allegedly, FW, and Haye V Chisora!

[Final round]

So should fight fans who are not directly involved in the fight not be allowed to speak now? Glenn McCory has spoken about it also, should he keep his nose out?

We don't know what FM would do if he could.... the only bit of dirt allegedly could have on him are completely unfounded bits of information relating to the Darren Sutherland case, not about the boxing per se.

Hearn might be a different kettle of fish.

And McCory is relevant because..?

My point was to final round, should everyone not involved in the fight keep their mouths shut then? Final round has stated that Maloney should keep his nose out so he is not involved.... what about fighters, fight fans, journos etc who are not involved? Should there be no negative opinion pieces on it in Boxing News or Boxing Monthly.

If people took this stance about every talking point in boxing, all the internet forums would be dead.

No, my point was these holier than thou promoters Frank Maloney etc should keep 'their' noses out trying to take the moral high ground against this fight been made as they have all had dealings with fighters who've ahem* stepped out of line.

[Final round]

So should fight fans who are not directly involved in the fight not be allowed to speak now? Glenn McCory has spoken about it also, should he keep his nose out?

We don't know what FM would do if he could.... the only bit of dirt allegedly could have on him are completely unfounded bits of information relating to the Darren Sutherland case, not about the boxing per se.

Hearn might be a different kettle of fish.

And McCory is relevant because..?

My point was to final round, should everyone not involved in the fight keep their mouths shut then? Final round has stated that Maloney should keep his nose out so he is not involved.... what about fighters, fight fans, journos etc who are not involved? Should there be no negative opinion pieces on it in Boxing News or Boxing Monthly.

If people took this stance about every talking point in boxing, all the internet forums would be dead.

No, my point was these holier than thou promoters Frank Maloney etc should keep 'their' noses out trying to take the moral high ground against this fight been made as they have all had dealings with fighters who've ahem* stepped out of line.

[Final round]

So should fight fans who are not directly involved in the fight not be allowed to speak now? Glenn McCory has spoken about it also, should he keep his nose out?

We don't know what FM would do if he could.... the only bit of dirt allegedly could have on him are completely unfounded bits of information relating to the Darren Sutherland case, not about the boxing per se.

Hearn might be a different kettle of fish.

And McCory is relevant because..?

My point was to final round, should everyone not involved in the fight keep their mouths shut then? Final round has stated that Maloney should keep his nose out so he is not involved.... what about fighters, fight fans, journos etc who are not involved? Should there be no negative opinion pieces on it in Boxing News or Boxing Monthly.

If people took this stance about every talking point in boxing, all the internet forums would be dead.

No, my point was these holier than thou promoters Frank Maloney etc should keep 'their' noses out trying to take the moral high ground against this fight been made as they have all had dealings with fighters who've ahem* stepped out of line.

[Final round]

So should fight fans who are not directly involved in the fight not be allowed to speak now? Glenn McCory has spoken about it also, should he keep his nose out?

We don't know what FM would do if he could.... the only bit of dirt allegedly could have on him are completely unfounded bits of information relating to the Darren Sutherland case, not about the boxing per se.

Hearn might be a different kettle of fish.

And McCory is relevant because..?

My point was to final round, should everyone not involved in the fight keep their mouths shut then? Final round has stated that Maloney should keep his nose out so he is not involved.... what about fighters, fight fans, journos etc who are not involved? Should there be no negative opinion pieces on it in Boxing News or Boxing Monthly.

If people took this stance about every talking point in boxing, all the internet forums would be dead.

No, my point was these holier than thou promoters Frank Maloney etc should keep 'their' noses out trying to take the moral high ground against this fight been made as they have all had dealings with fighters who've ahem* stepped out of line.

[dondada]

I will be unsubscribing for this fight. It's a farce, and everyone involved should be ashamed of what they are doing to the sport. Talk about setting a bad example :(

Stop trolling you're farting in the wind if you think anyone on a boxing site is going to tune out of this fight because it upsets you and 30 posts 10 of which are about how you dont want the fight to happen because of the naughty men.

He's not trolling. There's a bigger picture here which a lot of people aren't bothered about because they're too busy salivating over a fight between two chaps who engaged in some WWE cack.

[stujones]

And McCory is relevant because..?

My point was to final round, should everyone not involved in the fight keep their mouths shut then? Final round has stated that Maloney should keep his nose out so he is not involved.... what about fighters, fight fans, journos etc who are not involved? Should there be no negative opinion pieces on it in Boxing News or Boxing Monthly.

If people took this stance about every talking point in boxing, all the internet forums would be dead.

