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Pugilatus mortuus est.

My brother got me interested but he's barely interested anymore. I know one other casual fan.

But this is the only place I go to where Wlad vs Weaver or Frazier vs Dempsey comes up.

Kalan wrote:I don't think Tyson is the ATGreatest by any means..

Neither do I. Had you taken the time to ready quote you would have known that.

elmersalsa wrote:

Kalan wrote:

elmersalsa wrote:If someone would have told me 20 years ago that boxing was going to be this way like it is now, I would have laughed at that person.

Now? I can't believe that boxing turned out this way. What do we need for boxing to come back again like the way it was? I don't know. Maybe to go back to basics: One champion, 15 rounds, better promoters, more tv exposure, etc. Maybe boxing needs true sportsmanship. I would rather watch an Olympic boxing match nowadays than professional boxing. That is how I feel about boxing right now. I don't even care about today's boxing scene. I don't care if I miss a fight. Maybe it's because the sport is not as pure like it was. Something is missing in boxing right now. I believe that 15 rounds should come back, especially, for the SUPER MEGA FIGHTS. How I want to pay $100 for PPV for a 12 round fight? That is ridiculous! Very ridiculous!

We don't need 15 rounds... What's missing in boxing is better match making... All these damned championships have been created so you can avoid the best... It's very weird that everybody believes Golovkin is the best Middleweight but he's been chasing the top dogs in the division for 7 years without any success... He's never landed a fight like Martinez, Cotto, Canelo, Saunders, Jacobs, or Eubank.. Jacobs is really his 1st big fight and it's freaking taking forever.. If you're the best Middleweight and everybody can box around you for years and years, something is really wrong with the sport.

That's what I'm saying: "We need to get back to basics"

Too late for that, it will never be what it was.

elmersalsa wrote:If someone would have told me 20 years ago that boxing was going to be this way like it is now, I would have laughed at that person.

Now? I can't believe that boxing turned out this way. What do we need for boxing to come back again like the way it was? I don't know. Maybe to go back to basics: One champion, 15 rounds, better promoters, more tv exposure, etc. Maybe boxing needs true sportsmanship. I would rather watch an Olympic boxing match nowadays than professional boxing. That is how I feel about boxing right now. I don't even care about today's boxing scene. I don't care if I miss a fight. Maybe it's because the sport is not as pure like it was. Something is missing in boxing right now. I believe that 15 rounds should come back, especially, for the SUPER MEGA FIGHTS. How I want to pay $100 for PPV for a 12 round fight? That is ridiculous! Very ridiculous!

Spot on...

The dwindling levels of afro American fighters and the lack of talent and depth of skills amongst most who are participating is worrying. We will likely never see another tyson,holy,srl ,hearns ,mosley etc

The other worrying aspect is that great stylists like toney,starling curry etc are not in a position to pass on their unique ways by training...breland mcgirt and Whittaker did and improved guys like tarver,wilder,Judah.

Look at England too...is there a as single British fighter active with the multi di imensional skills of a Lloyd honeyghan?

To be honest, I'm not that surprised. It was declining way before 20 years ago. In 1995 it was not as popular as it was in 1985. In 1985 it was not as popular as it was in 1975. A few years ago, I finally had to accept the sport in the past tense. That is the reality of the situation.

Boxing to me, ended when the great Mike Tyson bit the great Evander Holyfield's ears off. Since then, my interest in the sport waned little by little.

These guys make too much money for a super fight. Why not 15 rounds? Make the fans see that their money is worth it.

we do need 15 rounds in the very important fights anyway.
How else you gonna compare a champion of today with the ones of yesteryear ?

elmersalsa wrote:Boxing to me, ended when the great Mike Tyson bit the great Evander Holyfield's ears off. Since then, my interest in the sport waned little by little.

These guys make too much money for a super fight. Why not 15 rounds? Make the fans see that their money is worth it.

I would say after Buster Douglas knocked him out, then it went downhill for sure.

FightWriter wrote:Good lord, this subject sums up my damn life, or most of it.

I started out being a boxing fan since my dad put me on the sofa next to him in 1974 to watch an Ali fight. I was 6 years old. Then, the UFC and MMA came along and I introduced him to that and he loved it. Now we watch both, but he is in Missouri and I am in Tennessee. Aside from him and a few other friends, no one I know has any interest in Boxing, or MMA. If they do, it is simply for the sake of the "event" -- meaning it's an excuse to drink.

