ashley theophane dont be scared homie

[escobar]

Theophane beat the living shitt out of Williams in sparring.

Sparring is one thing, fighting another. I'm not even 100% Williams has the skills to do it, I just don't like the fact he (and anyone else with a fair chance) is blatantly being ducked. Trouble is, I actually get people telling me Ash has been ducked at world level. They've only heard this from Ash himself, but it appears good enough for them.

as i said earlier i will bet my full months wages on a williams win if this fight happens im that confident,ash chats absolute verbal diarreah on twitter,facebook and whatever else he has to communicate with whoever will listen to him,ash has been ducked world level,if he has then what warrants him getting a title shot,a win against chop chop? rodriguez? i doubt it,all im saying is man the fook up ashley and fight the next in line,you were ok with me when i was giving you props for winning the title so take the flack when it comes at you too. truth is if he didnt have that title noone would want to fight him and he would still be in the states fighting past their prime fighters and bragging about it too.

What have you done in your boxing career Eddie? You sound like an expert.

[escobar]

i can confirm that ive been informed that i wont be fighting the tin man for the british title, i was told he was asking for more money than what floyd would get to take on manny pac, theres more than 1 way to say no to a fight and he choose this way, after me stating id take the fight for free he was under pressure to accept and im informed EVERYBODY wanted it apart from him, i wish ste williams all the best in getting this yellow belly in the ring

You said you would give up your purse but your team did not back you up on that so the fight was not made. Simple!

[fasteddie]

I dont think Theophane is scared of Williams or Woodhouse i thinks he's a level above both fighters, i think Thophanes looking at it from a buisness point of view he struggled with Ben Murphy and both Williams and Woodhouse are pressure fighters and seeing how this will be his last fight at domestic level he's looking for a opponent where he can impress against

he shouldnt be looking for anyone he should fight the number one contender he has already had two picks for himself,fight the mandatory steve williams and i guarantee ash is not a level above williams,he is looking for an easy fight then he can run back the states saying "ive fought the best in britain" which anyone who has a clue about boxing knows that this is not true.

I didn't pick Jason Cook, Mick Hennessey and Channel 5 did. Jason was due to do an eliminator with Wright. I also did not pick Ben Murphy. So I am yet to pick an opponent. Woodhouse and Williams were asked to step in but turned the fight down for various reasons. I was willing to fight anyone at a weeks notice. If I am good enough to hold my own with Gracia, Rodriguez, Daws and Corley why would I be scared of Williams and Woodhouse.
Steve Williams is not the mandatory yet as the BBBoC would put it to purse bids.
Williams biggest win is against Karl Place, who is he? Woodhouse has no big wins as yet.

you know why williams turned it down,he turned it down cause he had rehydrated his body after making the 10st limit to fight place for the right to fight for the british title next,you know your a boxer,on fight night you enter the ring at least a stone heavier than the weigh in so why would ste say yes,kill himself to make weight to fight you 7 days later when he is next in line to fight for the lonsdale?

[fasteddie]

Theophane beat the living shitt out of Williams in sparring.

Thank you

thank you for what?? i was there ash you didnt beat the crap out of anyone so dont know why your saying thank you as if you did,fight the number one and dont be scared

[fasteddie]

Sparring is one thing, fighting another. I'm not even 100% Williams has the skills to do it, I just don't like the fact he (and anyone else with a fair chance) is blatantly being ducked. Trouble is, I actually get people telling me Ash has been ducked at world level. They've only heard this from Ash himself, but it appears good enough for them.

as i said earlier i will bet my full months wages on a williams win if this fight happens im that confident,ash chats absolute verbal diarreah on twitter,facebook and whatever else he has to communicate with whoever will listen to him,ash has been ducked world level,if he has then what warrants him getting a title shot,a win against chop chop? rodriguez? i doubt it,all im saying is man the fook up ashley and fight the next in line,you were ok with me when i was giving you props for winning the title so take the flack when it comes at you too. truth is if he didnt have that title noone would want to fight him and he would still be in the states fighting past their prime fighters and bragging about it too.

