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safeerah wrote:

Terminator666 wrote:What a fantastic programme tonight with SRL. I was captivated by the great man.

Sugar Ray Leonard, without doubt the greatest fighter of all time, speed, power, skill, heart, stamina, mental strength, toughness, intelligence, chin, tactical expert, movement, charisma and with the fastest feet. The nearest thing to perfection in boxing. If not for the inactivity would have achieved even more, would you believe it. Leonard beat the best fighters of his generation including greats like Duran, Hagler, Hearns and Benitez, plus he won titles at 5 different weight divisions, in the Ams in won a gold medal in the Olympics.

safeerah wrote:

Coco wrote:

MachoMan09 wrote: Coco, safeerah used the phrase "without doubt". That's what I am dismissing in the first instance.

Fair comment, while he certainly was a great fighter there is definately plenty of doubt he was the greatest!

Can you imagine what Leonard could have done with the much bigger Hagler if he had not been out of the ring for about 3 years and remember Hagler was considered by many as one of the greatest Middleweights of all time, can you imagine Hearns, Duran, Hagler and Benitez fighting against today's greats, they would wipe the floor with them, only Mayweather could stand out with them, out of the fab five of leonard's generation, Leonard was the only one to beat the rest, amazing. I understand that different people like different style fighters, so not everybody likes fast, skilled boxers. If you examine the great fighters of all time, check out
quality of opponents, am and pro career, how they did against fighters in higher weight divisions, did they raise the profile of boxing, where they role models, how they came back from defeat and on an ability level, speed, power, skill, movement, charisma, punch range, defense, attack, front foot, back foot, tactics, ability to adapt, heart, stamina, fitness, Leonard could do it all, how many fighters can you name that fill this list, Leonard fought and beat Champions from welter to light heavy, When Sugar Ray Robinson moved up to fight a light heavy he got stopped and he also got beat by very ordinary fighters. If Leonard is not the best, name the one who is and why ? If Leonard was around today he would have fought Mayweather, Pacman, Moseley, Dela Hoya, Alvarez, Martinez, cotto, and beat them all. I understand why not everyone will agree, but would be interested in who other people rate as the best and why ?

mugabi wrote:

safeerah wrote:

Terminator666 wrote:What a fantastic programme tonight with SRL. I was captivated by the great man.

Sugar Ray Leonard, without doubt the greatest fighter of all time, speed, power, skill, heart, stamina, mental strength, toughness, intelligence, chin, tactical expert, movement, charisma and with the fastest feet. The nearest thing to perfection in boxing. If not for the inactivity would have achieved even more, would you believe it. Leonard beat the best fighters of his generation including greats like Duran, Hagler, Hearns and Benitez, plus he won titles at 5 different weight divisions, in the Ams in won a gold medal in the Olympics.

what a twat you are you. All your posts are like one of those youtube trolls. SRL the greatest of all time? Ask the man himself and he will tell u Sugar Ray Robinson whose name he admittedly stole was far better and so was muhammad ali who he also mimicked....why say such garbage? SRL is one of the 20 greatest fighters of all time some have him very high some slightly lower within that bracket, but GOAT no way.

mugabi wrote:

safeerah wrote:

Terminator666 wrote:What a fantastic programme tonight with SRL. I was captivated by the great man.

Sugar Ray Leonard, without doubt the greatest fighter of all time, speed, power, skill, heart, stamina, mental strength, toughness, intelligence, chin, tactical expert, movement, charisma and with the fastest feet. The nearest thing to perfection in boxing. If not for the inactivity would have achieved even more, would you believe it. Leonard beat the best fighters of his generation including greats like Duran, Hagler, Hearns and Benitez, plus he won titles at 5 different weight divisions, in the Ams in won a gold medal in the Olympics.

what a twat you are you. All your posts are like one of those youtube trolls. SRL the greatest of all time? Ask the man himself and he will tell u Sugar Ray Robinson whose name he admittedly stole was far better and so was muhammad ali who he also mimicked....why say such garbage? SRL is one of the 20 greatest fighters of all time some have him very high some slightly lower within that bracket, but GOAT no way.

