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Fury BEAT Chisora! I dont see what Del could do to reverse the result either. Fury looked better last time out, too, and seems to be in better shape.

The Dark Destroyer wrote:I'm not saying Price is crap. I can't wait to see the fight and I hope they fight soon, but I can wait for it if they build it up over a year or two. As for Chisora's last two fights, yeah he should have got the decision against Helenius, but VK whipped him, with one arm. Either way, my opinion is that Fury should still be above Chisora because he beat him, there is no clearer divide. We'll see what happens in the future.

Vitali didn't whip Chisora. Chisora gave him a good fight.

The Dark Destroyer wrote:He won almost every round and was injured during the fight. VK beat him handily.

Chisora won about 4 rounds and gave Vitali his toughest fight in years.

The Dark Destroyer wrote:Okay. We've been round this once, we're not going to change our minds.

No, probably not.

I don't think you should be using the Vitali loss to put Chisora down though.

The Dark Destroyer wrote:I'm not putting him down. I'm saying that loss doesn't put him above Fury, I think it's ludicrous to suggest that it does.

I think the loss to Vitali helped his ranking just like his loss to Helenius did. I think Chisora has a good case for being above Fury and it is based on those losses.

The Dark Destroyer wrote:You have him ranked lower than Fury in your own p4p rankings? Are you arguing for the sake of it?

http://boxrec.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=152838

I said he has a good case for being above Fury and he does.

Before Fury beat Rogan I had Chisora above Fury.

The Dark Destroyer wrote:Fair enough. But you agree with me that Fury should be ranked higher than Chisora?

I think that is up to the individual doing the rankings.

I think it is close between them and either being above the other is reasonable. They should both definitely be above Price though.

Horse wrote:

The Dark Destroyer wrote:I'm not putting him down. I'm saying that loss doesn't put him above Fury, I think it's ludicrous to suggest that it does.

I think the loss to Vitali helped his ranking just like his loss to Helenius did. I think Chisora has a good case for being above Fury and it is based on those losses.

That's kind of my point, two losses (but good performances) is sometimes better for your ranking then beating up no body's, it's always going to be hard putting someone higher then someone who beat you but that's boxing, not every loss is avenged and it can't hold you back on the rankings, if fury beat chisora again I will hold my hands up and say I never should of put him above fury and that's that, but since the fight I still believe chisora has improved the most, mixed it at a much higher level and fury has done nothing apart from get in shape get a tan and call out the winner of haye chisora.

jessi wrote:That's kind of my point, two losses (but good performances) is sometimes better for your ranking then beating up no body's, it's always going to be hard putting someone higher then someone who beat you but that's boxing, not every loss is avenged and it can't hold you back on the rankings, if fury beat chisora again I will hold my hands up and say I never should of put him above fury and that's that, but since the fight I still believe chisora has improved the most, mixed it at a much higher level and fury has done nothing apart from get in shape get a tan and call out the winner of haye chisora.

Fury has beaten Firtha, Pajkic and Rogan since his win against Chisora. They may not be the best wins in the world, but they are decent.

The Dark Destroyer wrote:He's definitely right about the shape he looks to be in, not before time either.

still has love handles, he just can't shake the belly off:shame:

Unless Haye has detiorated rapidly since the Wlad fight then no way is Haye/Fury a 50:50 fight. Haye would smash him to pieces in 3 rounds.

If the bookies offer anywhere near evens if this fight takes place they would be bowled over.

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palooka wrote:

jessi wrote:Exittored you argued a very good case for fury, and I agree he has knuckled down and has always showed heart guts and desire, but it won't change my mind, price fought for years as a top level amateur around the world and has right hand power I've never seen before, when they finally meet my money will be on price to stop him. Just hope it's soon

Hey Jessi; I agree with most of your post but I really don't mind if Price and Fury box in a year or 2; both have shown good development and skills. I have to disagree with you on Prices' right hand power; he is a very good hitter with great leverage and timing but I have seen quite a few with similar and even more power.

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Is this a trick question Jessi? I'm not the sharpest tool in the box; have you never seen a heavyweight boxer with the same power as Price? Or do you mean domestic heavyweight?

Palooka, it's not a trick question, I was talking current heavyweights in the world, haye doesn't hit as hard, fury couldn't hurt my cat and I know the obvious two are k2 but to be honest, if price landed as many clean shots on Hayes chin as wladimir did it would of been good night, so yes please tell me who you think has more right hand power then David price ?

I wouldn't be surprised if Haye quickly stopped Butler, McDermott, and Sexton if he landed the punches Price did.

It's common for fighters to look devestating at one level, but less so at a higher one; David Lemieux is a recent example.

crusader wrote:I wouldn't be surprised if Haye quickly stopped Butler, McDermott, and Sexton if he landed the punches Price did.