What have you done in your boxing career Eddie? You sound like an expert.

im an observer of the sport i dont have to do anything in the sport to know it ash,ive seen your fights and ive seen many other fights too im a fan of the sport and have good friends involved in it,your a good fighter but all this ducking and dodging is not doing you any favours.

[escobar]

as i said earlier i will bet my full months wages on a williams win if this fight happens im that confident,ash chats absolute verbal diarreah on twitter,facebook and whatever else he has to communicate with whoever will listen to him,ash has been ducked world level,if he has then what warrants him getting a title shot,a win against chop chop? rodriguez? i doubt it,all im saying is man the fook up ashley and fight the next in line,you were ok with me when i was giving you props for winning the title so take the flack when it comes at you too. truth is if he didnt have that title noone would want to fight him and he would still be in the states fighting past their prime fighters and bragging about it too.

What have you done in your boxing career Eddie? You sound like an expert.

im an observer of the sport i dont have to do anything in the sport to know it ash,ive seen your fights and ive seen many other fights too im a fan of the sport and have good friends involved in it,your a good fighter but all this ducking and dodging is not doing you any favours.

I've never ducked no one in my career and don't intend to. You're basically an armchair fan who is calling someone who has fought better fighters than Steve Williams. A coward! As I said before I didn't choose Murphy or Cook. The promoter and TV did so moan to them not me.

[fasteddie]

What have you done in your boxing career Eddie? You sound like an expert.

im an observer of the sport i dont have to do anything in the sport to know it ash,ive seen your fights and ive seen many other fights too im a fan of the sport and have good friends involved in it,your a good fighter but all this ducking and dodging is not doing you any favours.

I've never ducked no one in my career and don't intend to. You're basically an armchair fan who is calling someone who has fought better fighters than Steve Williams. A coward! As I said before I didn't choose Murphy or Cook. The promoter and TV did so moan to them not me.

ive fought amateur and sparred thousands of rounds in my life i just didnt go pro,an arm chair fan?? i subscribe to sky tv which eventually lines your pockets so if it wasnt for us "armchair fans" you wouldnt be able to demand the type of money you are demanding. your ducking steve williams,you can try and sugar coat it ash but you know deep down your ducking him,you had a choice to fight steve first defence but you chose cook and ben murphy was drafted in last minute so you cant say he was a mandatory,listen ash your at the top in britain so you must of known you were gonna get all this,when your at the top everyone wants a piece of you like i said in an earlier post if you wasnt the british champ you wouldnt be getting all this attention and i mean no disrespect when i say that.

[escobar]

im an observer of the sport i dont have to do anything in the sport to know it ash,ive seen your fights and ive seen many other fights too im a fan of the sport and have good friends involved in it,your a good fighter but all this ducking and dodging is not doing you any favours.

I've never ducked no one in my career and don't intend to. You're basically an armchair fan who is calling someone who has fought better fighters than Steve Williams. A coward! As I said before I didn't choose Murphy or Cook. The promoter and TV did so moan to them not me.

ive fought amateur and sparred thousands of rounds in my life i just didnt go pro,an arm chair fan?? i subscribe to sky tv which eventually lines your pockets so if it wasnt for us "armchair fans" you wouldnt be able to demand the type of money you are demanding. your ducking steve williams,you can try and sugar coat it ash but you know deep down your ducking him,you had a choice to fight steve first defence but you chose cook and ben murphy was drafted in last minute so you cant say he was a mandatory,listen ash your at the top in britain so you must of known you were gonna get all this,when your at the top everyone wants a piece of you like i said in an earlier post if you wasnt the british champ you wouldnt be getting all this attention and i mean no disrespect when i say that.

Steve was my number one choice in July but Channel5 and Mick went with Jason, who I didn't want to fight so you obviously don't know the ins and outs of what is going on. I was world number four before I was british champ and had fought garcia, rodriguez and corley. So I was in big fights before I was British champion. I like Steve so I won't say anything about him but you're an idiot for the claims you have made which are 100% wrong.

