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Boxingcutsman wrote:

billy nelson wrote:

Boxingcutsman wrote:Yh it's gonna be a small hall classic we feel, both lads are well up for it, both got great credentials and titles has amateurs, both can box, and punch. It's a shame it's not a top of the bill on sky to be fair, I think it deserves a lot more publicity than it's getting as well, gonna be a great fight, there styles should gel brilliantly. Really looking forward to a good fair 50/50 fight for once for the paying public

Stephen acheived 5 mutli nation golds,4 Silver and a Bronze in the Commonwealth games hes by far the better boxer between the two and punches every bit has hard and we'll see if Chris can do 10 hard rounds one after another,yes it will be a good fight between the two.
You said you have more plans to beat Stephen than the local council,we have one turn up and do a number on your man

I dont recall saying we've got more plans than the local council to beat your man Billy also Billy I don't recall saying or hinting that Chris was a better Amatuer than Simmons I stated that this was going to be a good fair 50/50 fight between two good honest lads with great Amatuer pedigree's a decent fight for the paying public. If Simmons does a number on Chris then fair play to him Billy, I personally can't see Simmons wanting to keep plodding forward hands high when he's getting hit so hard but I may very well be wrong, it's only business, nothing personal. Me personally I wish them both the very best of luck and the best man on the night win

Im just stating whatever Chris done in the amatuers Stephen done so much more,read your previous posts regarding your A,B&C plan,you claimed Chris wont need to come out of Plan A, with the fullest of repect if you think Stephen is just strong and comes in with a high guard your mans in serious trouble lol.
I know Stephen will take Chris's shots hes sparred far better punchers than chris but can Chris take Simmo's punches and strength we both know your man's weaknesses don't we?

I don't see this as a 50/50 i see this as a easy fight for Simmons seen Keane 4 or 5 times live and he always comes across as lazy and lethargic with no real power hes got a good jab but he's over reliant on it, Simmon will overwhelm with his power and make Keane fight at a pace he cant cope with

Wrists wrote:

Boxingcutsman wrote:

billy nelson wrote:Yeh no props ha ha

is this the same Jon-Lewis Dickinson who couldn't get out of the way of the predictable, messaged over hand rights from Tyrone Wright in Sunderland ? Eye closed by the the end of the 2nd round, beat up and pulled out the fight ? Dickinson is a good fighter and one of the best in the division, but he wouldn't win ( in your words ) Handily.

Different fighter to be honest mate.

Since then he's beaten a solid top 10er in David Dolan, Chris Burton (1 defeat in 16 at heavy) and Matty Askin. Thats good form which no-one can argue with. Yes he was caught by right hands in the Wright fight, however he was dominating the fight and anyone can get stopped on injury.

I'm not saying he's perfect not by a long chalk but until someone proves otherwise he is the best Cruiserweight in the country by a distance and I dont think if we look at results that anyone can argue with that.

True mate, can't argue to much with that, like I say he definitely is 1 of the top in the division

billy nelson wrote:

Boxingcutsman wrote:

billy nelson wrote:Stephen acheived 5 mutli nation golds,4 Silver and a Bronze in the Commonwealth games hes by far the better boxer between the two and punches every bit has hard and we'll see if Chris can do 10 hard rounds one after another,yes it will be a good fight between the two.
You said you have more plans to beat Stephen than the local council,we have one turn up and do a number on your man

I dont recall saying we've got more plans than the local council to beat your man Billy also Billy I don't recall saying or hinting that Chris was a better Amatuer than Simmons I stated that this was going to be a good fair 50/50 fight between two good honest lads with great Amatuer pedigree's a decent fight for the paying public. If Simmons does a number on Chris then fair play to him Billy, I personally can't see Simmons wanting to keep plodding forward hands high when he's getting hit so hard but I may very well be wrong, it's only business, nothing personal. Me personally I wish them both the very best of luck and the best man on the night win

Im just stating whatever Chris done in the amatuers Stephen done so much more,read your previous posts regarding your A,B&C plan,you claimed Chris wont need to come out of Plan A, with the fullest of repect if you think Stephen is just strong and comes in with a high guard your mans in serious trouble lol.
I know Stephen will take Chris's shots hes sparred far better punchers than chris but can Chris take Simmo's punches and strength we both know your man's weaknesses don't we?