Quixall wrote:

mugabi wrote:

safeerah wrote: Sugar Ray Leonard, without doubt the greatest fighter of all time, speed, power, skill, heart, stamina, mental strength, toughness, intelligence, chin, tactical expert, movement, charisma and with the fastest feet. The nearest thing to perfection in boxing. If not for the inactivity would have achieved even more, would you believe it. Leonard beat the best fighters of his generation including greats like Duran, Hagler, Hearns and Benitez, plus he won titles at 5 different weight divisions, in the Ams in won a gold medal in the Olympics.

what a twat you are you. All your posts are like one of those youtube trolls. SRL the greatest of all time? Ask the man himself and he will tell u Sugar Ray Robinson whose name he admittedly stole was far better and so was muhammad ali who he also mimicked....why say such garbage? SRL is one of the 20 greatest fighters of all time some have him very high some slightly lower within that bracket, but GOAT no way.

Couldn't agree more Mugabi

Leonard was a great fighter, but you would put Robinson, wilde and definately Armstrong in front of him. Leonard was one of the best of his era, but there are so many smaller guys who are just as good. You could even name pepp, Chavez, etc.

safeerah wrote:

mugabi wrote:

safeerah wrote: Sugar Ray Leonard, without doubt the greatest fighter of all time, speed, power, skill, heart, stamina, mental strength, toughness, intelligence, chin, tactical expert, movement, charisma and with the fastest feet. The nearest thing to perfection in boxing. If not for the inactivity would have achieved even more, would you believe it. Leonard beat the best fighters of his generation including greats like Duran, Hagler, Hearns and Benitez, plus he won titles at 5 different weight divisions, in the Ams in won a gold medal in the Olympics.

what a twat you are you. All your posts are like one of those youtube trolls. SRL the greatest of all time? Ask the man himself and he will tell u Sugar Ray Robinson whose name he admittedly stole was far better and so was muhammad ali who he also mimicked....why say such garbage? SRL is one of the 20 greatest fighters of all time some have him very high some slightly lower within that bracket, but GOAT no way.

Judging by your posts you know nothing about boxing and you have no intelligence, as shown by the start of your post, don't know about goat but sheep comes to mind, I will discuss by reasons for not picking Ali or Robinson but not with you, but with someone else with more knowledge and intelligence.

palooka wrote:Ray Leonard would have given any welter, in any age a real fight. He was very tough, very determined and could really get stuck in. From bouts of Robinson I've seen on DVD/video I admire Leonards' footwork more. He is one of the very best I've seen box. He does come across very well and is charming and articulate. When he was boxing though he knew he was the box office star and would have the decks stacked in his favour; at one time he was a boxer who could bend the rules and get away with. Still and fantastic box fighter though!

jamesmcdonnell wrote:

palooka wrote:Ray Leonard would have given any welter, in any age a real fight. He was very tough, very determined and could really get stuck in. From bouts of Robinson I've seen on DVD/video I admire Leonards' footwork more. He is one of the very best I've seen box. He does come across very well and is charming and articulate. When he was boxing though he knew he was the box office star and would have the decks stacked in his favour; at one time he was a boxer who could bend the rules and get away with. Still and fantastic box fighter though!

Agreed, nobody would have beaten him hands down, he would have been competitive with absolutely anyone in history, but on merit, his resume is not as deep as either Robinson or Armstrongs. Its just because he had comparatively few fights, even for someone of his own era.

Leonard was the model for people like Mayweather, who is basically semi retired, but always in the gym traning and sparring.

If Leonard had not had his retina problems, his career would have looked very different, he lost some of his peak years sadly.

jamesmcdonnell wrote:

palooka wrote:Ray Leonard would have given any welter, in any age a real fight. He was very tough, very determined and could really get stuck in. From bouts of Robinson I've seen on DVD/video I admire Leonards' footwork more. He is one of the very best I've seen box. He does come across very well and is charming and articulate. When he was boxing though he knew he was the box office star and would have the decks stacked in his favour; at one time he was a boxer who could bend the rules and get away with. Still and fantastic box fighter though!

Agreed, nobody would have beaten him hands down, he would have been competitive with absolutely anyone in history, but on merit, his resume is not as deep as either Robinson or Armstrongs. Its just because he had comparatively few fights, even for someone of his own era.
Leonard was the model for people like Mayweather, who is basically semi retired, but always in the gym traning and sparring.

If Leonard had not had his retina problems, his career would have looked very different, he lost some of his peak years sadly.