[manno]

Turn it in nah fellas ffs! Lets get it straight, although he aint my cup of tea, Theophane is a fighter, he is British Champion and he is seasoned, that much is fact. I dont care how shopworn chop chop was if Theophane had been a fashionable name and it had been on a sky show in Britain he would have been lauded by Smith n co as the 2nd coming.I dont mind Curtis coming on here and giving it Theophane cos he is desperate for his shot and if they do get it on it will be sorted in the ring but some of you guys calling a champion a coward is wrong and totally out of order like i say dont care for Theophane 1 way or the other but after hearing there sparring was pretty even and nobody got tanned i doubt very much he is running scared.For the record i do prefer Steve Williams as a fighte r

[fasteddie]

I've never ducked no one in my career and don't intend to. You're basically an armchair fan who is calling someone who has fought better fighters than Steve Williams. A coward! As I said before I didn't choose Murphy or Cook. The promoter and TV did so moan to them not me.

ive fought amateur and sparred thousands of rounds in my life i just didnt go pro,an arm chair fan?? i subscribe to sky tv which eventually lines your pockets so if it wasnt for us "armchair fans" you wouldnt be able to demand the type of money you are demanding. your ducking steve williams,you can try and sugar coat it ash but you know deep down your ducking him,you had a choice to fight steve first defence but you chose cook and ben murphy was drafted in last minute so you cant say he was a mandatory,listen ash your at the top in britain so you must of known you were gonna get all this,when your at the top everyone wants a piece of you like i said in an earlier post if you wasnt the british champ you wouldnt be getting all this attention and i mean no disrespect when i say that.

Steve was my number one choice in July but Channel5 and Mick went with Jason, who I didn't want to fight so you obviously don't know the ins and outs of what is going on. I was world number four before I was british champ and had fought garcia, rodriguez and corley. So I was in big fights before I was British champion. I like Steve so I won't say anything about him but you're an idiot for the claims you have made which are 100% wrong.

thats were your wrong ash you think were all idiots with your claim "steve was my number one choice" tell me how many fighters did you say that to? and you dont have to name drop all the time chop chop was done when you fought him and rodriguez i dont think you won that fight as for the garcia fight i didnt see it to comment. listen up ash an opinion is like an a55hole everyone has got one so if you dont like someone elses opinion just do what you do on twitter and facebook and either block them or ignore them

[fasteddie]

I've never ducked no one in my career and don't intend to. You're basically an armchair fan who is calling someone who has fought better fighters than Steve Williams. A coward! As I said before I didn't choose Murphy or Cook. The promoter and TV did so moan to them not me.

ive fought amateur and sparred thousands of rounds in my life i just didnt go pro,an arm chair fan?? i subscribe to sky tv which eventually lines your pockets so if it wasnt for us "armchair fans" you wouldnt be able to demand the type of money you are demanding. your ducking steve williams,you can try and sugar coat it ash but you know deep down your ducking him,you had a choice to fight steve first defence but you chose cook and ben murphy was drafted in last minute so you cant say he was a mandatory,listen ash your at the top in britain so you must of known you were gonna get all this,when your at the top everyone wants a piece of you like i said in an earlier post if you wasnt the british champ you wouldnt be getting all this attention and i mean no disrespect when i say that.

Steve was my number one choice in July but Channel5 and Mick went with Jason, who I didn't want to fight so you obviously don't know the ins and outs of what is going on. I was world number four before I was british champ and had fought garcia, rodriguez and corley. So I was in big fights before I was British champion. I like Steve so I won't say anything about him but you're an idiot for the claims you have made which are 100% wrong.

I check the world and British ratings all the time and before you had a title shot you wasn't even ranked 4th in Britain so how can you be ranked 4 in the world? you wasn't a light welter till the daws fight and if my memory serves me right you were ranked about 13th in Britain at welter.

[escobar]

ive fought amateur and sparred thousands of rounds in my life i just didnt go pro,an arm chair fan?? i subscribe to sky tv which eventually lines your pockets so if it wasnt for us "armchair fans" you wouldnt be able to demand the type of money you are demanding. your ducking steve williams,you can try and sugar coat it ash but you know deep down your ducking him,you had a choice to fight steve first defence but you chose cook and ben murphy was drafted in last minute so you cant say he was a mandatory,listen ash your at the top in britain so you must of known you were gonna get all this,when your at the top everyone wants a piece of you like i said in an earlier post if you wasnt the british champ you wouldnt be getting all this attention and i mean no disrespect when i say that.

