss up
2. its not that much money
3. im a haye fan one poor peformance doesnt define a career - ending on one does
4. i was born and spent half my life in germany so it would be nice to go over again

If the only reason to spend £250 - £300 quid was to go and watch say haye v wlad i would have felt ripped off, like the saps who paid £2k to go and watch england in the last world cup, but put all the reasons together and you've got a memorable weekend. Plus i think haye will do us proud this time win or loose.

[Final round]

Vitali wants it, David wants it, Boxing fans want it!

- a few grumpy bastards

[Karl Jade]

If only Haye could borrow Lennox Lewis' size, power, technical ability and bravery for the night.

Either a borefest Vitali UD or Haye's leaving in an ambulance.

[Final round]

Remember this look 2012





Wladamir tasted it and didn't like it.

[exittored]

why? do you like being ripped off?

Thinking the same thing... Cant understand after last preformance why you'd want to go

I've got valid reasons

1. good excuse for a lads piss up
2. its not that much money
3. im a haye fan one poor peformance doesnt define a career - ending on one does
4. i was born and spent half my life in germany so it would be nice to go over again

If the only reason to spend £250 - £300 quid was to go and watch say haye v wlad i would have felt ripped off, like the saps who paid £2k to go and watch england in the last world cup, but put all the reasons together and you've got a memorable weekend. Plus i think haye will do us proud this time win or loose.

Yeah i may try to get to Germany for this fight as well.

Personally i didn't even think his performance against Wlad was quite as bad as others make out and he certainly had his moments although his biggest mistake was assuming he'd have a massive hand and foot speed advantage over Wlad when in reality there wasn't much in it.

Also there is no way he needs to come back just for the money, he must have made around £15 million just for his Heavyweight fights alone. I'm sure he genuinely wants this fight as much because he thinks he can win then to erase peoples memories of his last fight.

[Karl Jade]

He just wants to continue milking his fraudulent career - and his dense fanbase - for all it's worth, man.

You're like battered wives; you'll never learn.

[jamesmcdonnell]

Thinking the same thing... Cant understand after last preformance why you'd want to go

I've got valid reasons

1. good excuse for a lads piss up
2. its not that much money
3. im a haye fan one poor peformance doesnt define a career - ending on one does
4. i was born and spent half my life in germany so it would be nice to go over again

If the only reason to spend £250 - £300 quid was to go and watch say haye v wlad i would have felt ripped off, like the saps who paid £2k to go and watch england in the last world cup, but put all the reasons together and you've got a memorable weekend. Plus i think haye will do us proud this time win or loose.

Yeah i may try to get to Germany for this fight as well.

Personally i didn't even think his performance against Wlad was quite as bad as others make out and he certainly had his moments although his biggest mistake was assuming he'd have a massive hand and foot speed advantage over Wlad when in reality there wasn't much in it.

Also there is no way he needs to come back just for the money, he must have made around £15 million just for his Heavyweight fights alone. I'm sure he genuinely wants this fight as much because he thinks he can win then to erase peoples memories of his last fight.

ever heard of greed?

[Grays_Dan]

Flights from Stansted to Dusseldorf are £55 for that weekend

Whos that with mate i looked last night and from birmingham its £78 return to dusseldorf 1hour 22 minute flight but i only had a quick ganders, me and my mates are heading up real early on the saturday morning and flying back hanging out our arses on the sunday. If the fight happens.[/quote

Ryainair flying on the Friday coming back on the Sunday.

http://www.bookryanair.com/SkySales/FRCustomSelect.aspx

[Finn]

He just wants to continue milking his fraudulent career - and his dense fanbase - for all it's worth, man.

You're like battered wives; you'll never learn.

The fight will be on past your bedtime anyway Karl.

[yiddo14]

Top excuse for a weekend away.

[allahsnackbar]

so transparent that haye is merely going to perform the same way as he did in the wlad fight and take his millions

british mugs will fall for it anyway

[NazNaci1]

8)

[NazNaci1]

In what way are 'British Mugs' going to 'fall for it'? What exactly? Paying to watch it? Or posting how Haye will win by KO?

Haye might fight Vitali for the title and earn a shit ton of cash. As a boxer, would you not do the same?

Blaming a few 'British Mugs' is a pretty stupid and sweeping generalisation.

[allahsnackbar]

In what way are 'British Mugs' going to 'fall for it'? What exactly? Paying to watch it? Or posting how Haye will win by KO?

Yes to both.

Haye will be coming for the paycheck and will talk obscene amounts of sh*te which the mugs will fall for and pay 15 quid to see.