I like you Billy, I like your banter mate, I look forward to enjoying a drink with you after the fight for one of us to tell the other one how right we was I'm just looking forward to a good fight mate. See you there pal

diggler wrote:I don't see this as a 50/50 i see this as a easy fight for Simmons seen Keane 4 or 5 times live and he always comes across as lazy and lethargic with no real power hes got a good jab but he's over reliant on it, Simmon will overwhelm with his power and make Keane fight at a pace he cant cope with

I take it you've travelled to Belfast twice, York hall, Wolverhampton, Walsall & Bolton to watch Chris fight live has you stated, didn't know you was such a fan mate we appreciate the support

Boxingcutsman wrote:

Wrists wrote:

Boxingcutsman wrote: :doh: is this the same Jon-Lewis Dickinson who couldn't get out of the way of the predictable, messaged over hand rights from Tyrone Wright in Sunderland ? Eye closed by the the end of the 2nd round, beat up and pulled out the fight ? Dickinson is a good fighter and one of the best in the division, but he wouldn't win ( in your words ) Handily. :shame:

Different fighter to be honest mate.

Since then he's beaten a solid top 10er in David Dolan, Chris Burton (1 defeat in 16 at heavy) and Matty Askin. Thats good form which no-one can argue with. Yes he was caught by right hands in the Wright fight, however he was dominating the fight and anyone can get stopped on injury.

I'm not saying he's perfect not by a long chalk but until someone proves otherwise he is the best Cruiserweight in the country by a distance and I dont think if we look at results that anyone can argue with that.

True mate, can't argue to much with that, like I say he definitely is 1 of the top in the division

Nice to see such a brilliant respect for others opinions from somebody involved with a fighter buddy.... good stuff.

Boxingcutsman wrote:

diggler wrote:I don't see this as a 50/50 i see this as a easy fight for Simmons seen Keane 4 or 5 times live and he always comes across as lazy and lethargic with no real power hes got a good jab but he's over reliant on it, Simmon will overwhelm with his power and make Keane fight at a pace he cant cope with

I take it you've travelled to Belfast twice, York hall, Wolverhampton, Walsall & Bolton to watch Chris fight live has you stated, didn't know you was such a fan mate we appreciate the support

I go alot of shows

diggler wrote:

Boxingcutsman wrote:

diggler wrote:I don't see this as a 50/50 i see this as a easy fight for Simmons seen Keane 4 or 5 times live and he always comes across as lazy and lethargic with no real power hes got a good jab but he's over reliant on it, Simmon will overwhelm with his power and make Keane fight at a pace he cant cope with

I take it you've travelled to Belfast twice, York hall, Wolverhampton, Walsall & Bolton to watch Chris fight live has you stated, didn't know you was such a fan mate we appreciate the support

I go alot of shows

fair play, don't miss the 22nd then

Boxingcutsman wrote:

diggler wrote:

Boxingcutsman wrote:
I take it you've travelled to Belfast twice, York hall, Wolverhampton, Walsall & Bolton to watch Chris fight live has you stated, didn't know you was such a fan mate we appreciate the support

I go alot of shows

fair play, don't miss the 22nd then

i shall be sunning myself somewhere hot

Boxingcutsman wrote:

billy nelson wrote:

