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jonny wrote:

Ben Carey wrote:If Luxembourg do a U-TURN, who is going to officiate? Presumably this would rule out Micky Vann & co?

I'd have thought Mickey Vann would still do it, I presume he would have taken a Luxembourg license just for this fight so will do anything necessary or if he still works for Boxing Union of Ireland who are members of the EBU will they stop him being involved.

Cheers Jonny. So, if your theory is correct that the Boxing Union of Ireland would put the brakes on Vann who do you think might step forward to officiate the fight? Someone else from Europe or further a field - USA, South America etc?

dondada wrote:

Ben Carey wrote:If Luxembourg do a U-TURN, who is going to officiate? Presumably this would rule out Micky Vann & co?

Even if no one sanctions it and it goes ahead, Vann will do it. Especially as someone is filming it.

he seemed pretty keen on ringside

I was chatting to a Luxembourg licenceholder the other day and he was saying that if Luxembourg cave in to external pressure that another country like Lithunania could just as easily step in an sanction it. Who knows, this has span out of control....

kingfinn wrote:

MachoMan09 wrote:Once and for all for those questioning the legality of the match should it go unsanctioned: It would not be illegal. Consider all the sparring that takes place in boxing and martial arts clubs up and down the land, legal or illegal? Legal, obviously. The only differences between Haye vs Chisora at Upton Park rather than in some gym somewhere are the spectators, cameras, quantities of money involved, and hype.

But unlicensed boxing in its previous form before the EBF was illegal wasnt it?

Unlicensed boxing is completely legal

and to my knowledge always has been

the fact the bbboc are self appointed

and have no government ties

are what prevents it from being considered illegal i think

Ben Carey wrote:

jonny wrote:

Ben Carey wrote:If Luxembourg do a U-TURN, who is going to officiate? Presumably this would rule out Micky Vann & co?

I'd have thought Mickey Vann would still do it, I presume he would have taken a Luxembourg license just for this fight so will do anything necessary or if he still works for Boxing Union of Ireland who are members of the EBU will they stop him being involved.

Cheers Jonny. So, if your theory is correct that the Boxing Union of Ireland would put the brakes on Vann who do you think might step forward to officiate the fight? Someone else from Europe or further a field - USA, South America etc?

Its a strange one because I would have thought the officials would now be appointed by the WBA/WBO but if it does go ahead "unlicensed" will they now be involved, I wouldnt have thought so.

Vann is a very good official, he should still be reffing British title fights under the Board's control.

Considering the dross such as Mark Green and IJL are regularly getting the gigs, it's embarrassing that a perfectly good referee has to sit out because of his age.

gasman wrote:I was chatting to a Luxembourg licenceholder the other day and he was saying that if Luxembourg cave in to external pressure that another country like Lithunania could just as easily step in an sanction it. Who knows, this has span out of control....

Is that the respected Lithuanian commission with, according to some, as much credibility as the British Boxing Board of Control?

No way will the WBA still being involved. Got to question Sauerland involvement too. And if the Povetkin-Rahman fight is off, out goes German TV which, presumably, is underwriting much of the production costs.

gobbles wrote:

gasman wrote:I was chatting to a Luxembourg licenceholder the other day and he was saying that if Luxembourg cave in to external pressure that another country like Lithunania could just as easily step in an sanction it. Who knows, this has span out of control....

Is that the respected Lithuanian commission with, according to some, as much credibility as the British Boxing Board of Control?

No way will the WBA still being involved. Got to question Sauerland involvement too. And if the Povetkin-Rahman fight is off, out goes German TV which, presumably, is underwriting much of the production costs.

I know about as much about the Lithuanian commission as I did about the LBF and that is zero. I am looking forward to hearing what unfolds at tomorrow's presser. I think at all costs this fight will be pushed ahead, as allegedly isnt the type to back down. As for the co-support and under card, that is hard to predict at this stage.....

gobbles wrote:

gasman wrote:I was chatting to a Luxembourg licenceholder the other day and he was saying that if Luxembourg cave in to external pressure that another country like Lithunania could just as easily step in an sanction it. Who knows, this has span out of control....

Is that the respected Lithuanian commission with, according to some, as much credibility as the British Boxing Board of Control?

