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Seamus wrote:What didn't Henry Armstrong do better than DeJesus ?

Not much, maybe better off the back foot but I haven't seen enough of Armstrong to say for sure.

homocide hank wins easily look at the fighters duran fought at lightweight duran was a great fighter but the opponents he fought dont meassure up to armstrong at lw bert sugar named armstrong the second greatest fighter of all time. take a close look at armstrongs record its amazing he did not fight a lot of cab drivers .

Elmer ranks Armstrong as the number 1 p4p. Even Sugar Ray Robinson ranks below Armstrong. However, when it comes to Duran nobody beats him. Not even De Jesus, Benitez, Leonard, Hagler, Hearns. Not even the great Armstrong. I guess Armstrong is not as good as De Jesus, Benitez, Leonard, Hagler, and Hearns.

This is a 51/49 in favor of Duran for me. Armstrong was relentless but Duran had better defensive skills along with his excellent counter-punching ability. I favor slightly Duran but by the sightless of margin.

scotto wrote:homocide hank wins easily look at the fighters duran fought at lightweight duran was a great fighter but the opponents he fought dont meassure up to armstrong at lw bert sugar named armstrong the second greatest fighter of all time. take a close look at armstrongs record its amazing he did not fight a lot of cab drivers .

To say that the great Roberto Duran did not fight good and excellent fighters at lightweight you may have to see those fights again. Those guys knew how to fight: Ken Buchanan, Ishimatsu Suzuki, Esteban De Jesus, Ray Lampkin, Hector Thompson, Edwin Viruet, Saoul Mamby and Vilomar Fernandez. The great Henry Armstrong would have trouble with those guys, too. Lots of trouble.

I could live by if someone is saying that Henry would beat Roberto. I could live with that. But to say that Duran's quality of opposition at lightweight was not up to par that would be very unfair statement to say. I cannot see Armstrong beating Duran at no weight class. Duran feast of these type of Armstrong's quality.

elmersalsa wrote:

scotto wrote:homocide hank wins easily look at the fighters duran fought at lightweight duran was a great fighter but the opponents he fought dont meassure up to armstrong at lw bert sugar named armstrong the second greatest fighter of all time. take a close look at armstrongs record its amazing he did not fight a lot of cab drivers .

To say that the great Roberto Duran did not fight good and excellent fighters at lightweight you may have to see those fights again. Those guys knew how to fight: Ken Buchanan, Ishimatsu Suzuki, Esteban De Jesus, Ray Lampkin, Hector Thompson, Edwin Viruet, Saoul Mamby and Vilomar Fernandez. The great Henry Armstrong would have trouble with those guys, too. Lots of trouble.

I could live by if someone is saying that Henry would beat Roberto. I could live with that. But to say that Duran's quality of opposition at lightweight was not up to par that would be very unfair statement to say. I cannot see Armstrong beating Duran at no weight class. Duran feast of these type of Armstrong's quality.

I thought stating Armstrong would have lots of trouble with the likes of Saoul Mamby & Ray Lampkin took the cake for this post, but this...

"I cannot see Armstrong beating Duran at no weightclass. Duran feast on these type of ARMSTRONG'S QUALITY."

...is magnificent. Hahahaha.

To say nothing of the generosity shown here...

"I could live by if someone is saying Henry would beat Roberto."

Gee. How forgiving.

Goodnight, Irene wrote:

elmersalsa wrote:

scotto wrote:homocide hank wins easily look at the fighters duran fought at lightweight duran was a great fighter but the opponents he fought dont meassure up to armstrong at lw bert sugar named armstrong the second greatest fighter of all time. take a close look at armstrongs record its amazing he did not fight a lot of cab drivers .

To say that the great Roberto Duran did not fight good and excellent fighters at lightweight you may have to see those fights again. Those guys knew how to fight: Ken Buchanan, Ishimatsu Suzuki, Esteban De Jesus, Ray Lampkin, Hector Thompson, Edwin Viruet, Saoul Mamby and Vilomar Fernandez. The great Henry Armstrong would have trouble with those guys, too. Lots of trouble.

I could live by if someone is saying that Henry would beat Roberto. I could live with that. But to say that Duran's quality of opposition at lightweight was not up to par that would be very unfair statement to say. I cannot see Armstrong beating Duran at no weight class. Duran feast of these type of Armstrong's quality.