Boxingcutsman wrote:
I dont recall saying we've got more plans than the local council to beat your man Billy also Billy I don't recall saying or hinting that Chris was a better Amatuer than Simmons I stated that this was going to be a good fair 50/50 fight between two good honest lads with great Amatuer pedigree's a decent fight for the paying public. If Simmons does a number on Chris then fair play to him Billy, I personally can't see Simmons wanting to keep plodding forward hands high when he's getting hit so hard but I may very well be wrong, it's only business, nothing personal. Me personally I wish them both the very best of luck and the best man on the night win

Im just stating whatever Chris done in the amatuers Stephen done so much more,read your previous posts regarding your A,B&C plan,you claimed Chris wont need to come out of Plan A, with the fullest of repect if you think Stephen is just strong and comes in with a high guard your mans in serious trouble lol.
I know Stephen will take Chris's shots hes sparred far better punchers than chris but can Chris take Simmo's punches and strength we both know your man's weaknesses don't we?

I like you Billy, I like your banter mate, I look forward to enjoying a drink with you after the fight for one of us to tell the other one how right we was I'm just looking forward to a good fight mate. See you there pal

All the best to you all mate,see you after for a drink

Good undercard to this one - this fight plus Jason Welborn Vs Scott Haywood Midlands title, Jamie Ball Vs good foreign opponent in 10 rounder etc.

saturday_kid wrote:Good undercard to this one - this fight plus Jason Welborn Vs Scott Haywood Midlands title, Jamie Ball Vs good foreign opponent in 10 rounder etc.

yeah looks a gud undercard im going not sure bout ball opponent only one win against a positive record fighter and he was 1-0. he should win comfortably if he has title ambitions but its a unknown fighter so who knows. cant wait always gud nights up wolvo

Think the fight is at the Kelvin Hall now 29th June if Chris and his team want it?

Wow, that's a surprise. after watching the home ref that stopped Nick Okoth our confidence is sky high about a fair fight in Glasgow Chris will fight in Simmons Living room it makes no odds to him but from our point of view as his team we would take the fight any where else in the country but Glasgow where we know people think you Billy walk on water I hope some compromise can be reached as it will be a great fight between 2 great, hard working honest kids.

Boxingcutsman wrote:Wow, that's a surprise. after watching the home ref that stopped Nick Okoth our confidence is sky high about a fair fight in Glasgow Chris will fight in Simmons Living room it makes no odds to him but from our point of view as his team we would take the fight any where else in the country but Glasgow where we know people think you Billy walk on water I hope some compromise can be reached as it will be a great fight between 2 great, hard working honest kids.

I think most refs can count up to 10 when Chris gets stopped. If chris fights Stephen in his living room have an english ref id have no problem whatsoever with that,come on we were coming to your party now come to ours? Both boys have been training hard for this one be a shame not to go through with it,or maybe you just dont want it?

billy nelson wrote:

Boxingcutsman wrote:Wow, that's a surprise. after watching the home ref that stopped Nick Okoth our confidence is sky high about a fair fight in Glasgow Chris will fight in Simmons Living room it makes no odds to him but from our point of view as his team we would take the fight any where else in the country but Glasgow where we know people think you Billy walk on water I hope some compromise can be reached as it will be a great fight between 2 great, hard working honest kids.

I think most refs can count up to 10 when Chris gets stopped. If chris fights Stephen in his living room have an english ref id have no problem whatsoever with that,come on we were coming to your party now come to ours? Both boys have been training hard for this one be a shame not to go through with it,or maybe you just dont want it?

Of course we want it Billy, yes both lads have trained very hard so it would be a shame, but one question Billy, WHY GLASGOW ?

Casio wrote:Pardon my ignorance but why has it been moved anyway??

