Caractacus wrote: ↑15 Jul 2023, 13:24
there is a brief clip of it in this.
December 1977
Vysotsky, wearing a red shirt, appears about 15 seconds into the film. He's not the first Soviet seen, who wears a white shirt and gets floored by Page.
The video shows Igor belaboring Page, who ducks, bends, and runs to stay safe. Then we see a new Vysotsky bout, in which he's flooring an American opponent who isn't Page. That second US guy is probably Woody Clark or Jimmy Clark.
Re: Muhammad Ali vs Russian boxers(1978)
Posted: 16 Jul 2023, 12:58
by dawudboxer
Caractacus wrote: ↑13 Jul 2023, 14:30
i remember there was a book published years ago and it listed in the back quite as number of Ali's exhibition fights.
( a few of which were with Scott Ledoux)
It reminded me of Joe Loui's 1977 autobiography that listed his public exhibitions ( but not private exhibitions that he gave during his boxing career)
Damn, I'd love that book, I have the Louis one with the exhibitions in
Thanks so much, I have the RAH match down as being the 25th May 1979.
Re: Muhammad Ali vs Russian boxers(1978)
Posted: 16 Jul 2023, 13:14
by dawudboxer
I know he fought an exhibition with Gardner on 29th May 1979 at the RAH..he also fought Lottie Mwale and Joe Awome...Ali was apparently 250lbs plus...
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Did he box Gardner, Mwale and Awome on the same night? And do you know how many rounds?
Re: Muhammad Ali vs Russian boxers(1978)
Posted: 16 Jul 2023, 13:22
by dawudboxer
I know he fought an exhibition with Gardner on 29th May 1979 at the RAH..he also fought Lottie Mwale and Joe Awome...Ali was apparently 250lbs plus...
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I have it down as the 25th May and Ali was in Denmark on the 27th for another exhibition.
Re: Muhammad Ali vs Russian boxers(1978)
Posted: 16 Jul 2023, 13:24
by dawudboxer
Caractacus wrote: ↑13 Jul 2023, 14:30
i remember there was a book published years ago and it listed in the back quite as number of Ali's exhibition fights.
( a few of which were with Scott Ledoux)
It reminded me of Joe Loui's 1977 autobiography that listed his public exhibitions ( but not private exhibitions that he gave during his boxing career)
If you can remember the name of the book that would be great if you could let me know, thanks so much.
Re: Muhammad Ali vs Russian boxers(1978)
Posted: 16 Jul 2023, 13:27
by dawudboxer
Theres a clip of the fights here as well as his post fight comments with Cosell at the 3:02:52 mark
Re: Muhammad Ali vs Russian boxers(1978)
Posted: 16 Jul 2023, 14:54
by jwfg
Bricks wrote: ↑24 Dec 2012, 08:56
the aussie and his girlfriend
I'm relatively new, who were these posters? Irene and Saad?
Re: Muhammad Ali vs Russian boxers(1978)
Posted: 16 Jul 2023, 17:45
by evrenb
dawudboxer wrote: ↑16 Jul 2023, 13:22
I know he fought an exhibition with Gardner on 29th May 1979 at the RAH..he also fought Lottie Mwale and Joe Awome...Ali was apparently 250lbs plus...
I have it down as the 25th May and Ali was in Denmark on the 27th for another exhibition.
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dawudboxer wrote: ↑16 Jul 2023, 13:22
I know he fought an exhibition with Gardner on 29th May 1979 at the RAH..he also fought Lottie Mwale and Joe Awome...Ali was apparently 250lbs plus...
I have it down as the 25th May and Ali was in Denmark on the 27th for another exhibition.
29th May...Charlie magri was top of the bill
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Thanks, I'll correct it, he must've gone Denmark first
dawudboxer wrote: ↑16 Jul 2023, 13:22
I know he fought an exhibition with Gardner on 29th May 1979 at the RAH..he also fought Lottie Mwale and Joe Awome...Ali was apparently 250lbs plus...
I have it down as the 25th May and Ali was in Denmark on the 27th for another exhibition.
29th May...Charlie magri was top of the bill
[/quote]
He boxed Johnny Frankham on the 19th Oct 1971 at the RAH, and did he box Gardner, Mwale and Awome on the same night in 1979? Thanks
Re: Muhammad Ali vs Russian boxers(1978)
Posted: 16 Jul 2023, 20:07
by Joson
I remember Ali being interviewed in 1978 about fighting the Soviet heavyweights, Vysotsky, Gortschkov, and Zaev.
The sportscaster asked about the often-repeated claim that these Soviets, like their Cuban and Iron Curtain counterparts, were the equivalent of top-rated Western professional fighters, in terms of experience and ability. Ali rebuffed the argument, saying that the Communist stars were "very advanced amateurs" and "not professionals."
I always trusted Ali's judgment on the matter.
Had Stevenson and Vysotsky turned pro, they would have needed two or three years development before accruing the experience necessary to fight the top contenders of that era.
Re: Muhammad Ali vs Russian boxers(1978)
Posted: 16 Jul 2023, 20:11
by dawudboxer
He said it during the commentary he did on the bouts with Howard Cosell.
dawudboxer wrote: ↑16 Jul 2023, 13:22
I know he fought an exhibition with Gardner on 29th May 1979 at the RAH..he also fought Lottie Mwale and Joe Awome...Ali was apparently 250lbs plus...
