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crusader wrote:

yancey wrote:

crusader wrote:To the people who didn't pick Ali-Liston, what is the line of reasoning behind your choice?

Which Liston photo are you referring to, the one of him quitting on his stool or the one of him quitting on the floor?

Sport at the mountain top.

Just a hunch, Cru --- Yance mayve been being sarcastic

Goodnight, Irene wrote:Yeah, I know Yance. Was just yankin your chain, mate

Shoulda known better.

On the other hand, you and Connie might be bosom buddies, and she/he put you up to it.

Supposedly Floyd Patterson visited Sonny in the dressing room after the fight in Lewiston and Sonny had tears in his eyes.

Hope the story is true. It would mean Sonny at least felt some shame.

Plan to go by Sonny's grave one day.

crusader wrote:To the people who didn't pick Ali-Liston, what is the line of reasoning behind your choice?

1. Dempsey-Firpo painting . . . coolest image IMO.

2. Don't like the image of boxing being one of a guy standing over somebody who, for whatever reason, chose not to get up after being knocked down.

But how do those factors relate to the amount of people that have memorized the image?

I can understand why it may not be a personal favorite, but in terms of 'fame' I don't see how any other boxing image comes close to it.

yancey wrote:

Goodnight, Irene wrote:Yeah, I know Yance. Was just yankin your chain, mate

Shoulda known better.

On the other hand, you and Connie might be bosom buddies, and she/he put you up to it.

The same Connie who wants to fight me for, "anti-Ali comments?" Hardly

Any possibility for that photo of Louis-Schmeling II, where Max almost has his back to Joe and is taking a fearsome beating?

I've seen that photo a bunch.

And how about the photo of Tunney down, with the ref trying to get control of Dempsey in their second fight?

Seen that one a bunch since I was a kid.

Sorry I don't have the knowledge to post the photo.

yancey wrote:Supposedly Floyd Patterson visited Sonny in the dressing room after the fight in Lewiston and Sonny had tears in his eyes.

Hope the story is true. It would mean Sonny at least felt some shame.

Plan to go by Sonny's grave one day.

I heard a similar story. Patterson visited Liston after his late-career loss to Martin, and Liston thanked him for words of encouragement.

crusader wrote:But how do those factors relate to the amount of people that have memorized the image?

I can understand why it may not be a personal favorite, but in terms of 'fame' I don't see how any other boxing image comes close to it.

If you don't worship at the altar of Ali, it's easy to understand! Those of us who haven't drunk the Kool-Aid know that boxing began before February 25, 1964.

yancey wrote:And how about the photo of Tunney down, with the ref trying to get control of Dempsey in their second fight?

Seen that one a bunch since I was a kid.

Sorry I don't have the knowledge to post the photo.

Is this the one you had in mind, Yancey?

raylawpc wrote:

crusader wrote:But how do those factors relate to the amount of people that have memorized the image?

I can understand why it may not be a personal favorite, but in terms of 'fame' I don't see how any other boxing image comes close to it.

If you don't worship at the altar of Ali, it's easy to understand! Those of us who haven't drunk the Kool-Aid know that boxing began before February 25, 1964.

Well said ray ! All too many posters and boxing fans of today act as if boxing didn't exist before television and even Clay/Ali. They foolishly regard a Dempsey, Tunney, Louis as not worthy of
mention with the "greatest"..How wrong they are... Or a Robinson,Greb, Walker, Pep, Armstrong, Williams etc. All these guys let their fists do the talking...

beaujack wrote:

raylawpc wrote:

crusader wrote:But how do those factors relate to the amount of people that have memorized the image?

I can understand why it may not be a personal favorite, but in terms of 'fame' I don't see how any other boxing image comes close to it.

If you don't worship at the altar of Ali, it's easy to understand! Those of us who haven't drunk the Kool-Aid know that boxing began before February 25, 1964.

Well said ray ! All too many posters and boxing fans of today act as if boxing didn't exist before television and even Clay/Ali. They foolishly regard a Dempsey, Tunney, Louis as not worthy of
mention with the "greatest"..How wrong they are... Or a Robinson,Greb, Walker, Pep, Armstrong, Williams etc. All these guys let their fists do the talking...

That's true and it's one of the reasons why Ali-Liston is the most memorized image in boxing history; a large portion of today’s younger cohorts aren't cognizant of the earliest boxing stars, as these greats haven’t received significant media attention in years. I'd also like to note that I'm making points about the number of people who have memorized an image (the thread topic), not the impact or relative popularity of a fighter.

With respect to Ray's points:

1. Many people who memorized Dempsey-Firpo in the 30s/40s/50s would've been around when Ali-Liston became very famous. On the other hand, a larger portion of the people who memorized Ali-Liston wouldn't have encountered Dempsey-Firpo, as the latter became progressively less promoted over the years, to the point where it hasn't been heavily promoted for decades. The order in which the images rose to fame is advantageous for Ali-Liston.

2. I mentioned this previously, but the world is more connected today than any other point in history; an image that has been heavily promoted in recent years has the capacity to reach more people than it would've generations ago. While some posters emphasize that boxing was alive and well for many years, the ability of cultural phenomena to spread is much greater in the Ali era (which, to a degree, continues today) than the Dempsey’ era.

Ali vs Liston image has to be it the reasons IMO are he is the sports biggest star and Adidas used it as part of their advitising at one stage it was everywhere

Oh, fuk me

No one wants to see that sh!t, dumbass.

How about the one where Walcott almost turns Charles head completely around.

raylawpc wrote:

yancey wrote:And how about the photo of Tunney down, with the ref trying to get control of Dempsey in their second fight?

Seen that one a bunch since I was a kid.

Sorry I don't have the knowledge to post the photo.

Is this the one you had in mind, Yancey?

That is the one. Thanks.

Oh and Ali-Liston.

Jaywheel wrote:

That is one of the most disturbing things I have ever had the misfortune of seeing not just in boxing but in life.

raylawpc wrote:

This one is my pick

Livingstone Cole wrote:

WTF

What about