Steve was my number one choice in July but Channel5 and Mick went with Jason, who I didn't want to fight so you obviously don't know the ins and outs of what is going on. I was world number four before I was british champ and had fought garcia, rodriguez and corley. So I was in big fights before I was British champion. I like Steve so I won't say anything about him but you're an idiot for the claims you have made which are 100% wrong.

I check the world and British ratings all the time and before you had a title shot you wasn't even ranked 4th in Britain so how can you be ranked 4 in the world? you wasn't a light welter till the daws fight and if my memory serves me right you were ranked about 13th in Britain at welter.

Boxrec are not official rankings. I was 4th in the IBF World Welterweight rankings when I got the call of a fight with Lenny Daws. http://www.ibf-usba-boxing.com/ August 2010

[twenty six]

Simple question.
Who are you fighting then ?
When you've answered that - justify.
It isn't difficult - or maybe it is.

[curtis wood]

im over it ash, you got made a great offer to fight me and turned it down, they are the facts of the matter, not gunna have a backward and forward fight on the net thats not how i like to settle my differences but if you ever want to trade blows ill be here waiting belt or no belt

[kamicazze]

I personally respect the hell out of Ashley for the way he has gone about his career. Going to the USA to make a name for himself first and fighting whoever that has been put in front of him. I didn't particularly like the 'i don't care for the lonsdale belt' statements though.
However personally, I never begrudge a fighter a couple of soft defence's to win it outright, in another thread everyone is up in arms about Shane Mcphilbin being given a tough assignment in Enzo Maccarinelli. It's the case of this could be the pinnacle of Shane's career so people are hoping he gets 3 soft or easier assignments so he can keep it outright whereas more is expected of Theopane, so they want to see him in more testing matches. I did not think the Cook fight was a soft fight as far as first defences go. Ben Murphy was a blown up lightweight but Nigel Wright had to pull out. And from a Buisness perspective Alex Arthur would be a good defence next although not the most testing. I'd personally take that one over any of the others as it lays claim to beating a former world champion in years to come

[fasteddie]

Simple question.
Who are you fighting then ?
When you've answered that - justify.
It isn't difficult - or maybe it is.

well said,who is the mandatory cause it certainly is alex arthur he hasn't beat anyone with a name at light welter.

[fasteddie]

I personally respect the hell out of Ashley for the way he has gone about his career. Going to the USA to make a name for himself first and fighting whoever that has been put in front of him. I didn't particularly like the 'i don't care for the lonsdale belt' statements though.
However personally, I never begrudge a fighter a couple of soft defence's to win it outright, in another thread everyone is up in arms about Shane Mcphilbin being given a tough assignment in Enzo Maccarinelli. It's the case of this could be the pinnacle of Shane's career so people are hoping he gets 3 soft or easier assignments so he can keep it outright whereas more is expected of Theopane, so they want to see him in more testing matches. I did not think the Cook fight was a soft fight as far as first defences go. Ben Murphy was a blown up lightweight but Nigel Wright had to pull out. And from a Buisness perspective Alex Arthur would be a good defence next although not the most testing. I'd personally take that one over any of the others as it lays claim to beating a former world champion in years to come

alex arthur has never been a world champion,i understand that alex arthur will bring a big fan base to the arena but if a fighter is number one why should he wait just because another fighter brings more fans?? alex arthur has moved to light welter and has been placed,on boxrec ratings above steve how can this be?? he should at least have a meaningful fight at the weight to justify his ranking.

[Lenny]

DeMarcus Corley proved in his last fight he has more even now then anyone Williams or Woodhouse have beaten by a distance.

I don't begrudge either chasing their shot, but some of the abuse being levelled at Theophane who has done it the hard way is rubbish.

[safeerah]

DeMarcus Corley proved in his last fight he has more even now then anyone Williams or Woodhouse have beaten by a distance.

I don't begrudge either chasing their shot, but some of the abuse being levelled at Theophane who has done it the hard way is rubbish.