I went to see UFC 145 at a Hooters -- worst experience of my life. No one knew poo about MMA, but were talking about it like they were experts. And if I tried to bring up boxing, it was just as bad. Boxing fans seem to short circuit when you bring up MMA and MMA fans short circuit when you bring up boxing. That has always baffled the hell out of me.

Being around all those drunk yahoos, who are shouting and laughing and spewing out incorrect information was like some unknown level of hell. Most of those people think Royce Gracie is still undefeated and is still a UFC champion. They also think Floyd Mayweather Jr. has a more impressive resume than Sugar Ray Robinson. Of course, if you try and educate or inform either group, it just gets maddening and painful. When some people found out I was writing for Bleacher Report, it got worse; eventually I would say "Yeah, you're probably right. The whole 'styles make fights' thing is a myth, it's really all about the betting line and who's popular at the time."

I see videos on youtube of people gathered together, watching fights at someones house and they all seem so f-*king happy, and they look like they are actually watching the fights and might honestly know something about it. Where are all these people?

I believe you need to be educated... They're tons of fans who love both Boxing and MMA.. But most love one sport and NOT the other.. So why talk Boxing to an MMA freak? It's like talking horse racing to a formula 1 fanatic.. carpentry to a machinist or engine nut.. or economics to a political junkie. They mostly could GAF less about anything you're saying.. Boxers and people who love Boxing often get their kids involved with boxing and train amateurs.. They hang around boxing gyms.. Many of them are pretty knowledgeable.. Fans at the fights generally don't know a whole lot.. They're only there to be entertained, yell and scream, and get drunk.

Mayweather has a much more impressive resume than Robinson because he's a 5-Division World Champion... Floyd won many more World Title Fights than SRR did... and he didn't get beaten and decked as often as Robinson did... Robinson padded his record with 8 non-title fights in 4 months after he won the Middleweight title...then lost his 1st Title Defense... and a few more after that. His record in Middleweight Title Defenses is 3-3... Floyd never lost.. Floyd's opponents had much better W/L records than Robinson's opponents -- Robinson padded his record almost non-stop with guys who were very easy to beat, but still lost a lot. Robinson was decked by Lavine, LaMotta, Bell, Graziano, Giardello, and others.. Floyd was decked by Judah for a flash knockdown that the referee missed.. I'll just put those facts out there because you seem to be dissing Mayweather..
But I know you'll never learn because your head is stuck in the past.

No, I wasn't dissing Mayweather. No, my head isn't stuck in the past.

You realize that the weight divisions weren't the same in Robinson's time as they are now, right? Also, Mayweather didn't get decked or beaten as often as Robinson because he didn't fight nearly as often as Robinson did, for starters. Floyd's opponents have a better win/loss ratio because they, too, didn't fight as often as Robinson's opponents. Floyd rarely granted rematches and many of his opponents were fought when they themselves weren't exactly in their prime or were coming up from lower weight classes (Mosley, Pacquiao, Marquez,etc.).

Totally different times, but the resume of Robinson and the Hall of Fame opponents he fought is simply excellent. Of course, you've heard this a thousand times from people who know the history of the sport better than you or I, so believe what you want.

Since your last line makes it clear that you are assuming much about me based on little facts, for whatever reason, I think it's probably best if we place each other on ignore.

Have a great day.

Kalan wrote:

FightWriter wrote:Good lord, this subject sums up my damn life, or most of it.

I started out being a boxing fan since my dad put me on the sofa next to him in 1974 to watch an Ali fight. I was 6 years old. Then, the UFC and MMA came along and I introduced him to that and he loved it. Now we watch both, but he is in Missouri and I am in Tennessee. Aside from him and a few other friends, no one I know has any interest in Boxing, or MMA. If they do, it is simply for the sake of the "event" -- meaning it's an excuse to drink.

I went to see UFC 145 at a Hooters -- worst experience of my life. No one knew poo about MMA, but were talking about it like they were experts. And if I tried to bring up boxing, it was just as bad. Boxing fans seem to short circuit when you bring up MMA and MMA fans short circuit when you bring up boxing. That has always baffled the hell out of me.

