BBBofC

[rhino222]

welcome to the EU everyone, ive said it from the beginning, europes rules are now our rules too, like it or lump it. we cant suddenly decide we have our own rules and agenda.

[stujones]

One of the many questions I have surrounding this fight is why Luxemburg of all places. Why not go to a board within the EU with greater experience of sanctioning fights (yes, we've heard the stuff about the Luxemburg Fed being older than the BBBoC - but when was the last time they were active again?).

Surely there is a slight conflict of interests that the chief of the Luxmeberg Fed is also the Chairman of the Boxing Promotors Association and has been speaking against the BBBoC for at least over 10 years.

I'd also like to know how often are the elections for the PBPA? Baker has been chairman for many many years now.

[cockneygymrat]

Stujones in answer to your question why the Luxembourg federation, Frank W arren dealt with that very point during the initial press conference.

With regards to conflicts of interest what personality in boxing has never come across that in his time in boxing?

[stujones]

Stujones in answer to your question why the Luxembourg federation, Frank W arren dealt with that very point during the initial press conference.

With regards to conflicts of interest what personality in boxing has never come across that in his time in boxing?

Yeah, I did want the proper answer though not the press conference answer. Luxemburg isn't exactly a hot bed of boxing with such experience in delivering the shows. It wouldn't be the first country I would think of within the EU with a proven track record in delivery and safety.

As for your second point - two wrongs do not make a right? Warren's constant approach in his response to the questions has been to compare the activities of other promoters etc and say Barry Hearn did this (including his darts/snooker activities - what has that go to do with boxing) 20 years ago, Frank Maloney has got enough to worry about cause of Darren Sutherland etc.

So the answer would be - "yeah sure there is a conflict of interest with Bruce Baker's dual's role and his continual interest for making sweeping changes in the BBBoC - however other figures in boxing have conflict of interests also, but they get away with it".

Anyone know how long Bruce Baker's term of office is for the BPBA? I'm sure he is doing a grand job - I saw some articles dated 2000 in which he was already the chairman - thats quite a long time already.

[stujones]

According to Computerrank on the current scene - not even the country of Luxemburg approve of this fight! They've stop funding the Luxemberg Boxing Fed.

[big lennox]

Ahhhh, Big Lennox you are now bringing in the moral issues and trying to state the case for the BBBofC. You may have a point using that angle although going down that route is always a tentative way, weak and I have to say because of the legal ramifications always flawed.

Boxing is a cut throat business as is much of the world with all the cut backs. The moral argument especially in todays modern world is I am afraid always going to lose, as sometimes survival in these harsh times doesnt do nice. Using another catchphrase: survival of the fittest and lets face it boxing has always been like that, Frank W arren has always come out on top on that score.

When you strip out all of the propaganda then strip out all the emotional clap trap it comes down to the BBBofC screwing up and not having the balls to ban Dereck Chisora with a definitive time. As already stated before if that had happened Frank W arren would not have gone down the route of making Chisora v Haye. But the BBBofC called his bluff by stating Chisora was free to apply for a licence elsewhere thinking he would not go down that route. Haye was already free to explore this route as he voluntarily handed back his licence last year due to his retirement. That is why other governing body options has come into Frank W arrens reckoning and you have to say legitimately so. Lets not forget here there was more than one european body which was willing to licence this fight which would have caused an even bigger stir as they had to be bigger than Luxembourg.

If you disagree with Haye/Chisora, fine.

Now to the solution. There is only one escape route option in my view and its going to take balls. The BBBofC are going to have to hold their hands up and say they got it wrong and they will with a great amount of reluctance sanction the fight but have an agreement with Frank W arren this sort of thing will not happen again in this country. If you are about to say I am naive if I think this is going to happen, I will come back to you by saying if it doesn't boxing will be split for good and from the specualtion going around there will be an avalanche of people wanting to join a new governing body in Britain.

Thanks for the detailed response, I appreciate it. There is always two sides to the story, which I do forget sometimes.

[cockneygymrat]

Stujones,

You and other doubters should not keep deflecting the real issue although I do not blame you for looking into the whole matter in depth.

I will keep on about what for me is the most relevant point and that is the BBBofC are the ones who screwed up in the first place by not banning Chisora for a certain period of time. By not doing so allowing him to seek his licence elsewhere which is all within the confines of the law. By not banning Chisora or not fining Chisora, at this stage he has not been found guilty of anything and so why cant he ask for a boxing licence wherever he wants to. I will say it again the BBBofC screwed up big time.

