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MachoMan09 wrote: I've been responsible for taking lives - deliberately and unintentionally - on a number of occasions and unless you go about dealing with that responsibility in an appropriate manner it can be a huge burden; sometimes soon after the event other times years after. From my experience, the guys who try and take the "it's not my fault, if he didn't want killing he shouldn't have been involved, shouldn't have been there etc" line are often the ones who struggle most, because it's a flawed standpoint. Accepting that is a positive action.

Wrists wrote:There may be truth in what Macho has said, I dont know

However, did it really need to be said, why the need for a debate??

A man has died thats all that matters.

MachoMan09 wrote:

Crazyboy wrote:

MachoMan09 wrote: It's partly his fault.

Silly thing to say.....no one forces anyone into this game, its your OWN choice.

So, in your opinion, a guy who repeatedly punches another guy in the head, with every intention of doing him harm, is in no way responsible for any of the injuries his punches inflict? I find that utterly illogical.

fatcity69 wrote:

MachoMan09 wrote:

Crazyboy wrote: Silly thing to say.....no one forces anyone into this game, its your OWN choice.

So, in your opinion, a guy who repeatedly punches another guy in the head, with every intention of doing him harm, is in no way responsible for any of the injuries his punches inflict? I find that utterly illogical.

And I find your comments utterly illogical and disrespectful, not to mention downright stupid!. What are you doing on a boxing forum anyway if you expect boxers not to hit eachother fool!...

Glyn Leach wrote:

fatcity69 wrote:

MachoMan09 wrote: So, in your opinion, a guy who repeatedly punches another guy in the head, with every intention of doing him harm, is in no way responsible for any of the injuries his punches inflict? I find that utterly illogical.

And I find your comments utterly illogical and disrespectful, not to mention downright stupid!. What are you doing on a boxing forum anyway if you expect boxers not to hit eachother fool!...

Don't agree at all. Extremely thoughtful comments from Macho IMO and I echo those who have congratulated him for making them. And I think this is being discussed rather than debated, nothing disrespectful about it as far as I'm concerned. Insightful and uncomfortable, but nor disrespectful

Final round wrote:This is a tribute thread to a fallen warrior killed putting his life on the line in a sport we love.(Although when deaths happen or life changing injuries occur I do question my love of it a little)

To me it doesn't seem appropriate to be discussing who was to blame, how it feels,and how they deal with it etc in the same thread maybe another thread dealing with these subjects in general would be better .

fatcity69 wrote:

Final round wrote:This is a tribute thread to a fallen warrior killed putting his life on the line in a sport we love.(Although when deaths happen or life changing injuries occur I do question my love of it a little)

To me it doesn't seem appropriate to be discussing who was to blame, how it feels,and how they deal with it etc in the same thread maybe another thread dealing with these subjects in general would be better .

Exactly.

Glyn Leach wrote: And boxers are conditioned to keep going until a third party intervenes.

MachoMan09 wrote:

iftkwoody wrote:

MachoMan09 wrote:I firmly believe there is a marked difference between 'blaming' oneself for another person's death and 'accepting' responsibility for the part you played in it. Being willing and able to do the latter is the healthiest way of dealing with something that can have an seriously detrimental impact on your life. Trying to convince yourself that 'it wasn't my fault' doesn't work. Far better to rationalise that 'I was responsible but this is why...and I'm good with that'.

This makes more sense than saying it was partly his fault. It wasnt in any way his fault he did not try and kill him and at no point was it his intention to do so. Saying things like that are just ridiculous you say about "does anyone actually take time to think about the fighter that died" but you clearly haven't thought about the guy that has done this to a fellow sportsman. He has to live the rest of his life knowing that he was in a fight that ended with his opponent dying. Yes it was his punches that caused the damage and yes he was trying to render his opponent unconscious but it doesn't make it his fault in any way. As stated it is our choice to get in the ring we know the risks and we decide to put our lives on the line for our love of the game we chose to play. Some of the things you have said in this thread make me wonder if your on the wrong forum. I'm sure there is forums for golf, football or even chess perhaps that would be more appealing to you. Someone mentioned that the arguing is bringing the thread down but I feel you have to expect it on such a thread as there is always someone who is going to try and be different to try and split opinions although I think in this case you are greatly outnumbered on views. I fought 2 weeks ago and stopped the guy in the first round I felt terrible after as the guy needed urgent attention from paramedics thankfully he was fine afterwards but like I said I felt awful after. My thoughts are with the guy who dieds family but also with the other fighter in what must be an horrendous time he is going through. Nuff said hopefully we don't hear of anything like this ever again.

Perhaps it's an issue of semantics. I'm of the belief that if you are responsible for an act that causes damage or injuries to another person, you are at fault. In this case, I'm (obviously) not implying wrongdoing, though. However, by implying that I haven't thought about Sergei Kovalev, you couldn't be more wrong. He's the first person I thought about and the primary reason I initially contributed to this topic. I've been responsible for taking lives - deliberately and unintentionally - on a number of occasions and unless you go about dealing with that responsibility in an appropriate manner it can be a huge burden; sometimes soon after the event other times years after. From my experience, the guys who try and take the "it's not my fault, if he didn't want killing he shouldn't have been involved, shouldn't have been there etc" line are often the ones who struggle most, because it's a flawed standpoint. If you pulled the trigger, called in the air-strike, threw the punch... of course it's your fault (partly or wholly). Accepting that is a positive action.

As to the "I'm sure there is forums for golf, football or even chess perhaps that would be more appealing to you" jibe. Don't be a dick.