Being around all those drunk yahoos, who are shouting and laughing and spewing out incorrect information was like some unknown level of hell. Most of those people think Royce Gracie is still undefeated and is still a UFC champion. They also think Floyd Mayweather Jr. has a more impressive resume than Sugar Ray Robinson. Of course, if you try and educate or inform either group, it just gets maddening and painful. When some people found out I was writing for Bleacher Report, it got worse; eventually I would say "Yeah, you're probably right. The whole 'styles make fights' thing is a myth, it's really all about the betting line and who's popular at the time."

I see videos on youtube of people gathered together, watching fights at someones house and they all seem so f-*king happy, and they look like they are actually watching the fights and might honestly know something about it. Where are all these people?

I believe you need to be educated... They're tons of fans who love both Boxing and MMA.. But most love one sport and NOT the other.. So why talk Boxing to an MMA freak? It's like talking horse racing to a formula 1 fanatic.. carpentry to a machinist or engine nut.. or economics to a political junkie. They mostly could GAF less about anything you're saying.. Boxers and people who love Boxing often get their kids involved with boxing and train amateurs.. They hang around boxing gyms.. Many of them are pretty knowledgeable.. Fans at the fights generally don't know a whole lot.. They're only there to be entertained, yell and scream, and get drunk.

Mayweather has a much more impressive resume than Robinson because he's a 5-Division World Champion... Floyd won many more World Title Fights than SRR did... and he didn't get beaten and decked as often as Robinson did... Robinson padded his record with 8 non-title fights in 4 months after he won the Middleweight title...then lost his 1st Title Defense... and a few more after that. His record in Middleweight Title Defenses is 3-3... Floyd never lost.. Floyd's opponents had much better W/L records than Robinson's opponents -- Robinson padded his record almost non-stop with guys who were very easy to beat, but still lost a lot. Robinson was decked by Lavine, LaMotta, Bell, Graziano, Giardello, and others.. Floyd was decked by Judah for a flash knockdown that the referee missed.. I'll just put those facts out there because you seem to be dissing Mayweather..
But I know you'll never learn because your head is stuck in the past.

Man you're a pretentious twat

FightWriter wrote:No, I wasn't dissing Mayweather. No, my head isn't stuck in the past.

You realize that the weight divisions weren't the same in Robinson's time as they are now, right? Also, Mayweather didn't get decked or beaten as often as Robinson because he didn't fight nearly as often as Robinson did, for starters. Floyd's opponents have a better win/loss ratio because they, too, didn't fight as often as Robinson's opponents. Floyd rarely granted rematches and many of his opponents were fought when they themselves weren't exactly in their prime or were coming up from lower weight classes (Mosley, Pacquiao, Marquez,etc.).

Totally different times, but the resume of Robinson and the Hall of Fame opponents he fought is simply excellent. Of course, you've heard this a thousand times from people who know the history of the sport better than you or I, so believe what you want.

Since your last line makes it clear that you are assuming much about me based on little facts, for whatever reason, I think it's probably best if we place each other on ignore.

Have a great day.

Don't worry about Kalan his knowledge on Boxing pretty lost all credibility on his first day of posting around here, and he'll never be respected amongst most posters here. For most of us Kalan is the "Wilt Chamberlain guy"

He also thinks Anthony Joshua is the #1 Heavyweight of all time...so....yeah

punchoutsb wrote:

Kalan wrote:

FightWriter wrote:Good lord, this subject sums up my damn life, or most of it.

I started out being a boxing fan since my dad put me on the sofa next to him in 1974 to watch an Ali fight. I was 6 years old. Then, the UFC and MMA came along and I introduced him to that and he loved it. Now we watch both, but he is in Missouri and I am in Tennessee. Aside from him and a few other friends, no one I know has any interest in Boxing, or MMA. If they do, it is simply for the sake of the "event" -- meaning it's an excuse to drink.

I went to see UFC 145 at a Hooters -- worst experience of my life. No one knew poo about MMA, but were talking about it like they were experts. And if I tried to bring up boxing, it was just as bad. Boxing fans seem to short circuit when you bring up MMA and MMA fans short circuit when you bring up boxing. That has always baffled the hell out of me.

Being around all those drunk yahoos, who are shouting and laughing and spewing out incorrect information was like some unknown level of hell. Most of those people think Royce Gracie is still undefeated and is still a UFC champion. They also think Floyd Mayweather Jr. has a more impressive resume than Sugar Ray Robinson. Of course, if you try and educate or inform either group, it just gets maddening and painful. When some people found out I was writing for Bleacher Report, it got worse; eventually I would say "Yeah, you're probably right. The whole 'styles make fights' thing is a myth, it's really all about the betting line and who's popular at the time."