Whats sinking them further into the depths of legal lawsuits is they have clearly stated anyone involved in this promotion no matter how minor and major the role is will be banned from holding a licence, so they are not even allowing a licence holder a fair and proper disciplinary hearing. Is that fair in this democratic country of ours who pronounce to uphold their laws and those of the EU??

I would suggest to you Frank W arren is not the only one who will sue the backside off the BBBofC

[cockneygymrat]

According to Computerrank on the current scene - not even the country of Luxemburg approve of this fight! They've stop funding the Luxemberg Boxing Fed.

Their €3,000 will be missed.

[stujones]

You do make a lot of sense, do I think the fight will take place..... yes I do. Do I think what Warren is doing is ethically and morally incorrect - yes I do.... Do I think though they are in favour from a legal point of view... yes I do.

However, I don't think the BBBoC are in contempt, or crossing a legal line, with their stratement. All they said is that they will bar anyone who works on this promotion from using a BBBoC Licence. They can do what they like about their licence. They have said NOTHING about such workers continuing to use the Luxemberg licence in the UK.

The situation is no different from boxers who fight for Ross Minter's promotions. They can try, but they will not get a BBBoC licence again..... but it doesn't stop them from going to Luxemberg and getting a proffesional licence with them and fighting in the UK. Its just they will never fight for the British title.

Choice seems simple... don't go ahead with the show and keep having British title fights etc, or go ahead with the show - continue to promote in the UK (via Luxemberg), but bye bye British title fights.

We live in the EU, under EU rules - but also under the regs of our country. I can live and work in Luxemberg under my own free will with no questions asks - but I couldn't go and vote in their elections.

[stujones]

According to Computerrank on the current scene - not even the country of Luxemburg approve of this fight! They've stop funding the Luxemberg Boxing Fed.

Their €3,000 will be missed.

I appreciate it is not what Mr Warren thinks - but as Jessie J once said. "Its not about the money, money, money".

The country whose boxing fed is so supportive of this fight doesn't approve. Surely you can see that this is a big deal in terms of ethics, more so than cash.

If David Cameron said "the BBBoC are out of order not sanctioning this bout".... I would be shocked if there wasn't huge call for a BBBoC U-turn, which the BBBoC would, through gritted teeth, agree with.

[cockneygymrat]

Stujones,

I have taken on board your points. There are members on this very forum which would do a better job than some people on the BBBofC.

Perhaps if the BBBofC were forward thinking, had an ability to change with the times and a thorough knowledge of the sport (yes I have just wrote that) then I would agree everyone would go in favour of the board, but sadly they are lacking in a lot of departments.

Some of the crys for banning for life have come from older members of the board who are unfortunately stuck in a rut, where crass stupidity has merely magnified how out dated and out of touch the board are not only with the sport, the law and to a point public opinion. I write public opinion because I am convinced the board have adopted their stance because they felt they had the overwhelming support of the public which is clearly not the case. The various polls on here and other media outlets show an overwhelming support for Haye/Chisora at best and at worse the opinion is split 50/50.

So if I am correct a less draconian, life changing and dam right harsh stance may have been a little more prudent.

[stujones]

Well agree to disagree on this, perhaps I am not seeing further than my nose here - but I aint sure what a few polls set up by sports fans and contributed by sport fans have to do with the fight.

I am sure if we put a poll on footrec and asked in the Premier League was expanded to 30 clubs and lasting 12 months of the year - many would go for it - doesn't mean it really should take place.

Similarly, there was over whelming support by boxing fans for Mike Tyson to fight in the UK - doesn't mean to say the nay sayers didn't have a very valid point.

The BBBoC have placed the ball in allegedly ' s court now. Given him the options of what to do.... maybe already a sign of an improvement to how they treated Kells about the biggers' better - I am sure if they would have informed him before he set foot in Cyprus, he might have thought twice about fighting on the bill.

Essentially the statement highlights that there is eff all they can do about the bill going ahead, and there is eff all that can be done about future Luxemburg shows in the UK (as Bruce states in his video - "the Luxemburg Fed is here to stay"), but I think it is only right that promoters shouldn't be given two licences, and those who wish to stay affiliated with the Luxemberg fed - stand by their flag.

The BBBoC have the right to remove the British licences from any licence holder. Especially when they have given a written, public, warning of what consitutes the removal of the licence in this case.

Harsh - maybe, could result in a civil war in the UK boxing - yes.... However, it was the thought of short term gain that started it off. Yes, I know what you will say "NO it was the BBBoC who started this by not dealing with Chisora effectively"..... maybe, but it was also the short term gain mentality that wanted this fight before any Chisora appeal.... plus, Haye wasn't even licenced. Why didn't Haye approach the BBBoC before Luxemberg!

[Coco]

Well said Stu, I couldn't agree more.