mrpedigree wrote:I loved Roy Jones growing up but when you look back now he never was the linear champ in any division ,he avoided the linear champions at LHW and HW ,You cant get from the fact these are facts that damage his resume .
he beat the man at the weight Toney, he beat Nard.
At MW/SM he was and will always be the man in my opnion!
mrpedigree wrote:I loved Roy Jones growing up but when you look back now he never was the linear champ in any division ,he avoided the linear champions at LHW and HW ,You cant get from the fact these are facts that damage his resume .
he beat the man at the weight Toney, he beat Nard.
At MW/SM he was and will always be the man in my opnion!
The Hopkins fight was meaningless imo. They were both green and it was their first bout for a belt.
mrpedigree wrote:I loved Roy Jones growing up but when you look back now he never was the linear champ in any division ,he avoided the linear champions at LHW and HW ,You cant get from the fact these are facts that damage his resume .
he beat the man at the weight Toney, he beat Nard.
At MW/SM he was and will always be the man in my opnion!
100 % agree
Jones never claimed to be the best outside middle or super !
but at the time no man come close in his division.
observer1 wrote:The Hopkins fight was meaningless imo. They were both green and it was their first bout for a belt.
The Toney bout on the hand stands out.
A ridiculous thing to say, I take it you weren't watching boxing back then? Green? Jones was boxing regularly on HBO. He beat the dangerous future world champ Jorge Castro without breaking a sweat. He beat ex-champ Jorge Vaca in a round. He was taking on guys who would go 12 in world title fights and whack them. In his very next fight after Hopkins he would effortlessly become the only man to KO Sugarboy Malinga, with one punch, after Malinga had been robbed in England against experienced champs Benn and Eubank? Green? No way.
And Hopkins green at 22-1? He was USBA champ and had battered Dennis Milton, beaten Gilbert Baptiste who was a decent fighter, even back then some of his fights were on ITV, he wasn't considered some nobody. I'm no RJJ freak but in my opinion no version of Hopkins could deal with a prime Roy Jones.
I'm always surprised at the way his drug tests are overlooked. I loved Jones in his prime but can't put him up there amongst the all time greats with a drug cloud hanging over him, likewise Holyfield. I understand that both Jones and Holyfield built their palaces in sh1tty areas so can't even sell them to help with their financial problems.
mrpedigree wrote:I loved Roy Jones growing up but when you look back now he never was the linear champ in any division ,he avoided the linear champions at LHW and HW ,You cant get from the fact these are facts that damage his resume .
While Michalczewski was his nearest rival, that was only because he appeared to be the one guy at the weight who had a GLIMMER of a hope of beating him, but he would have been a huge underdog and presuming Jones beat him, I don't see how that would have added a great deal to his resume. When you look at his record "where is Michalczewski" hardly screams off the page.
As for Lewis, while Jones toyed with staying at heavyweight for a while, I don't think his excursion into the division was ever meant to be more than an interesting detour in his career rather than part of the main path. Thus, not fighting Lewis does not detract from his achievements either.
It's hard to picture it being 'epic' given Michalczewski's level of opp. Look at how Jones handled Virgil Hill. Michalczewski's bum of the month run ending of a one sided loss to Gonzalez who RJJ had badly beaten up underlines how superior Jones was.
loaded_gloves wrote:Careful mate, Holyfield has never failed a drugs test in 27 years of pro boxing. Roy Jones has.
I know, but neither have Shane Mosley or Marion Jones, both self-confessed drug cheats. The association with BALCO is damaging IMO. And boxing's drug testing is abysmal to be honest.
loaded_gloves wrote:Careful mate, Holyfield has never failed a drugs test in 27 years of pro boxing. Roy Jones has.
I know, but neither have Shane Mosley or Marion Jones, both self-confessed drug cheats. The association with BALCO is damaging IMO. And boxing's drug testing is abysmal to be honest.
They were both caught out, they did not decide to admit being drug cheats out of the goodness of their own hearts.
No Roy Jones hasn't failed a drugs test.... one sample was deemed to have illegal levels of a banned substance. However, in order to fail a drugs test the B test also needs to test positive - the B test is a the same piss, pissed in a different bottle. This one (and Hall's) passed.
observer1 wrote:The Hopkins fight was meaningless imo. They were both green and it was their first bout for a belt.
The Toney bout on the hand stands out.