No, my point was these holier than thou promoters Frank Maloney etc should keep 'their' noses out trying to take the moral high ground against this fight been made as they have all had dealings with fighters who've ahem* stepped out of line.

They've had dealings with fighters who have stepped out of line, but only with the backing of the board or after the board deemed them fit to return.

Maloney promoted Tony Oakey, Oakey got his licenced suspended at his prime years cause of drugs.... did he fight on any unlicenced show (with Maloney's backing) during that suspension.

[stujones]

I won't be subscribing to the channel airing the fight because I can't justify the expense. I'm not a Sky subscriber either. I'm not opposed to the fight, though. It's great that the sport is in the headlines - although I will say that I think both Haye and Chisora are scum.

On a side-note, whilst I didn't see Bunce's Boxing Hour, I know Stu Jones isn't the type to make things up, for Warren to use the Sutherland case as a means of getting at Maloney proves what a spiteful, horrible wretch he is.

Yeah it was horrible viewing. He was bigging himself up by talking about the Michael Watson case and how he bailed the BBBoC out - painting the BBBoC as bad guys regarding how the Derek Chisora hearing went.

Then he turned on Matchroom and Maloney, cause they are sky promoters. The only bit of dirt he had on Matchroom related to Snooker and Darts (and I am not sure how accurate he was about Snooker - saying that Barry Hearn formed a break away group of players in Snooker?). And then he went below the belt on Maloney with the Sutherland case.... "they should be worrying about their own business".

[Fatsam]

On the subject of allegedly i think it's a great step forward now its gone to online mode also, no longer do i have to fork out for the whole sports package just to watch the boxing.

[Final round]

My point was to final round, should everyone not involved in the fight keep their mouths shut then? Final round has stated that Maloney should keep his nose out so he is not involved.... what about fighters, fight fans, journos etc who are not involved? Should there be no negative opinion pieces on it in Boxing News or Boxing Monthly.

If people took this stance about every talking point in boxing, all the internet forums would be dead.

No, my point was these holier than thou promoters Frank Maloney etc should keep 'their' noses out trying to take the moral high ground against this fight been made as they have all had dealings with fighters who've ahem* stepped out of line.

They've had dealings with fighters who have stepped out of line, but only with the backing of the board or after the board deemed them fit to return.

Maloney promoted Tony Oakey, Oakey got his licenced suspended at his prime years cause of drugs.... did he fight on any unlicenced show (with Maloney's backing) during that suspension.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/boxing/17996761

Frank Maloney 'these guys are two losers, it's happening because of a punch-up in a press conference". makes no mention of the licence situation. If being in trouble outside the ring equals a loser or putting two fighters together who've both lost there last fights then Franks worked with plenty of 'em...

[keithmoonhangover]

To promote a fight that the BBBofC won't touch and get the Lux federation involved, just so he can promote a fight.

Morals out of the window, he must love the money.... allegedly.

[stujones]

So cause Maloney didn't make a reference about the licence itself, his comments were not about the fact these two are not licenced? Off course its an issue.

Every single major promoter has dealt with "bad boys" (I won't mention the long list of FW promoted shows that involved bad boys before this fight) - but Maloney hasn't dealt with one who fought without a BBBoC licence.

[Final round]

So cause Maloney didn't make a reference about the licence itself, his comments were not about the fact these two are not licenced? Off course its an issue.

Every single major promoter has dealt with "bad boys" (I won't mention the long list of FW promoted shows that involved bad boys before this fight) - but Maloney hasn't dealt with one who fought without a BBBoC licence.

No don't mention the long list of bad boys in the whole history of the sport either please...
Oh well at least Franks boy Price thinks it will be good fight for the sport.

[dondada]

To promote a fight that the BBBofC won't touch and get the Lux federation involved, just so he can promote a fight.

Morals out of the window, he must love the money.... allegedly.

It's not just you alleging this.

The Board have quite clearly said so:

"This is nothing more than an attempt to circumvent the decision of the Stewards of the British Boxing Board of Control, in respect of Dereck Chisora, for monetary gain."

[Finn]

I will be unsubscribing for this fight. It's a farce, and everyone involved should be ashamed of what they are doing to the sport. Talk about setting a bad example :(

Stop trolling you're farting in the wind if you think anyone on a boxing site is going to tune out of this fight because it upsets you and 30 posts 10 of which are about how you dont want the fight to happen because of the naughty men.

He's not trolling. There's a bigger picture here which a lot of people aren't bothered about because they're too busy salivating over a fight between two chaps who engaged in some WWE cack.