It's common for fighters to look devestating at one level, but less so at a higher one; David Lemieux is a recent example.

I do understand your point and from memory he didn't stop to many as an amateur, but mcdermot and sexton have taken big shots in the past and haven't moved, there's something about his right hand since the Dallas fight that has really made me take note of this guy, I know this sounds like a 13 year old talking but if all the heavyweights had to hit the punch machine I would put my money on David price winning the title !

jessi wrote:Palooka, it's not a trick question, I was talking current heavyweights in the world, haye doesn't hit as hard, fury couldn't hurt my cat and I know the obvious two are k2 but to be honest, if price landed as many clean shots on Hayes chin as wladimir did it would of been good night, so yes please tell me who you think has more right hand power then David price ?

I'd read or understood you wrong Jessi; I thought you'd meant that you'd seen power you'd never seen before.

Price is certainly very good and has good power; got to rememberthe levels he's boxing at though; I realise he boxed at world standard as an amateur with success; on occasion though he'd get caught himself and as the standard of opposition went up he certainly didn't stop them all. Time will tell if he's an out and out destroyer or not.

jessi wrote:Palooka, it's not a trick question, I was talking current heavyweights in the world, haye doesn't hit as hard, fury couldn't hurt my cat and I know the obvious two are k2 but to be honest, if price landed as many clean shots on Hayes chin as wladimir did it would of been good night, so yes please tell me who you think has more right hand power then David price ?

Fury stopped Peret in 2 rounds, Price went the distance with him. Fury is a solid puncher.

palooka wrote:

jessi wrote:Palooka, it's not a trick question, I was talking current heavyweights in the world, haye doesn't hit as hard, fury couldn't hurt my cat and I know the obvious two are k2 but to be honest, if price landed as many clean shots on Hayes chin as wladimir did it would of been good night, so yes please tell me who you think has more right hand power then David price ?

I'd read or understood you wrong Jessi; I thought you'd meant that you'd seen power you'd never seen before.

Price is certainly very good and has good power; got to rememberthe levels he's boxing at though; I realise he boxed at world standard as an amateur with success; on occasion though he'd get caught himself and as the standard of opposition went up he certainly didn't stop them all. Time will tell if he's an out and out destroyer or not.

So you can't name one boxer with more power ? So I'm kind of right

jessi wrote:

palooka wrote:

jessi wrote:Palooka, it's not a trick question, I was talking current heavyweights in the world, haye doesn't hit as hard, fury couldn't hurt my cat and I know the obvious two are k2 but to be honest, if price landed as many clean shots on Hayes chin as wladimir did it would of been good night, so yes please tell me who you think has more right hand power then David price ?

I'd read or understood you wrong Jessi; I thought you'd meant that you'd seen power you'd never seen before.

Price is certainly very good and has good power; got to rememberthe levels he's boxing at though; I realise he boxed at world standard as an amateur with success; on occasion though he'd get caught himself and as the standard of opposition went up he certainly didn't stop them all. Time will tell if he's an out and out destroyer or not.

So you can't name one boxer with more power ? So I'm kind of right

Do you mean in the world or Britain? i could name you plenty worldwide.

crusader wrote:I wouldn't be surprised if Haye quickly stopped Butler, McDermott, and Sexton if he landed the punches Price did.

It's common for fighters to look devestating at one level, but less so at a higher one; David Lemieux is a recent example.

Great example...Lemieux looked devastating especially as he knocked out guys who'd never been knocked out before but as soon as he came up against someone who could take his punches and hit back with power he crumbled which is what i think will happen to Price too.

jessi wrote:

palooka wrote:

jessi wrote:Palooka, it's not a trick question, I was talking current heavyweights in the world, haye doesn't hit as hard, fury couldn't hurt my cat and I know the obvious two are k2 but to be honest, if price landed as many clean shots on Hayes chin as wladimir did it would of been good night, so yes please tell me who you think has more right hand power then David price ?

I'd read or understood you wrong Jessi; I thought you'd meant that you'd seen power you'd never seen before.

Price is certainly very good and has good power; got to rememberthe levels he's boxing at though; I realise he boxed at world standard as an amateur with success; on occasion though he'd get caught himself and as the standard of opposition went up he certainly didn't stop them all. Time will tell if he's an out and out destroyer or not.

So you can't name one boxer with more power ? So I'm kind of right

I'm not that keen on heavyweights to be honest though Wlad and his big brother hit very hard, Seth Mitchell has laid a few out in spectacular fashion and Fury hits hard though not as hard as Price with the right cross or hook. It's not all about power though Jessi; Domenik Guinn looked fanastic a few years ago, really impressive and he's not there anymore.

I know it's not all about power, but it helps.

price is in a totally different league than fury, he would get starched early if they ever met. End of.

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