No way will the WBA still being involved. Got to question Sauerland involvement too. And if the Povetkin-Rahman fight is off, out goes German TV which, presumably, is underwriting much of the production costs.

Why could they not push the fight back to Septmeber and have both licened by the board?

The undercard cannot have a British title fight on it for example

gasman wrote:I was chatting to a Luxembourg licenceholder the other day and he was saying that if Luxembourg cave in to external pressure that another country like Lithunania could just as easily step in an sanction it. Who knows, this has span out of control....

Why don't they just bring in a teak-tough African (board)? Never been stopped (from sanctioning a show)?

dondada wrote:

gasman wrote:I was chatting to a Luxembourg licenceholder the other day and he was saying that if Luxembourg cave in to external pressure that another country like Lithunania could just as easily step in an sanction it. Who knows, this has span out of control....

Why don't they just bring in a teak-tough African (board)? Never been stopped (from sanctioning a show)?

At this stage we will have to settle for 'TBA'.

If the Luxembourg board choose to pull out, another board will sanction it who doesn't fall under the EBU and because of the laws they will still be able to hold the fight at Upton Park.

This fight is in absolutely no danger of not happening.

jameswilson wrote:If the Luxembourg board choose to pull out, another board will sanction it who doesn't fall under the EBU and because of the laws they will still be able to hold the fight at Upton Park.

This fight is in absolutely no danger of not happening.

Agreed, James.

dondada wrote:

jameswilson wrote:If the Luxembourg board choose to pull out, another board will sanction it who doesn't fall under the EBU and because of the laws they will still be able to hold the fight at Upton Park.

This fight is in absolutely no danger of not happening.

Agreed, James.

But if the board not in European Union I sure that has other implications. Unless Warren starts another British board.

jameswilson wrote:If the Luxembourg board choose to pull out, another board will sanction it who doesn't fall under the EBU and because of the laws they will still be able to hold the fight at Upton Park.

This fight is in absolutely no danger of not happening.

What other board then? Such as who? I'm not so sure.

If there's an EU state with a boxing commission that isn't affiliated to the EBU, they'll get the call.

dondada wrote:

jameswilson wrote:If the Luxembourg board choose to pull out, another board will sanction it who doesn't fall under the EBU and because of the laws they will still be able to hold the fight at Upton Park.

This fight is in absolutely no danger of not happening.

Agreed, James.

I'll disagree, I cannot see another governing body going against the EBU....... also, if - as an example the Australian governing body steps in - what does this mean about the original EU work laws which was the premise of why the BBBoC couldn't touch Luxemberg.

We all know how high the BBBoC is with the Commonwealth council - I cannot see a Commonwealth nation wanting to be involved.

So if its not a EBU nation, and not a Commonwealth nation - then who?

LeedsLad wrote:If there's an EU state with a boxing commission that isn't affiliated to the EBU, they'll get the call.

Who? Surely there cannot be one.

Warren's whole arguement that the reason why he chose Luxemberg was cause its affiliation with the EBU is completely worthless.

I know there is 30,000 thousands reasons for this fight still going ahead, but I really don't think it is worth the agro long term.

LeedsLad wrote:If there's an EU state with a boxing commission that isn't affiliated to the EBU, they'll get the call.

I don't know a) who springs to mind and b) why another boxing commission would be so quick to step in? I don't think this magical knight in shining armour is as ready and willing as some suspect. But as the old saying goes, 'where there's a will, there's a way'. And given the money involved in all of this there's definitely a will.

stujones wrote:

dondada wrote:

jameswilson wrote:If the Luxembourg board choose to pull out, another board will sanction it who doesn't fall under the EBU and because of the laws they will still be able to hold the fight at Upton Park.

This fight is in absolutely no danger of not happening.

Agreed, James.

I'll disagree, I cannot see another governing body going against the EBU....... also, if - as an example the Australian governing body steps in - what does this mean about the original EU work laws which was the premise of why the BBBoC couldn't touch Luxemberg.

We all know how high the BBBoC is with the Commonwealth council - I cannot see a Commonwealth nation wanting to be involved.

So if its not a EBU nation, and not a Commonwealth nation - then who?