I thought stating Armstrong would have lots of trouble with the likes of Saoul Mamby & Ray Lampkin took the cake for this post, but this...

"I cannot see Armstrong beating Duran at no weightclass. Duran feast on these type of ARMSTRONG'S QUALITY."

...is magnificent. Hahahaha.

To say nothing of the generosity shown here...

"I could live by if someone is saying Henry would beat Roberto."

Gee. How forgiving.

Everybody got their own opinion. If you say that Armtrong beat Duran...Fine...That is your opinion. My opinion is that Duran would feast with guys of Armstrong's style. He would not be able to overwhelm Duran in the infighting and did not had the upper body strenght to match Duran's.

And yes, Armstrong would have trouble with Mamby and Lampkin. Two excellent fighters.

You didn't say Armstrong's style, you said his quality.

There is a cypress hill song coming to mind now.

I suppose you would have to say, were Duran's LW opponents better or worse than Armstrong's Elmer, surely you would have to say Armstong's opponents were better no?

Roars Like Me wrote:I suppose you would have to say, were Duran's LW opponents better or worse than Armstrong's Elmer, surely you would have to say Armstong's opponents were better no?

Doesnt matter.

Armstrong doesnt show up after the lumps he takes beating Saoul Mamby, apparently.

Duran being a clever and intelligent fighter, buys some very flashy and sparkly shoes....which is all it takes to distract Armstrong enough to snatch Henry's focus, and allow Duran just the edge he needs.

Goodnight, Irene wrote:

Roars Like Me wrote:I suppose you would have to say, were Duran's LW opponents better or worse than Armstrong's Elmer, surely you would have to say Armstong's opponents were better no?

Doesnt matter.

Armstrong doesnt show up after the lumps he takes beating Saoul Mamby, apparently.

Duran feasts on guys like Armstrong ? You mean he feasts on guys who hold and defend the Welterweight title, while weighing within the Lightweight limit.

In the last 24 hours ive read that felix sturm is one of the top ten middleweights of all time,and henry armstrong would lose to saul mamby and ray lampkin. somebody wake me up i must be dreaming.

Make it clear, I have never said that Lampkin and Mamby would have beaten Armstrong. But it would not be a walk in the park for Henry, either.

I just cannot see Henry beating Duran. His style, was perfect for Roberto. Roberto loved those type of fighters to come to him. I see lots of lumps in Henry's face.

The fact you make it clear Armstrong, who you rank as P4P #1 in all of history, has zero chance here ("I Just cannot see Henry beating Roberto") closes the book on any pretense of objectivity you have regarding Duran.

Goodnight, Irene wrote:The fact you make it clear Armstrong, who you rank as P4P #1 in all of history, has zero chance here ("I Just cannot see Henry beating Roberto") closes the book on any pretense of objectivity you have regarding Duran.

I have never said that Henry had zero chance. Now, I am saying that he would not win a 3-fight series against Roberto

You change your opinion or wording from minute-to-minute!

Goodnight, Irene wrote:You change your opinion or wording from minute-to-minute!

He is a machine.

Its like that movie, The Thing. You dont know what his post will morph into next.

Goodnight, Irene wrote:You change your opinion or wording from minute-to-minute!

Whatever, mate

Both in there primes, I'd take Armstrong by a close 15 round decision.

keithmoonhangover wrote:Both in there primes, I'd take Armstrong by a close 15 round decision.

You must be out of your mind. It takes more than an all out attack to overwhelm and beat Duran. Guys like Armstrong were perfect for him. Guys that came forward to really fight. It would be an interesting scrap, but Armstrong would not cope with a complete and intelligent fighter like Duran.

As a matter of fact, I don't see Armstrong beating these guys:
Alexis Arguello, Eusebio Pedroza nor Salvador Sanchez at featherweight
Sugar Ray Leonard nor Kid Gavilan at welterweight
Thomas Hearns nor Mike McCallum nor Julian Jackson at super welter
Marvin Hagler, Gene Fullmer nor Carlos Monzon at middleweight.

Now we're talking about lightweights, Armstrong loses to:
Joe Brown
Carlos Ortiz
Ismael Laguna
Nicolino Locche
Roberto Duran

Also at lightweight, I could see Armstrong losing to Ken Buchanan...Buchanan would box his ears off.

Elmer, with the rubbish you are posting you are in danger of making Irene look almost knowledgable.