Theres been smack talk and press conference brawls since boxing began its part and parcel of the sport explain what the bigger picture is? Its just a bunch of holier than now people trying to make a mountain out of a molehill, talking about how boxing needs to take a stance, i dont see people in any other sport getting banned significantly.

Let me ask you this which is worst for the "Kids" as glen mcrory put it -

suarez racially abusing another player, then the entire liverpool squad wearing shirts supporting him, refusing to shake the player he insulted hand and only being banned for 5 weeks.

Marlon King being sacked for beating a woman outside a night club then given a job by another club the next day.

Rooney sleeping with prossies.

Jermain Penant playing football whilst wearing a tag.

Roy Keane jumping on a mans leg and breaking it.

Craig Bellamy attacking Reissa with a golf club.

I could go on forever we have rapes, thefts, racial attacks, affairs, pitch fights, putting cigars out in youth players eyes in football and noone is bothered but Haye and Chisora have a little scuffle at a presser and suddenly they should be banned for life and boxing has gone down the toilet. I bet a whole lot more kids watch football than they do boxing. Old Joey Barton has probably done all of the above and hasnt been banned significantly, its a joke double standards for boxing and other sports.

[FtmPress]

can any one enlighten me as to what Mr Warren said re Darren Suntherland and myself.As i d0 not watch allegedly sorry to say Thank You

[rhino222]

can any one enlighten me as to what Mr Warren said re Darren Suntherland and myself.As i d0 not watch Allegedly Channel sorry to say Thank You

there will be footage of it somewhere frank, it was well below the belt and uncalled for.

[jonny]

can any one enlighten me as to what Mr Warren said re Darren Suntherland and myself.As i d0 not watch Allegedly Channel sorry to say Thank You

"frank Maloney he had a really terrible time in Ireland recently at a postmortem over a very unfortunate incident where he was highly critisized, am not going to go into that but the facts of the matter is get on with your own stuff and leave us to do what we are doing".

[stujones]

Stop trolling you're farting in the wind if you think anyone on a boxing site is going to tune out of this fight because it upsets you and 30 posts 10 of which are about how you dont want the fight to happen because of the naughty men.

He's not trolling. There's a bigger picture here which a lot of people aren't bothered about because they're too busy salivating over a fight between two chaps who engaged in some WWE cack.

Theres been smack talk and press conference brawls since boxing began its part and parcel of the sport explain what the bigger picture is? Its just a bunch of holier than now people trying to make a mountain out of a molehill, talking about how boxing needs to take a stance, i dont see people in any other sport getting banned significantly.

Let me ask you this which is worst for the "Kids" as glen mcrory put it -

suarez racially abusing another player, then the entire liverpool squad wearing shirts supporting him, refusing to shake the player he insulted hand and only being banned for 5 weeks.

Marlon King being sacked for beating a woman outside a night club then given a job by another club the next day.

Rooney sleeping with prossies.

Jermain Penant playing football whilst wearing a tag.

Roy Keane jumping on a mans leg and breaking it.

Craig Bellamy attacking Reissa with a golf club.

I could go on forever we have rapes, thefts, racial attacks, affairs, pitch fights, putting cigars out in youth players eyes in football and noone is bothered but Haye and Chisora have a little scuffle at a presser and suddenly they should be banned for life and boxing has gone down the toilet. I bet a whole lot more kids watch football than they do boxing. Old Joey Barton has probably done all of the above and hasnt been banned significantly, its a joke double standards for boxing and other sports.

Hope Joey didn't read that post..... anyway, double standards or not.... the facts are they deemed Dereck Chisora unfit to fight. Whether it is harsh or not, thats their call..... they AINT stated such a thing about Haye - just David can't be arsed to even ask the board for his licence.

The BBBoC didn't ban Chisora for life - they suspended his licence indefinately...... they never gave a date when Chisroa could reapply, but they categorically said that he would be able to reapply.

I wouldn't have a problem of Chisora vs Haye under BBBoC rules..... why couldn't they wait. Maybe FW realised that Chisora might not get his licence back - it was ironic how Warren spoke of Chisora's sorrow and yet they still wouldn't grant him an appeal date..... then when Chisora spoke on the Bunce show he stated the only thing he regretted was talking about guns and shooting Haye.No regrets about the provoking, no regrets about his behaviour to the klitchsko's.

Anyway, for me their behaviour is irrelevant to this whole discussion. As you rightfully say, worst crimes have been committed and people have been allowed to box. Problem is, these two are not licenced.... whether you agree with that decision or not isn't the point..... why couldn't they wait for the appeal etc.

