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DIRT SUGAR wrote:In the modern era they don't come much whiter than Ricky Hatton! Coulda done with a few sunbed sessions or a spray tan or two. Talk about beyond the pale :)

reggaereggae wrote:

DIRT SUGAR wrote:In the modern era they don't come much whiter than Ricky Hatton! Coulda done with a few sunbed sessions or a spray tan or two. Talk about beyond the pale :)

Canelo is pretty white for a Mexican too.....

reggaereggae wrote:Idiotic question due to its racial nature, and would be controversial if it wasn't about white people

Eras, socio-demographic patterns and defining 'best' are all important question here.

Best at the time is another factor.

Would Rocky MArciano, Joe Louis, Jack Johnson, Jack Dempsey be able to compete with the modern heavyweight? Of course not; too small, with a more basic understanding of sports science plus less technical skills would see them destroyed. Can anyone really expect a 13st 6 bls Rocky to compete with Lennox Lewis? Of course not. ALso look how crude Jack Dempsey, Jack johnson, Jess Willard were compared to the modern fighter. Sure they were tough - but lift them out of their era and stick them in the ring with a big modern heavyweight and they wouldn't have a chance.

Also, ignoring the big names, some of the Heavyweights Ali and even Holmes were dreadful, as well as around14-15 stone. Wepner, Richard Dunn, Coopman, David Bey, Scott Frank, Leroy Jones were just awful.


Joe FRazier was amazing, but at his best he weighed only 205 lbs. Klitchkos would be too big.

However Joe Louis, Marciano, Dempsey, Ali, Holmes were the best at the time by far. And Rocky never got beat. Of course he would've done if he'd gone on forever but he didn't.

Don't get me wrong, boxing suits black physiques in a way that say weightlifting, world's strongest man etc doesn't.

But who asks 'who are the best Asian (ie Indian/Pakistani/Bangledeshi) fighters'? Well, there are not many. But Khan shows th

ey exist. I mean few fighters are quicker than him. But ask who are the best Asian squash players and you get a different answer.

Odd question to the thread owner and also deliberately controversial, and most importantly very difficult to answer.

DaveBoyMorrison wrote:

reggaereggae wrote:Idiotic question due to its racial nature, and would be controversial if it wasn't about white people

Eras, socio-demographic patterns and defining 'best' are all important question here.

Best at the time is another factor.

Would Rocky MArciano, Joe Louis, Jack Johnson, Jack Dempsey be able to compete with the modern heavyweight? Of course not; too small, with a more basic understanding of sports science plus less technical skills would see them destroyed. Can anyone really expect a 13st 6 bls Rocky to compete with Lennox Lewis? Of course not. ALso look how crude Jack Dempsey, Jack johnson, Jess Willard were compared to the modern fighter. Sure they were tough - but lift them out of their era and stick them in the ring with a big modern heavyweight and they wouldn't have a chance.

Also, ignoring the big names, some of the Heavyweights Ali and even Holmes were dreadful, as well as around14-15 stone. Wepner, Richard Dunn, Coopman, David Bey, Scott Frank, Leroy Jones were just awful.


Joe FRazier was amazing, but at his best he weighed only 205 lbs. Klitchkos would be too big.

However Joe Louis, Marciano, Dempsey, Ali, Holmes were the best at the time by far. And Rocky never got beat. Of course he would've done if he'd gone on forever but he didn't.

Don't get me wrong, boxing suits black physiques in a way that say weightlifting, world's strongest man etc doesn't.

But who asks 'who are the best Asian (ie Indian/Pakistani/Bangledeshi) fighters'? Well, there are not many. But Khan shows th

ey exist. I mean few fighters are quicker than him. But ask who are the best Asian squash players and you get a different answer.

Odd question to the thread owner and also deliberately controversial, and most importantly very difficult to answer.

I have to laugh at your assessment of "modern heavies". Frazier would kill either Klitschko. I believe he would have beaten Lewis too, since Lewis had a week chin and poor recuperative powers.



To the OP, this should have been posted in boxers of the past forum and you would have got more answers like Horses. There are loads of great white fighters that would more than hold their own with any fighter, from any racial background in history. I don't buy into the rubbish that any race is better than the other by default.

Old bones Ian wrote:

reggaereggae wrote:

DIRT SUGAR wrote:In the modern era they don't come much whiter than Ricky Hatton! Coulda done with a few sunbed sessions or a spray tan or two. Talk about beyond the pale :)

Canelo is pretty white for a Mexican too.....