I agree with you Lenny, to go to the USA and beat quality fighters is very difficult, most British fighters who go to the states end up being beaten up in sparring or get beat in fights, so for Theophane to beat fighters like DeMarcus Corley, he has to be a very good fighter. Amazing how fickle some people are on the forums, not so long ago Woodhouse was going to get destroyed by Gavin and not thought good enough to get the shot in the first place, before that he was written off after his first loss as a fighter going nowhere, now all of a sudden a british champion who has beat an ex world champion in the states is scared of him. Theophane stopped Cook in great fashion, dominating him, were as Woodhouse proposed fight with Cook was seen as a step up for Woodhouse and hard to call. Gavin refused the Cook fight, because Cook was too risky for a warm up fight, so that sums it up for me.

[DMMA]

thanks to the guys who gave their input on the Williams - Theophanes spars. it's stuff like that that make this site so enjoyable and informative

Agreed - fascinating stuff! Quickly taking over my previous forum reads.

As a 'newbie' here I'd love to know who the folks in the know/in the game are and how folk here know each other so well given some profiles say zilch?

[fasteddie]

Theophane beat the living shitt out of Williams in sparring.

Thank you

BECAUSE YOU ARE A TOP QUALITY AMARTEUR DOESN'T MEAN YOU WILL DO GO AS PRO. TO ME ASHLEY IS LOOKING BETTER THAN MITCHELL AND BEAVIS AND THEY ARE TIPPED FOR BIG THINGS. MITCHELL IS FIGHTING BUMS, HATTON FOUGHT BUMS FOR YEARS, SO THAT DOESN'T MEAN ANYTHING.
WHEN IT IS TIME TO STEP UP THATS WHEN YOU JUDGE A NOVICE PRO. ASHLEY SPARS WITH AJOSE (13-0) WHO IS RANKED 12 AND HANDLES HIMSELF. ASHLEY IS BEING FINANCED BY ALOT OF PEOPLE WHO KNOW HE IS GOOD. I MARKET HIM AND I WOULDN'T WASTE MY TIME, IF I DIDN'T BELIEVE IN HIM. EVERYONE WHO HAS SEEN HIM, KNOWS HE IS GOOD. YOU HAVE TO JUGDE HIM WITH OTHER 6-0 PRO'S AND YOU WILL KNOW HE STANDS ABOVE THEM. HIS MANAGERS DAVE COLDWELL AND AKAY NEXT YEAR WILL TAKE A GAMBLE WITH HIM FIGHTING TOP 10 OPPONENTS.
ANYONE WHO HAS NOT SEEN HIM AND WONDERS WHAT THE HYPE IS ABOUT. SEND ME YOUR ADDRESS AND I WILL SEND YOU A DVD OF HIS SPARRING, 3 OF HIS FIGHTS AND A DOCUMENTARY THAT WAS ON CHANNEL 4. [email protected]


is this you ashley pretending not to be you?? wow ive read a few of escobars comments and they are pretty funny to say your promotor hatton was fighting bums for years

[fasteddie]

DeMarcus Corley proved in his last fight he has more even now then anyone Williams or Woodhouse have beaten by a distance.

I don't begrudge either chasing their shot, but some of the abuse being levelled at Theophane who has done it the hard way is rubbish.

I agree with you Lenny, to go to the USA and beat quality fighters is very difficult, most British fighters who go to the states end up being beaten up in sparring or get beat in fights, so for Theophane to beat fighters like DeMarcus Corley, he has to be a very good fighter. Amazing how fickle some people are on the forums, not so long ago Woodhouse was going to get destroyed by Gavin and not thought good enough to get the shot in the first place, before that he was written off after his first loss as a fighter going nowhere, now all of a sudden a british champion who has beat an ex world champion in the states is scared of him. Theophane stopped Cook in great fashion, dominating him, were as Woodhouse proposed fight with Cook was seen as a step up for Woodhouse and hard to call. Gavin refused the Cook fight, because Cook was too risky for a warm up fight, so that sums it up for me.

gavin didnt want to fight cook for a warm up and i would agree with him,cook has fought the british champ twice out of his last three fights so gavin should wait and fight abit of a lesser known person cause he hasnt fought since woodhouse but lets not stray away from what the topic is,williams is the number one contender and ash wont fight him,woodhouse has offered to fight him for nothing and he turned that down so who in the british boards eyes deserves a british title shot above these two? maybe lenny daws does deserve his rematch other than that there isnt anyone and for ash to put across that murphy was a genuine contender for the title is laughable.