Someone asked before if the fight could licensed by the EBF. does anyone know the answer to this? it sounds plausible.

stujones wrote:

dondada wrote:

jameswilson wrote:If the Luxembourg board choose to pull out, another board will sanction it who doesn't fall under the EBU and because of the laws they will still be able to hold the fight at Upton Park.

This fight is in absolutely no danger of not happening.

Agreed, James.

I'll disagree, I cannot see another governing body going against the EBU....... also, if - as an example the Australian governing body steps in - what does this mean about the original EU work laws which was the premise of why the BBBoC couldn't touch Luxemberg.

We all know how high the BBBoC is with the Commonwealth council - I cannot see a Commonwealth nation wanting to be involved.

So if its not a EBU nation, and not a Commonwealth nation - then who?

'At the end of the day'...why does a governing body have to be involved at all? (For Haye v Chisora, that is.)

dondada wrote:

stujones wrote:

dondada wrote: Agreed, James.

I'll disagree, I cannot see another governing body going against the EBU....... also, if - as an example the Australian governing body steps in - what does this mean about the original EU work laws which was the premise of why the BBBoC couldn't touch Luxemberg.

We all know how high the BBBoC is with the Commonwealth council - I cannot see a Commonwealth nation wanting to be involved.

So if its not a EBU nation, and not a Commonwealth nation - then who?

'At the end of the day'...why does a governing body have to be involved at all? (For Haye v Chisora, that is.)

No there doesn't have to be a governing body at all - but its surely going to be difficult with a month to go to get everything sorted - How long did it take for the EBF to go from a dream to reality.

Plus, Haye and Chisora can kick to touch any "proper" (I mean sanctioned) world title fight if it goes ahead via an EBF style promotion.

Yes, it could happen - is it worth it though?

stujones wrote:

dondada wrote:

stujones wrote: I'll disagree, I cannot see another governing body going against the EBU....... also, if - as an example the Australian governing body steps in - what does this mean about the original EU work laws which was the premise of why the BBBoC couldn't touch Luxemberg.

We all know how high the BBBoC is with the Commonwealth council - I cannot see a Commonwealth nation wanting to be involved.

So if its not a EBU nation, and not a Commonwealth nation - then who?

'At the end of the day'...why does a governing body have to be involved at all? (For Haye v Chisora, that is.)

No there doesn't have to be a governing body at all - but its surely going to be difficult with a month to go to get everything sorted - How long did it take for the EBF to go from a dream to reality.

Plus, Haye and Chisora can kick to touch any "proper" (I mean sanctioned) world title fight if it goes ahead via an EBF style promotion.

Yes, it could happen - is it worth it though?

I agree it would be a massive gamble and could put a stop to any future credible fights for FW and haye. Chisora is alsready up shit creek so it doesnt matter that much to him, he's not going to be able to fight anyway.

The fight probably can go ahead but what will the repercussions be.

kingfinn wrote:

stujones wrote:

dondada wrote: 'At the end of the day'...why does a governing body have to be involved at all? (For Haye v Chisora, that is.)

No there doesn't have to be a governing body at all - but its surely going to be difficult with a month to go to get everything sorted - How long did it take for the EBF to go from a dream to reality.

Plus, Haye and Chisora can kick to touch any "proper" (I mean sanctioned) world title fight if it goes ahead via an EBF style promotion.

Yes, it could happen - is it worth it though?

I agree it would be a massive gamble and could put a stop to any future credible fights for FW and haye. Chisora is alsready up shit creek so it doesnt matter that much to him, he's not going to be able to fight anyway.

The fights only happening cause someone in the shit.

jameswilson wrote:If the Luxembourg board choose to pull out, another board will sanction it who doesn't fall under the EBU and because of the laws they will still be able to hold the fight at Upton Park.

This fight is in absolutely no danger of not happening.

For the first time now, I think the fight is more likely not to happen. If Luxembourg pulls out, it kills all legitimacy. All this talk of Mickey Vann, but they need more than a ref and 3 judges to run a big show. Where are all the officials coming from? If the WBA back out of the show and Povetkin-Rahman is off, who pays for the TV production costs, which at an big outdoor show are massive.

It would not surprise me if Haye signs to fight Vitali in September and leaves all the mess in Frank's lap.