Quixall wrote:

jamesmcdonnell wrote:

palooka wrote:Ray Leonard would have given any welter, in any age a real fight. He was very tough, very determined and could really get stuck in. From bouts of Robinson I've seen on DVD/video I admire Leonards' footwork more. He is one of the very best I've seen box. He does come across very well and is charming and articulate. When he was boxing though he knew he was the box office star and would have the decks stacked in his favour; at one time he was a boxer who could bend the rules and get away with. Still and fantastic box fighter though!

Agreed, nobody would have beaten him hands down, he would have been competitive with absolutely anyone in history, but on merit, his resume is not as deep as either Robinson or Armstrongs. Its just because he had comparatively few fights, even for someone of his own era.

Leonard was the model for people like Mayweather, who is basically semi retired, but always in the gym traning and sparring.

If Leonard had not had his retina problems, his career would have looked very different, he lost some of his peak years sadly.

I always wonder what would have happenned if Duran hadn't have said "No Mas" and would have carried on. It's perhaps true to say that Leonard would have still won because he fought his fight the second time around, but i still think that Duran quitting kind of tarnished it for Leonard. Would have been far better if Duran hadn't of quit and Leonard would have won over the distance.

reggaereggae wrote:Just watched this. Leonard is so honest, charming and intelligent. What a pleasure. Great show.

palooka wrote:

Quixall wrote:

jamesmcdonnell wrote: Agreed, nobody would have beaten him hands down, he would have been competitive with absolutely anyone in history, but on merit, his resume is not as deep as either Robinson or Armstrongs. Its just because he had comparatively few fights, even for someone of his own era.

Leonard was the model for people like Mayweather, who is basically semi retired, but always in the gym traning and sparring.

If Leonard had not had his retina problems, his career would have looked very different, he lost some of his peak years sadly.

I always wonder what would have happenned if Duran hadn't have said "No Mas" and would have carried on. It's perhaps true to say that Leonard would have still won because he fought his fight the second time around, but i still think that Duran quitting kind of tarnished it for Leonard. Would have been far better if Duran hadn't of quit and Leonard would have won over the distance.

I disagree with this point Quixall. I feel that Duran packing in mid fight added to the Leonard mystique. He out psyched the animal. Kirkland Laing beat Duran on points, as did Benitez, DeJesus and Hagler (when Duran was in or near his prime). None is seen as the victory Leonards is.

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palooka wrote:

Quixall wrote: I always wonder what would have happenned if Duran hadn't have said "No Mas" and would have carried on. It's perhaps true to say that Leonard would have still won because he fought his fight the second time around, but i still think that Duran quitting kind of tarnished it for Leonard. Would have been far better if Duran hadn't of quit and Leonard would have won over the distance.

I disagree with this point Quixall. I feel that Duran packing in mid fight added to the Leonard mystique. He out psyched the animal. Kirkland Laing beat Duran on points, as did Benitez, DeJesus and Hagler (when Duran was in or near his prime). None is seen as the victory Leonards is.

I'm not so sure it has added to Leonard's mystique.

There's still an awful lot of people out there who make excuses for Duran's 'no mas', whilst not having a good word to say about SRL.

Just imagine what these people would have said if SRL had just quit in the 1st fight, claiming stomach cramps, just because the fight was not going the way he wanted?
They would have pilloried Leonard & quite rightly, but for some reason, they don't do that with Duran.

palooka wrote:Ray Leonard would have given any welter, in any age a real fight. He was very tough, very determined and could really get stuck in. From bouts of Robinson I've seen on DVD/video I admire Leonards' footwork more. He is one of the very best I've seen box. He does come across very well and is charming and articulate. When he was boxing though he knew he was the box office star and would have the decks stacked in his favour; at one time he was a boxer who could bend the rules and get away with. Still and fantastic box fighter though!

Quixall wrote:

jamesmcdonnell wrote:

palooka wrote:Ray Leonard would have given any welter, in any age a real fight. He was very tough, very determined and could really get stuck in. From bouts of Robinson I've seen on DVD/video I admire Leonards' footwork more. He is one of the very best I've seen box. He does come across very well and is charming and articulate. When he was boxing though he knew he was the box office star and would have the decks stacked in his favour; at one time he was a boxer who could bend the rules and get away with. Still and fantastic box fighter though!

Agreed, nobody would have beaten him hands down, he would have been competitive with absolutely anyone in history, but on merit, his resume is not as deep as either Robinson or Armstrongs. Its just because he had comparatively few fights, even for someone of his own era.

