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Re: British Top 30 P4P January 2012

Posted: 04 Jan 2012, 05:51
by stujones
Horse wrote:
Tko1980 wrote:
Camcas wrote:Macklin is too high and does
n't deserve that ranking. Burns should be ahead of Khan aswell
Totally agree!!! Way to high, we will see how good he is if Martinez comes off
Come on, he isn't way too high. Only a few fighters have a good case for being higher than Macklin.
On being ranked as low as 20 on your list.

Re: British Top 30 P4P January 2012

Posted: 04 Jan 2012, 08:39
by whiskey
Is Ajose British ?

I know that's a little pedantic, but I'd be unsure about his inclusion.

I wouldnt know whether to have him in or not - we might as well slot Proska in too, he lived here for years.

Re: British Top 30 P4P January 2012

Posted: 04 Jan 2012, 10:22
by JDC
I think Bellew should be in the teens at min.

Otherwise nice list

Re: British Top 30 P4P January 2012

Posted: 04 Jan 2012, 11:59
by Horse
stujones wrote:I think an objective list would surely have to have Murray above Macklin now, given Murray drew with Sturm and Macklin lost to Sturm (officially).
I don't agree.
stujones wrote:Top 3 must be very close now. Burns with a solid win, Khan with a tad controvesial loss and Froch with a lopsided loss albeit against the #1 fighter in the devision. I think a case could be made for any one of the 3 being #1.
I don't consider Burns to be on the same level as Khan or Froch, but it can be argued that he is.

Re: British Top 30 P4P January 2012

Posted: 04 Jan 2012, 12:05
by stujones
G0mez wrote:Is Ajose British ?

I know that's a little pedantic, but I'd be unsure about his inclusion.

I wouldnt know whether to have him in or not - we might as well slot Proska in too, he lived here for years.
He was a former British champion - I aint sure though if this is still the case as he is now living in the states I believe.

If eligable, then I would like to see him a little higher. Chabah is a decent boxer, good at European level - Ajose handled him with ease.

Re: British Top 30 P4P January 2012

Posted: 04 Jan 2012, 12:15
by Horse
dutchie wrote:Haye at 4,your having a laugh,he was embarrassing last time out--should be 14!!!
Getting dominated by Wladimir doesn't make him a bad fighter. Those below him haven't been setting the world alight, so I think having him as low as 14th would be far too low.
dutchie wrote:Macklin too high!!!
But who should be higher? Magee, McDonnell, Mitchell, Lee, Brook etc?

Re: British Top 30 P4P January 2012

Posted: 04 Jan 2012, 12:31
by Horse
stujones wrote:
Horse wrote:Come on, he isn't way too high. Only a few fighters have a good case for being higher than Macklin.
On being ranked as low as 20 on your list.
Murray's best win is against who?

Re: British Top 30 P4P January 2012

Posted: 04 Jan 2012, 15:07
by Japp
Martin Murray should be higher ! Considering macklin is sixth , Murray did better than 7 or 8 British fighters , and is still unbeaten

Re: British Top 30 P4P January 2012

Posted: 04 Jan 2012, 18:45
by stujones
Horse wrote:
stujones wrote:
Horse wrote:Come on, he isn't way too high. Only a few fighters have a good case for being higher than Macklin.
On being ranked as low as 20 on your list.
Murray's best win is against who?
Martin Murray drew against Sturm, Macklin lost. Against their major common opponent - Murray did better.

Macklin's great win is against?

Re: British Top 30 P4P January 2012

Posted: 05 Jan 2012, 08:18
by dutchie
Horse wrote:
dutchie wrote:Haye at 4,your having a laugh,he was embarrassing last time out--should be 14!!!
Getting dominated by Wladimir doesn't make him a bad fighter. Those below him haven't been setting the world alight, so I think having him as low as 14th would be far too low.
dutchie wrote:Macklin too high!!!
But who should be higher? Magee, McDonnell, Mitchell, Lee, Brook etc?

Lee and Brook should be ahead of him,lee beat Vera,McEwan and Gibbs all better boxers than anyone Macklin beat!!!

Re: British Top 30 P4P January 2012

Posted: 05 Jan 2012, 12:57
by Horse
G0mez wrote:Is Ajose British ?

I know that's a little pedantic, but I'd be unsure about his inclusion.

I wouldnt know whether to have him in or not - we might as well slot Proska in too, he lived here for years.
Olusegun is a former British champion, so I consider him to be British enough to be in the rankings.

I don't know if Proksa is allowed to fight for the British title, so I don't consider him to be eligible for a place in the rankings.

Re: British Top 30 P4P January 2012

Posted: 05 Jan 2012, 13:13
by Camcas
Horse wrote:
dutchie wrote:Haye at 4,your having a laugh,he was embarrassing last time out--should be 14!!!
Getting dominated by Wladimir doesn't make him a bad fighter. Those below him haven't been setting the world alight, so I think having him as low as 14th would be far too low.
dutchie wrote:Macklin too high!!!
But who should be higher? Magee, McDonnell, Mitchell, Lee, Brook etc?
Magee, Lee, McDonnell, Brook, Mitchell, Afolabi, Murray, Chisora, Munroe

Re: British Top 30 P4P January 2012

Posted: 05 Jan 2012, 13:14
by Horse
JDC wrote:I think Bellew should be in the teens at min.

Otherwise nice list
Bellew did well against Cleverly but he lost and he was not very impressive in his two fights with McKenzie before that.

29th position does seem too low though, hopefully he will fight again soon so I can lift him up the rankings.

Re: British Top 30 P4P January 2012

Posted: 05 Jan 2012, 13:46
by Horse
stujones wrote:He was a former British champion - I aint sure though if this is still the case as he is now living in the states I believe.

If eligable, then I would like to see him a little higher. Chabah is a decent boxer, good at European level - Ajose handled him with ease.
The win against Chebah was good, but Olusegun had only had one decent win in the two years before that, which was his win against Colin Lynes in April 2010.

Re: British Top 30 P4P January 2012

Posted: 05 Jan 2012, 14:38
by Horse
Japp wrote:Martin Murray should be higher ! Considering macklin is sixth , Murray did better than 7 or 8 British fighters , and is still unbeaten
stujones wrote:
Horse wrote:Murray's best win is against who?
Martin Murray drew against Sturm, Macklin lost. Against their major common opponent - Murray did better.

Macklin's great win is against?
I think Macklin and Murray both did about as well as each other against Sturm, so I don't really think Murray did do better.

Macklin's best wins are better than Murray's, does anyone disagree with that?

Re: British Top 30 P4P January 2012

Posted: 08 Jan 2012, 17:41
by Horse
dutchie wrote:
Horse wrote:But who should be higher? Magee, McDonnell, Mitchell, Lee, Brook etc?
Lee and Brook should be ahead of him,lee beat Vera,McEwan and Gibbs all better boxers than anyone Macklin beat!!!
Macklin has beaten Asikainen who was ranked in the Ring magazine top 10 at the time, which is easily better than the Gibbs win and very arguably better than the Vera or McEwan wins, especially considering the nature of Macklin's win and Lee's major Struggle with McEwan.
Camcas wrote:Magee, Lee, McDonnell, Brook, Mitchell, Afolabi, Murray, Chisora, Munroe
I don't see it that way. I think Macklin's controversial loss to Sturm is enough to keep him above those fighters for now.