Tyson coming here to fight Francis and Savarese created a media storm which blows this out of the water... there were women's right protesters meeting him at the airport and everything. Warren's line for those fights.... "he's done his time for his crime, and is now deemed fit to fight"...... whether you agree or not, Warren cannot say the same for Chisora, and Haye can't even be bothered to try and get his old licence back.

[FtmPress]

FtmPress wrote:
can any one enlighten me as to what Mr Warren said re Darren Suntherland and myself.As i d0 not watch Allegedly Channel sorry to say Thank You


there will be footage of it somewhere frank, it was well below the belt and uncalled for.
What do you expect from some people. the case was over here not in Ireland and other were looking to blame someone for the death of a mixed up young man,I can understand that ( Mr Warren can say what he likes i can sleep at ease at night re this). There a lot that could be brought up about others pass but thats not the way to behave every man to there own way. Is a free world and every one like you posters on here is allow a opint. on a fight or how is put together I said these are 2 loses fighting if i am wrong please point were i am wrong.Look at there records and yes i do think is wrong for the fight not to be under the BBBofC as is in this country.If they want the fight under Luxembourg way not take the fight to Luxembourg because no one would go and watch it..It does not matter what i say or think if you want to see the fight you will go or buy it on there tv for me is the same i will watch it if is on some where i will be but i choice not to buy it or go because i see no benefit to the fight for even mans career is a step back for Haye it can only be about one thing money for all involed

[keithmoonhangover]

Here's the thing. If the BBBofC ban Warren if this fight goes through, then none of Warren's fighters will be able to defend or fight for a British title if FW is promoting the fight. Mr F clearly hasn't thought this through. What a flippin' gonk he is.

No doubt the Lux Boxing Federation will come up with it's own title if need be,

[jameswilson]

I noticed Hayemaker promotions are involved in the 'promotion' here. One thing that sprung into my mind that someone on here might be able to confirm. Was Hayemaker promotions involved at all with the Haye v Wlad fight? I am right in saying Haye earnt very close to or equal to what Wladimir earnt from their fight aren't I?

[earsjohn]

A lot of posters seem to think that Warren is promoting this fight. He is most definitely not. His involvement is as Chisoras manager and as a shareholder in CrapNation. The fight is being promoted by Sauerland and Hayemaker. I can entirely see Warren working a way so he has no official involvement and therefore the Board have no cause to withdraw his license!

On a side note, is Warren, as manager of likely undercard fighters like Buglioni and Skeete going to encourage them to fight on this card when it is likely to see them lose their licences and restrict future opportunities to fight on UK shows and fight for Board sanctioned titles (Lonsdale, English, southern area)? Not sure that is acting in the best interests of his clients, which surely is the number one requirement for a manager.

[stujones]

Earsjohn.... here is what the BBBoC state regarding what they would do with licence holders.

For the avoidance of doubt, any member of the British Boxing Board of Control who participates in any way in such a promotion will be deemed to have terminated his/her membership of the British Boxing Board of Control and his/her licence therewith, for the reasons stated above.

Participation includes taking any steps directly or indirectly, to arrange, advertise, broadcast, facilitate, officiate or take part in any way in such a promotion.

You don't have to be the official promoter to get in trouble according to the board..... going on Bunce's hour to advertise the fight, speaking at the press conference surely means that FW COULD (and I do emphasise the word could) be on hot water.

It will be interesting what Ringside on Sky says about it today..... Sky was on the banner sponsoring it.

It will be interesting also to see if boxers not affilated with the show start deleting the tweets saying how good the fight is.

[earsjohn]

Earsjohn.... here is what the BBBoC state regarding what they would do with licence holders.

For the avoidance of doubt, any member of the British Boxing Board of Control who participates in any way in such a promotion will be deemed to have terminated his/her membership of the British Boxing Board of Control and his/her licence therewith, for the reasons stated above.

Participation includes taking any steps directly or indirectly, to arrange, advertise, broadcast, facilitate, officiate or take part in any way in such a promotion.

You don't have to be the official promoter to get in trouble according to the board..... going on Bunce's hour to advertise the fight, speaking at the press conference surely means that FW COULD (and I do emphasise the word could) be on hot water.

It will be interesting what Ringside on Sky says about it today..... Sky was on the banner sponsoring it.

It will be interesting also to see if boxers not affilated with the show start deleting the tweets saying how good the fight is.

Cheers Stu. That second boldest paragraph is clearly aimed directly at Frogface.

I support the Board 100% over this, but will still watch the fight. Personally, I hate hypocrites.

[dondada]

I support the Board 100% over this, but will still watch the fight. Personally, I hate hypocrites.

Best line I've heard in a while