I'd say Billy Hardy is the whitest boxer i've seen.

Jon Saxon wrote:Harry Greb? FFS give it a rest!! none of you have even saw the man fight.

Jeez!!!!

damianhucker1 wrote:

Syntax Error wrote:1) Willie Pep

2) Harry Greb

3) Jim Jeffries

Ive no idea who these are , ive heard of willie pep before but certainly dont recall seeing any of them fight .

Maybe its my age , they are maybe from too long ago for me to really know them , im not exactly a boxing historian .

But obviously black boxers i can just reel them off the top of my head .

also to be clear can mods keep an eye on this thread in case of any idiots making un needed comments .

reggaereggae wrote:

Old bones Ian wrote:

reggaereggae wrote:

Canelo is pretty white for a Mexican too.....

I'd say Billy Hardy is the whitest boxer i've seen.

And almost certainly the ugliest! Sorry Billy, nothing personal but you could curdle milk, just by looking at its reflection

reggaereggae wrote:Idiotic question due to its racial nature, and would be controversial if it wasn't about white people

Eras, socio-demographic patterns and defining 'best' are all important question here.

Best at the time is another factor.

Would Rocky MArciano, Joe Louis, Jack Johnson, Jack Dempsey be able to compete with the modern heavyweight? Of course not; too small, with a more basic understanding of sports science plus less technical skills would see them destroyed. Can anyone really expect a 13st 6 bls Rocky to compete with Lennox Lewis? Of course not. ALso look how crude Jack Dempsey, Jack johnson, Jess Willard were compared to the modern fighter. Sure they were tough - but lift them out of their era and stick them in the ring with a big modern heavyweight and they wouldn't have a chance.

Also, ignoring the big names, some of the Heavyweights Ali and even Holmes were dreadful, as well as around14-15 stone. Wepner, Richard Dunn, Coopman, David Bey, Scott Frank, Leroy Jones were just awful.


Joe FRazier was amazing, but at his best he weighed only 205 lbs. Klitchkos would be too big.

However Joe Louis, Marciano, Dempsey, Ali, Holmes were the best at the time by far. And Rocky never got beat. Of course he would've done if he'd gone on forever but he didn't.

Don't get me wrong, boxing suits black physiques in a way that say weightlifting, world's strongest man etc doesn't.

But who asks 'who are the best Asian (ie Indian/Pakistani/Bangledeshi) fighters'? Well, there are not many. But Khan shows they exist. I mean few fighters are quicker than him. But ask who are the best Asian squash players and you get a different answer.

Odd question to the thread owner and also deliberately controversial, and most importantly very difficult to answer.

JDC wrote:

damianhucker1 wrote:

Syntax Error wrote:1) Willie Pep

2) Harry Greb

3) Jim Jeffries

Ive no idea who these are , ive heard of willie pep before but certainly dont recall seeing any of them fight .

Maybe its my age , they are maybe from too long ago for me to really know them , im not exactly a boxing historian .

But obviously black boxers i can just reel them off the top of my head .

also to be clear can mods keep an eye on this thread in case of any idiots making un needed comments .

Sir, you have no right starting this thread.

OMG, I'm dumbfounded...

DaveBoyMorrison wrote:

reggaereggae wrote:Idiotic question due to its racial nature, and would be controversial if it wasn't about white people

Eras, socio-demographic patterns and defining 'best' are all important question here.

Best at the time is another factor.

Would Rocky MArciano, Joe Louis, Jack Johnson, Jack Dempsey be able to compete with the modern heavyweight? Of course not; too small, with a more basic understanding of sports science plus less technical skills would see them destroyed. Can anyone really expect a 13st 6 bls Rocky to compete with Lennox Lewis? Of course not. ALso look how crude Jack Dempsey, Jack johnson, Jess Willard were compared to the modern fighter. Sure they were tough - but lift them out of their era and stick them in the ring with a big modern heavyweight and they wouldn't have a chance.

Also, ignoring the big names, some of the Heavyweights Ali and even Holmes were dreadful, as well as around14-15 stone. Wepner, Richard Dunn, Coopman, David Bey, Scott Frank, Leroy Jones were just awful.


Joe FRazier was amazing, but at his best he weighed only 205 lbs. Klitchkos would be too big.

However Joe Louis, Marciano, Dempsey, Ali, Holmes were the best at the time by far. And Rocky never got beat. Of course he would've done if he'd gone on forever but he didn't.

Don't get me wrong, boxing suits black physiques in a way that say weightlifting, world's strongest man etc doesn't.