I have it down as the 25th May and Ali was in Denmark on the 27th for another exhibition.
29th May...Charlie magri was top of the bill
He boxed Johnny Frankham on the 19th Oct 1971 at the RAH, and did he box Gardner, Mwale and Awome on the same night in 1979? Thanks
[/quote]
dawudboxer wrote: ↑17 Jul 2023, 01:47
It doesn't say their names on there
Cl8ck where the date shows highlighted in red 29th May 1979 and there is a full report
Re: Muhammad Ali vs Russian boxers(1978)
Posted: 18 Jul 2023, 17:00
by dawudboxer
I know he fought an exhibition with Gardner on 29th May 1979 at the RAH..he also fought Lottie Mwale and Joe Awome...Ali was apparently 250lbs plus...
[/quote]
Caractacus wrote: ↑13 Jul 2023, 14:30
i remember there was a book published years ago and it listed in the back quite as number of Ali's exhibition fights.
( a few of which were with Scott Ledoux)
It reminded me of Joe Loui's 1977 autobiography that listed his public exhibitions ( but not private exhibitions that he gave during his boxing career)
Damn, I'd love that book, I have the Louis one with the exhibitions in
I think the book I may be referring to that lists all of Ali's public exhibitions is,
THE MAMMOTH BOOK OF MUHAMMAD ALI
( but don't quote me on that )
Caractacus wrote: ↑13 Jul 2023, 14:30
i remember there was a book published years ago and it listed in the back quite as number of Ali's exhibition fights.
( a few of which were with Scott Ledoux)
It reminded me of Joe Loui's 1977 autobiography that listed his public exhibitions ( but not private exhibitions that he gave during his boxing career)
Damn, I'd love that book, I have the Louis one with the exhibitions in
I think the book I may be referring to that lists all of Ali's public exhibitions is,
THE MAMMOTH BOOK OF MUHAMMAD ALI
( but don't quote me on that )
Brilliant, thanks very much, I'll take a look
Re: Muhammad Ali vs Russian boxers(1978)
Posted: 21 Jul 2023, 11:05
by dawudboxer
I think the book I may be referring to that lists all of Ali's public exhibitions is,
THE MAMMOTH BOOK OF MUHAMMAD ALI
( but don't quote me on that )
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Hi,
yeah it wasn't the mammoth book of Muhammad Ali, but funnily enough the last few days I went away on holiday with my family and was staying in a house by the beach. Guess what the house owner had in their small library. It was a book called Muhammad Ali the unseen archives and in the back they had his record with loads of exhibitions included as well as pics of some exhibitions.
Caractacus wrote: ↑13 Jul 2023, 14:30
i remember there was a book published years ago and it listed in the back quite as number of Ali's exhibition fights.
( a few of which were with Scott Ledoux)
It reminded me of Joe Loui's 1977 autobiography that listed his public exhibitions ( but not private exhibitions that he gave during his boxing career)
Damn, I'd love that book, I have the Louis one with the exhibitions in
I think the book I may be referring to that lists all of Ali's public exhibitions is,
THE MAMMOTH BOOK OF MUHAMMAD ALI
( but don't quote me on that )
It contains a few of his exhibitions, maybe like 20, but he did over 100.
Re: Muhammad Ali vs Russian boxers(1978)
Posted: 21 Jul 2023, 12:48
by Caractacus
that must be the book (Muhammad Ali The Unseen Archives )by William Strathmore, published in 2001)
I saw over at Google books a few years ago, I just looked there again, but it is no longer there anymore.
It has been removed except for it's title and author
(no preview)
How many exhibitions does it list and are they just his exhibitions Ali had done in the United Kingdom ?
Re: Muhammad Ali vs Russian boxers(1978)
Posted: 22 Jul 2023, 09:33
by dawudboxer
Caractacus wrote: ↑21 Jul 2023, 12:48
that must be the book (Muhammad Ali The Unseen Archives )by William Strathmore, published in 2001)
I saw over at Google books a few years ago, I just looked there again, but it is no longer there anymore.
It has been removed except for it's title and author
(no preview)
How many exhibitions does it list and are they just his exhibitions Ali had done in the United Kingdom ?
It has exhibitions from America and other places too like Sweden. Funnily enough, the book shows pictures of exhibitions in the UK but doesn't include them on the record. I would post pics of the full record but I don't know how to do it on here.
Re: Muhammad Ali vs Russian boxers(1978)
Posted: 23 Jul 2023, 18:48
by davie
Bricks wrote: ↑24 Dec 2012, 08:56
Its great posters like you two who are keeping this forum alive after all the damage that was done to it in recent years by the aussie and his girlfriend
Oooh, what happened?
Re: Muhammad Ali vs Russian boxers(1978)
Posted: 23 Jul 2023, 18:52
by davie
dawudboxer wrote: ↑
It contains a few of his exhibitions, maybe like 20, but he did over 100.
I genuinely had no idea about all of these exhibition fights.
It's easy to overlook when you are checking the record on Boxrec and it's all official fights and obviously you watch videos it'll all be the high profile bouts that come up in searches
The only one I knew of was the Japanese wrestler that turned into a shambles