A ridiculous thing to say, I take it you weren't watching boxing back then? Green? Jones was boxing regularly on HBO. He beat the dangerous future world champ Jorge Castro without breaking a sweat. He beat ex-champ Jorge Vaca in a round. He was taking on guys who would go 12 in world title fights and whack them. In his very next fight after Hopkins he would effortlessly become the only man to KO Sugarboy Malinga, with one punch, after Malinga had been robbed in England against experienced champs Benn and Eubank? Green? No way.
And Hopkins green at 22-1? He was USBA champ and had battered Dennis Milton, beaten Gilbert Baptiste who was a decent fighter, even back then some of his fights were on ITV, he wasn't considered some nobody. I'm no RJJ freak but in my opinion no version of Hopkins could deal with a prime Roy Jones.
Jorge Castro,Jorge Vaca ? A nut hugger for sure ! Roy Jones never was the linear champ in any division that he campaigned at
observer1 wrote:The Hopkins fight was meaningless imo. They were both green and it was their first bout for a belt.
The Toney bout on the hand stands out.
A ridiculous thing to say, I take it you weren't watching boxing back then? Green? Jones was boxing regularly on HBO. He beat the dangerous future world champ Jorge Castro without breaking a sweat. He beat ex-champ Jorge Vaca in a round. He was taking on guys who would go 12 in world title fights and whack them. In his very next fight after Hopkins he would effortlessly become the only man to KO Sugarboy Malinga, with one punch, after Malinga had been robbed in England against experienced champs Benn and Eubank? Green? No way.
And Hopkins green at 22-1? He was USBA champ and had battered Dennis Milton, beaten Gilbert Baptiste who was a decent fighter, even back then some of his fights were on ITV, he wasn't considered some nobody. I'm no RJJ freak but in my opinion no version of Hopkins could deal with a prime Roy Jones.
Jorge Castro,Jorge Vaca ? A nut hugger for sure ! Roy Jones never was the linear champ in any division that he campaigned at
Correct but he was the man in MW SM LH and thats more important than Belts, linear or otherwise.
loaded_gloves wrote:
A ridiculous thing to say, I take it you weren't watching boxing back then? Green? Jones was boxing regularly on HBO. He beat the dangerous future world champ Jorge Castro without breaking a sweat. He beat ex-champ Jorge Vaca in a round. He was taking on guys who would go 12 in world title fights and whack them. In his very next fight after Hopkins he would effortlessly become the only man to KO Sugarboy Malinga, with one punch, after Malinga had been robbed in England against experienced champs Benn and Eubank? Green? No way.
And Hopkins green at 22-1? He was USBA champ and had battered Dennis Milton, beaten Gilbert Baptiste who was a decent fighter, even back then some of his fights were on ITV, he wasn't considered some nobody. I'm no RJJ freak but in my opinion no version of Hopkins could deal with a prime Roy Jones.
Jorge Castro,Jorge Vaca ? A nut hugger for sure ! Roy Jones never was the linear champ in any division that he campaigned at
Correct but he was the man in MW SM LH and thats more important than Belts, linear or otherwise.
Best ever to lace em up.
stop talking out your sorry grassin arse ...he never fought the best in any of the divisions he beat his chest over ...he claimed to be the best light heavy weight eva born yet he ducked Michalczewski ,the WBA ,WBO ,IBF and Ring Magazine Linear Lt Heavyweight Champion...he did the same in the lighter super middle weight division ,he claimed to be the best in that weight division and still he ducked the linear contenders/champions in that divisions
Michael Nunn
Gerald McClellan
Nigel Benn
Chris Eubank
Steve Collins
and you still wanna mention the likes of Jorge Castro,Jorge Vaca ??
BewhahahahahA ...YOU ARE A SAD FCUKER LOL
Personally I think the word Linear gets thrown around way too much. Shannon Briggs was once the Linear Champ at heavyweight, but he was nowhere near the "man" in the division.
Neil Jones Jnr wrote:Personally I think the word Linear gets thrown around way too much. Shannon Briggs was once the Linear Champ at heavyweight, but he was nowhere near the "man" in the division.
Please tell me when Shannon Briggs was the WBA ,WBO ,IBF and Ring Magazine Linear Heavyweight Champion...i must of missed that
mrpedigree wrote:Jorge Castro,Jorge Vaca ? A nut hugger for sure ! Roy Jones never was the linear champ in any division that he campaigned at
Correct but he was the man in MW SM LH and thats more important than Belts, linear or otherwise.