Leonard was the model for people like Mayweather, who is basically semi retired, but always in the gym traning and sparring.

If Leonard had not had his retina problems, his career would have looked very different, he lost some of his peak years sadly.

I always wonder what would have happenned if Duran hadn't have said "No Mas" and would have carried on. It's perhaps true to say that Leonard would have still won because he fought his fight the second time around, but i still think that Duran quitting kind of tarnished it for Leonard. Would have been far better if Duran hadn't of quit and Leonard would have won over the distance.

Quixall wrote:

safeerah wrote:

mugabi wrote: what a twat you are you. All your posts are like one of those youtube trolls. SRL the greatest of all time? Ask the man himself and he will tell u Sugar Ray Robinson whose name he admittedly stole was far better and so was muhammad ali who he also mimicked....why say such garbage? SRL is one of the 20 greatest fighters of all time some have him very high some slightly lower within that bracket, but GOAT no way.

Judging by your posts you know nothing about boxing and you have no intelligence, as shown by the start of your post, don't know about goat but sheep comes to mind, I will discuss by reasons for not picking Ali or Robinson but not with you, but with someone else with more knowledge and intelligence.

Saying Mugabi has no intelligence and has little knowledge is akin to saying that Mayweather is a domestic plodder lol. You clearly know nothing about Mugabi and his posts on here. I think he has you spot on. Your always way off with your analysis of fighters, go way overboard in your praise, lack any objectivety and then throw your toys out of the pram when someone calls you out and highlights your inconsistencies I would say that Mugabi was a bit harsh with his opening gambit, but on this occasion he was absolutely correct in saying what you are

safeerah wrote:

Quixall wrote:

safeerah wrote:Judging by your posts you know nothing about boxing and you have no intelligence, as shown by the start of your post, don't know about goat but sheep comes to mind, I will discuss by reasons for not picking Ali or Robinson but not with you, but with someone else with more knowledge and intelligence.

Saying Mugabi has no intelligence and has little knowledge is akin to saying that Mayweather is a domestic plodder lol. You clearly know nothing about Mugabi and his posts on here. I think he has you spot on. Your always way off with your analysis of fighters, go way overboard in your praise, lack any objectivety and then throw your toys out of the pram when someone calls you out and highlights your inconsistencies I would say that Mugabi was a bit harsh with his opening gambit, but on this occasion he was absolutely correct in saying what you are

Check out this prats inconsistencies on the Naseem Hamed his posts, he always goes overboard with his grammar in trying to be clever and then throws his toys out the pram like the baby he is, when exposed.

Quixall wrote:

safeerah wrote:

Quixall wrote: Saying Mugabi has no intelligence and has little knowledge is akin to saying that Mayweather is a domestic plodder lol. You clearly know nothing about Mugabi and his posts on here. I think he has you spot on. Your always way off with your analysis of fighters, go way overboard in your praise, lack any objectivety and then throw your toys out of the pram when someone calls you out and highlights your inconsistencies I would say that Mugabi was a bit harsh with his opening gambit, but on this occasion he was absolutely correct in saying what you are

Check out this prats inconsistencies on the Naseem Hamed his posts, he always goes overboard with his grammar in trying to be clever and then throws his toys out the pram like the baby he is, when exposed.

safeerah wrote:

Quixall wrote:

safeerah wrote:Check out this prats inconsistencies on the Naseem Hamed his posts, he always goes overboard with his grammar in trying to be clever and then throws his toys out the pram like the baby he is, when exposed.

Isn't it amazing that you criticise Mugabi with the exact same words that you criticised me, ie, i must not be intelligent and i know nothing about boxing. Can't you see there is a pattern building here !! Like i have said earlier, Mugabi got you spot on and he was right to call you a twat. It will be interesting to see how Mugabi reacts to your posts. I certainly won't entertain you any longer, this is the last time i will answerr or debate (If that is the right word) with you on any subject. Period.[/quote) Finally you have got it right you both know nothing about boxing just armchair slobs, I mean I don't know what goes round in your head and I don't think you do either, according to you Naseem Hamed is an ordinary champion, then later he is special. Today I am doing a demonstration with boxers in front of a large amount of people including people from the industry, what are you guys doing ? I won't be missing any anything educationall from your self imposed exile from my posts and won't have to go down to your level to answer you, so fine with me. What is predictable about you is that when someone exposes you or gets the better of you ,you quit.