But who asks 'who are the best Asian (ie Indian/Pakistani/Bangledeshi) fighters'? Well, there are not many. But Khan shows th

ey exist. I mean few fighters are quicker than him. But ask who are the best Asian squash players and you get a different answer.

Odd question to the thread owner and also deliberately controversial, and most importantly very difficult to answer.

I have to laugh at your assessment of "modern heavies". Frazier would kill either Klitschko. I believe he would have beaten Lewis too, since Lewis had a week chin and poor recuperative powers.



To the OP, this should have been posted in boxers of the past forum and you would have got more answers like Horses. There are loads of great white fighters that would more than hold their own with any fighter, from any racial background in history. I don't buy into the rubbish that any race is better than the other by default.

Horse wrote:Harry greb
Willie Pep
Benny Leonard
Jimmy Wilde
Barney Ross
Bob Fitzsimmons
Mickey Walker
Rocky Marciano
Gene Tunney
Jack Dempsey

reggaereggae wrote:Idiotic question due to its racial nature, and would be controversial if it wasn't about white people

Eras, socio-demographic patterns and defining 'best' are all important question here.

Best at the time is another factor.

Would Rocky MArciano, Joe Louis, Jack Johnson, Jack Dempsey be able to compete with the modern heavyweight? Of course not; too small, with a more basic understanding of sports science plus less technical skills would see them destroyed. Can anyone really expect a 13st 6 bls Rocky to compete with Lennox Lewis? Of course not. ALso look how crude Jack Dempsey, Jack johnson, Jess Willard were compared to the modern fighter. Sure they were tough - but lift them out of their era and stick them in the ring with a big modern heavyweight and they wouldn't have a chance.

Also, ignoring the big names, some of the Heavyweights Ali and even Holmes were dreadful, as well as around14-15 stone. Wepner, Richard Dunn, Coopman, David Bey, Scott Frank, Leroy Jones were just awful.


Joe FRazier was amazing, but at his best he weighed only 205 lbs. Klitchkos would be too big.

However Joe Louis, Marciano, Dempsey, Ali, Holmes were the best at the time by far. And Rocky never got beat. Of course he would've done if he'd gone on forever but he didn't.

Don't get me wrong, boxing suits black physiques in a way that say weightlifting, world's strongest man etc doesn't.

But who asks 'who are the best Asian (ie Indian/Pakistani/Bangledeshi) fighters'? Well, there are not many. But Khan shows they exist. I mean few fighters are quicker than him. But ask who are the best Asian squash players and you get a different answer.

Odd question to the thread owner and also deliberately controversial, and most importantly very difficult to answer.

keithmoonhangover wrote:

reggaereggae wrote:Idiotic question due to its racial nature, and would be controversial if it wasn't about white people

Eras, socio-demographic patterns and defining 'best' are all important question here.

Best at the time is another factor.

Would Rocky MArciano, Joe Louis, Jack Johnson, Jack Dempsey be able to compete with the modern heavyweight? Of course not; too small, with a more basic understanding of sports science plus less technical skills would see them destroyed. Can anyone really expect a 13st 6 bls Rocky to compete with Lennox Lewis? Of course not. ALso look how crude Jack Dempsey, Jack johnson, Jess Willard were compared to the modern fighter. Sure they were tough - but lift them out of their era and stick them in the ring with a big modern heavyweight and they wouldn't have a chance.

Also, ignoring the big names, some of the Heavyweights Ali and even Holmes were dreadful, as well as around14-15 stone. Wepner, Richard Dunn, Coopman, David Bey, Scott Frank, Leroy Jones were just awful.


Joe FRazier was amazing, but at his best he weighed only 205 lbs. Klitchkos would be too big.

However Joe Louis, Marciano, Dempsey, Ali, Holmes were the best at the time by far. And Rocky never got beat. Of course he would've done if he'd gone on forever but he didn't.

Don't get me wrong, boxing suits black physiques in a way that say weightlifting, world's strongest man etc doesn't.

But who asks 'who are the best Asian (ie Indian/Pakistani/Bangledeshi) fighters'? Well, there are not many. But Khan shows they exist. I mean few fighters are quicker than him. But ask who are the best Asian squash players and you get a different answer.

Odd question to the thread owner and also deliberately controversial, and most importantly very difficult to answer.

Is the Miss Black America contest racist?

damianhucker1 wrote:

DaveBoyMorrison wrote:

reggaereggae wrote:Idiotic question due to its racial nature, and would be controversial if it wasn't about white people

Eras, socio-demographic patterns and defining 'best' are all important question here.