Exactly mate, that's our question as well. We've had no reason behind it which makes it very suspicious, we're not willing to risk our kids career and all his hard work and heart and dedication to be robbed

I was thinking, if this is on in the Kelvin Hall on the 29th, that would be on the undercard of Simpson v Appleby for the Celtic title? If so that means there would have to be at least 2 English refs coming up anyway to be a ref/judge as Scotland only have 2. So it could well be a english ref that takes it anyway

xrgcx wrote:I was thinking, if this is on in the Kelvin Hall on the 29th, that would be on the undercard of Simpson v Appleby for the Celtic title? If so that means there would have to be at least 2 English refs coming up anyway to be a ref/judge as Scotland only have 2. So it could well be a english ref that takes it anyway

Yh possible mate but if ours is not a official eliminator then there will be no need for judges therefore we will get a Scottish ref I guarantee it and were not willing to run the risk, and if your wondering why, just type Stephen Simmons Vs Nick Okoth into you tube and have a watch and get back to me if you think we're being to precautious this is a kid who represented his country countless times, on his home show with his trainer who people think walks on water up in Scotland, he's like the new messiah to them, which is not his fault, he deserves a lot of credit for his great work, but we just won't get a fair crack of the whip, Billy & Stephen Simmons are good blokes, honest decent professionals but it's the politics that rear there ugly head time and time again in our great sport. Let the lads have a level playing field rather than 1 always trying to have a upper hand that's all we're asking.

These are young dedicated kids who work hard and sacrifice a lot, this is there life's and careers were talking about, we are not gonna risk being robbed by someone who may think at a later date, oh I got that wrong, yh at a cost of a young lads career, it happens to often and we will not be willing to run the risk unless certain things are discussed and concreted out before hand. We are relishing the fight but on a level field and we'll be happy for it to be any where else.

Was a tad early but without taking Billys side, that same Ref gave One of Billys Boys a draw against Lee Noble last time out when it appeared to all reporters that the home boy won. Victor Louchlin could ref it. Surely he has to be honest?

xrgcx wrote:Was a tad early but without taking Billys side, that same Ref gave One of Billys Boys a draw against Lee Noble last time out when it appeared to all reporters that the home boy won. Victor Louchlin could ref it. Surely he has to be honest?

Yh I like victor, he's usually a good ref, along with John Keane in my opinion there 2 of the fairest refs who very rarely make mistakes, Steve grey ain't to bad either. There things that can be discussed and sorted, we're not willing to just turn up and get stitched up though mate, but I honestly hope something can be sorted I think it will be a cracker of a fight.

Boxingcutsman wrote:These are young dedicated kids who work hard and sacrifice a lot, this is there life's and careers were talking about, we are not gonna risk being robbed by someone who may think at a later date, oh I got that wrong, yh at a cost of a young lads career, it happens to often and we will not be willing to run the risk unless certain things are discussed and concreted out before hand. We are relishing the fight but on a level field and we'll be happy for it to be any where else.

is the other show still going a head if not why not ....Simmons was willing to go to your place for combat
no matter who the ref was but saying that i get were your coming from ...something is dodgy here maybe billy's pulled a few strings to have it up here

SMASHING wrote:

Boxingcutsman wrote:These are young dedicated kids who work hard and sacrifice a lot, this is there life's and careers were talking about, we are not gonna risk being robbed by someone who may think at a later date, oh I got that wrong, yh at a cost of a young lads career, it happens to often and we will not be willing to run the risk unless certain things are discussed and concreted out before hand. We are relishing the fight but on a level field and we'll be happy for it to be any where else.

is the other show still going a head if not why not ....Simmons was willing to go to your place for combat
no matter who the ref was but saying that i get were your coming from ...something is dodgy here maybe billy's pulled a few strings to have it up here

Yh I hear the show is still going ahead on the 22nd mate. Yh he was willing to travel down to England and we would be willing to travel up to Scotland as well, we just want some details finalised and issues sorted because there's no reason for it being moved so obviously were gonna be suspicious.it would be better if we had it anywhere else in the UK or even Ireland then were on a level field, all we ask is we don't get stitched up I don't think that's a unnecessary request

[quote="billy nelson"]Think the fight is at the Kelvin Hall now 29th June if Chris and his team want it?[/quote]



how come its been moved