[fasteddie]

DeMarcus Corley proved in his last fight he has more even now then anyone Williams or Woodhouse have beaten by a distance.

I don't begrudge either chasing their shot, but some of the abuse being levelled at Theophane who has done it the hard way is rubbish.

lenny ive given ashley the props for going over the states doing things his way,going out of his comfort zone and making his name but my point is he is gonna get the lonsdale belt go back the states with it in his gym bag say he has fought the best britain had to offer when in reality the best britain has to offer are a rematch with daws a fight with williams and then maybe woodhouse or morrison,if ash had these three fights on his record i would say fair play he deserves that lonsdale but he hasnt and thats why im making waves about it

[fasteddie]

im over it ash, you got made a great offer to fight me and turned it down, they are the facts of the matter, not gunna have a backward and forward fight on the net thats not how i like to settle my differences but if you ever want to trade blows ill be here waiting belt or no belt

here ya go curtis an old theophane post,didnt he just duck you???


I NEVER GOT TO BOX DAWS BUT I ALWAYS WANTED TO THATS WHY IN THE THE PRO RANKS IT WOULD BE A GOOD FIGHT. THE BEAVIS FIGHT WAS ONE OF MY BEST, BUT I GOT DRAWN INTO HIS FIGHT.
ANY OF US FIGHT EACH OTHER AT THE END OF NEXT YEAR WHEN WE HAVE SETTLED INTO THE PRO RANKS WOULD BE EXPLOSIVE.
I KNOW THE OPPONENTS I HAVE FOUGHT ARE STANDARD OPPOSITION BUT 99% OF PRO'S START LIKE THIS. BUT BY MY 10TH FIGHT I WILL DO A BIG STEP UP.
I LOOK UP TO FIGHTERS (HOPKINS,HOYA,MAYWEATHER,WHITTAKER,HAGLER)WHO NEVER DUCK NO ONE SO THATS HOW I WANT TO GO ABOUT MY BUSINESS.
I CAN'T WAIT TILL NEXT YEAR.

[safeerah]

DeMarcus Corley proved in his last fight he has more even now then anyone Williams or Woodhouse have beaten by a distance.

I don't begrudge either chasing their shot, but some of the abuse being levelled at Theophane who has done it the hard way is rubbish.

I agree with you Lenny, to go to the USA and beat quality fighters is very difficult, most British fighters who go to the states end up being beaten up in sparring or get beat in fights, so for Theophane to beat fighters like DeMarcus Corley, he has to be a very good fighter. Amazing how fickle some people are on the forums, not so long ago Woodhouse was going to get destroyed by Gavin and not thought good enough to get the shot in the first place, before that he was written off after his first loss as a fighter going nowhere, now all of a sudden a british champion who has beat an ex world champion in the states is scared of him. Theophane stopped Cook in great fashion, dominating him, were as Woodhouse proposed fight with Cook was seen as a step up for Woodhouse and hard to call. Gavin refused the Cook fight, because Cook was too risky for a warm up fight, so that sums it up for me.

gavin didnt want to fight cook for a warm up and i would agree with him,cook has fought the british champ twice out of his last three fights so gavin should wait and fight abit of a lesser known person cause he hasnt fought since woodhouse but lets not stray away from what the topic is,williams is the number one contender and ash wont fight him,woodhouse has offered to fight him for nothing and he turned that down so who in the british boards eyes deserves a british title shot above these two? maybe lenny daws does deserve his rematch other than that there isnt anyone and for ash to put across that murphy was a genuine contender for the title is laughable.

Wiliams deserves a shot, but no more then Daws, who stopped Williams when they met. Murphy stepped in at short notice when nobody else would and he is Southern Area Champion so a legitimate contender, Murphy did give Theophane nightmares, so that proved it. Theophane in my opinion, if he has chosen Daws, has picked the hardest match, so that don't make him a coward, thats for sure. Talk of Arthur is more down to world rankings, this fight would help on his quest for a world title fight more then anyone else.