Best ever to lace em up.
stop talking out your sorry grassin arse ...he never fought the best in any of the divisions he beat his chest over ...he claimed to be the best light heavy weight eva born yet he ducked Michalczewski , Bullshit
the WBA ,WBO ,IBF and Ring Magazine Linear Lt Heavyweight Champion...he did the same in the lighter super middle weight division ,he claimed to be the best in that weight division and still he ducked the linear contenders/champions in that divisions
Michael Nunn Bullshit
Gerald McClellan Bullshit
Nigel Benn Bullshit
Chris Eubank Bullshit
Steve Collins Bullshit
and you still wanna mention the likes of Jorge Castro,Jorge Vaca ?? No NARD an Toney BewhahahahahA ...YOU ARE A SAD FCUKER LOL And you are an uncouth childish Xmas day rimmer
Roy Jones is the best ever.. now live with it....oh and ffs pay your taxes!
Jon Saxon wrote:
Correct but he was the man in MW SM LH and thats more important than Belts, linear or otherwise.
Best ever to lace em up.
stop talking out your sorry grassin arse ...he never fought the best in any of the divisions he beat his chest over ...he claimed to be the best light heavy weight eva born yet he ducked Michalczewski , Bullshit
the WBA ,WBO ,IBF and Ring Magazine Linear Lt Heavyweight Champion...he did the same in the lighter super middle weight division ,he claimed to be the best in that weight division and still he ducked the linear contenders/champions in that divisions
Michael Nunn Bullshit
Gerald McClellan Bullshit
Nigel Benn Bullshit
Chris Eubank Bullshit
Steve Collins Bullshit
and you still wanna mention the likes of Jorge Castro,Jorge Vaca ?? No NARD an Toney BewhahahahahA ...YOU ARE A SAD FCUKER LOL And you are an uncouth childish Xmas day rimmer
Roy Jones is the best ever.. now live with it....oh and ffs pay your taxes!
he beat a green b-bop and a weight drained Toney that weighted 200 pound leading up to their fight !
Jon i am surprised you still show your face on here , your just an informer/grass/tale tale tit
Have you been up to your old tricks lately ?
Grassin on members to the mods and saying you might take police action because forum wont do anything about you being bullied and that you felt "threatened" ent very becoming or manly is it ?
crusader wrote:
no, at least I don't think so. And according to several sources his debt problems meant that he didn't get to pocket any money for the rematch with Hopkins
And I would be extremely surprised if he won a legit world tite.
I never knew that, I still can't understand why so many boxers owe huge tax bills, they know exactly what there getting so there for should know exactly what to put aside. It's a shame he still has to fight after everything his done in his career.
Without being disrespectful, I would have thought that a high percentage of proffesional boxers are not exactly clued up on finances and how to protect/manage money.
every fight who earnin knows ya gotta pay ya way when you get a cheque ya know ya gotta pay the tax man
loaded_gloves wrote:It's hard to picture it being 'epic' given Michalczewski's level of opp. Look at how Jones handled Virgil Hill. Michalczewski's bum of the month run ending of a one sided loss to Gonzalez who RJJ had badly beaten up underlines how superior Jones was.
I don't think it does. I truly believe Michalczewski would've caused Roy all sorts of problems. Roy never fancied the fight. I'm not going to get dragged any further into a mythical match-up debate, though. They're a waste of time.
jessi wrote:I noticed he won the vacant ubo intercontinental cruiserweight title over the weekend !
I know the belt is meaningless and he beat someone who hadn't won in 7 fights, but the guys a legend, he must have millions in the bank so is he just doing it for the love of it ?
His one of my favorite fighters of all time and IMO one of the greatest too, I just hope he finishes soon ! Does anyone believe he can still win a genuine world title ?
Regardless off who he beat I always thought that you had to win fights to get title shots. What ever title that might be. Its like you win, a fight, then fight some some a little better and so on until you fight the best and hopefully win the title. Who ever RJJ fought he was doing the oppersite! He was going backwards to go forwards, so the UBO you must like lose all your fights and go backwards, at some point you will have no more backwards to go, so you losr again and go from the back to rejoin the front, then start all over again. Yes I see itnow.
I always felt for some reason that RJJ would be one of the fighters that wouldn't go on too long, on account of his almost supernatural speed & athleticism.
I just felt that as soon as he realised he was becoming a bit more 'mortal', he wouldn't be able to take it & retire with his faculties & wealth, but alas not.