Best at the time is another factor.

Would Rocky MArciano, Joe Louis, Jack Johnson, Jack Dempsey be able to compete with the modern heavyweight? Of course not; too small, with a more basic understanding of sports science plus less technical skills would see them destroyed. Can anyone really expect a 13st 6 bls Rocky to compete with Lennox Lewis? Of course not. ALso look how crude Jack Dempsey, Jack johnson, Jess Willard were compared to the modern fighter. Sure they were tough - but lift them out of their era and stick them in the ring with a big modern heavyweight and they wouldn't have a chance.

Also, ignoring the big names, some of the Heavyweights Ali and even Holmes were dreadful, as well as around14-15 stone. Wepner, Richard Dunn, Coopman, David Bey, Scott Frank, Leroy Jones were just awful.


Joe FRazier was amazing, but at his best he weighed only 205 lbs. Klitchkos would be too big.

However Joe Louis, Marciano, Dempsey, Ali, Holmes were the best at the time by far. And Rocky never got beat. Of course he would've done if he'd gone on forever but he didn't.

Don't get me wrong, boxing suits black physiques in a way that say weightlifting, world's strongest man etc doesn't.

But who asks 'who are the best Asian (ie Indian/Pakistani/Bangledeshi) fighters'? Well, there are not many. But Khan shows th

ey exist. I mean few fighters are quicker than him. But ask who are the best Asian squash players and you get a different answer.

Odd question to the thread owner and also deliberately controversial, and most importantly very difficult to answer.

I have to laugh at your assessment of "modern heavies". Frazier would kill either Klitschko. I believe he would have beaten Lewis too, since Lewis had a week chin and poor recuperative powers.



To the OP, this should have been posted in boxers of the past forum and you would have got more answers like Horses. There are loads of great white fighters that would more than hold their own with any fighter, from any racial background in history. I don't buy into the rubbish that any race is better than the other by default.

Fair point , but i dont post in there as i generally have no interest in the past boxers , this was just something that was talked about in the gym , nothing more

reggaereggae wrote:

keithmoonhangover wrote:

reggaereggae wrote:Idiotic question due to its racial nature, and would be controversial if it wasn't about white people

Eras, socio-demographic patterns and defining 'best' are all important question here.

Best at the time is another factor.

Would Rocky MArciano, Joe Louis, Jack Johnson, Jack Dempsey be able to compete with the modern heavyweight? Of course not; too small, with a more basic understanding of sports science plus less technical skills would see them destroyed. Can anyone really expect a 13st 6 bls Rocky to compete with Lennox Lewis? Of course not. ALso look how crude Jack Dempsey, Jack johnson, Jess Willard were compared to the modern fighter. Sure they were tough - but lift them out of their era and stick them in the ring with a big modern heavyweight and they wouldn't have a chance.

Also, ignoring the big names, some of the Heavyweights Ali and even Holmes were dreadful, as well as around14-15 stone. Wepner, Richard Dunn, Coopman, David Bey, Scott Frank, Leroy Jones were just awful.


Joe FRazier was amazing, but at his best he weighed only 205 lbs. Klitchkos would be too big.

However Joe Louis, Marciano, Dempsey, Ali, Holmes were the best at the time by far. And Rocky never got beat. Of course he would've done if he'd gone on forever but he didn't.

Don't get me wrong, boxing suits black physiques in a way that say weightlifting, world's strongest man etc doesn't.

But who asks 'who are the best Asian (ie Indian/Pakistani/Bangledeshi) fighters'? Well, there are not many. But Khan shows they exist. I mean few fighters are quicker than him. But ask who are the best Asian squash players and you get a different answer.

Odd question to the thread owner and also deliberately controversial, and most importantly very difficult to answer.

Is the Miss Black America contest racist?

In some ways yes

keithmoonhangover wrote:

Horse wrote:Harry greb
Willie Pep
Benny Leonard
Jimmy Wilde
Barney Ross
Bob Fitzsimmons
Mickey Walker
Rocky Marciano
Gene Tunney
Jack Dempsey

No Stanley Ketchel?

Horse wrote:

keithmoonhangover wrote:

Horse wrote:Harry greb
Willie Pep
Benny Leonard
Jimmy Wilde
Barney Ross
Bob Fitzsimmons
Mickey Walker
Rocky Marciano
Gene Tunney
Jack Dempsey

No Stanley Ketchel?

I decided to only post 10 and Ketchel didn't quite make it.