I see videos on youtube of people gathered together, watching fights at someones house and they all seem so f-*king happy, and they look like they are actually watching the fights and might honestly know something about it. Where are all these people?

I believe you need to be educated... They're tons of fans who love both Boxing and MMA.. But most love one sport and NOT the other.. So why talk Boxing to an MMA freak? It's like talking horse racing to a formula 1 fanatic.. carpentry to a machinist or engine nut.. or economics to a political junkie. They mostly could GAF less about anything you're saying.. Boxers and people who love Boxing often get their kids involved with boxing and train amateurs.. They hang around boxing gyms.. Many of them are pretty knowledgeable.. Fans at the fights generally don't know a whole lot.. They're only there to be entertained, yell and scream, and get drunk.

Mayweather has a much more impressive resume than Robinson because he's a 5-Division World Champion... Floyd won many more World Title Fights than SRR did... and he didn't get beaten and decked as often as Robinson did... Robinson padded his record with 8 non-title fights in 4 months after he won the Middleweight title...then lost his 1st Title Defense... and a few more after that. His record in Middleweight Title Defenses is 3-3... Floyd never lost.. Floyd's opponents had much better W/L records than Robinson's opponents -- Robinson padded his record almost non-stop with guys who were very easy to beat, but still lost a lot. Robinson was decked by Lavine, LaMotta, Bell, Graziano, Giardello, and others.. Floyd was decked by Judah for a flash knockdown that the referee missed.. I'll just put those facts out there because you seem to be dissing Mayweather..
But I know you'll never learn because your head is stuck in the past.

Man you're a pretentious twat

Nothing worse than a know it all who doesn't even know what he's talking about.

gilgamesh wrote:

punchoutsb wrote:

Kalan wrote:
I believe you need to be educated... They're tons of fans who love both Boxing and MMA.. But most love one sport and NOT the other.. So why talk Boxing to an MMA freak? It's like talking horse racing to a formula 1 fanatic.. carpentry to a machinist or engine nut.. or economics to a political junkie. They mostly could GAF less about anything you're saying.. Boxers and people who love Boxing often get their kids involved with boxing and train amateurs.. They hang around boxing gyms.. Many of them are pretty knowledgeable.. Fans at the fights generally don't know a whole lot.. They're only there to be entertained, yell and scream, and get drunk.

Mayweather has a much more impressive resume than Robinson because he's a 5-Division World Champion... Floyd won many more World Title Fights than SRR did... and he didn't get beaten and decked as often as Robinson did... Robinson padded his record with 8 non-title fights in 4 months after he won the Middleweight title...then lost his 1st Title Defense... and a few more after that. His record in Middleweight Title Defenses is 3-3... Floyd never lost.. Floyd's opponents had much better W/L records than Robinson's opponents -- Robinson padded his record almost non-stop with guys who were very easy to beat, but still lost a lot. Robinson was decked by Lavine, LaMotta, Bell, Graziano, Giardello, and others.. Floyd was decked by Judah for a flash knockdown that the referee missed.. I'll just put those facts out there because you seem to be dissing Mayweather..
But I know you'll never learn because your head is stuck in the past.

Man you're a pretentious twat

Nothing worse than a know it all who doesn't even know what he's talking about.

He seemed a good poster when I first starting noticing his stuff...then I noticed that he knows everything, has done everything, has done everything better than most, and claims some things that just don't add up if a little looking into is done. Something isn't quite right here...

Mayweather has a much more impressive resume than Robinson because he's a 5-Division World Champion... Floyd won many more World Title Fights than SRR did... and he didn't get beaten and decked as often as Robinson did... Robinson padded his record with 8 non-title fights in 4 months after he won the Middleweight title...then lost his 1st Title Defense... and a few more after that. His record in Middleweight Title Defenses is 3-3... Floyd never lost.. Floyd's opponents had much better W/L records than Robinson's opponents -- Robinson padded his record almost non-stop with guys who were very easy to beat, but still lost a lot. Robinson was decked by Lavine, LaMotta, Bell, Graziano, Giardello, and others.. Floyd was decked by Judah for a flash knockdown that the referee missed.. I'll just put those facts out there because you seem to be dissing Mayweather..
But I know you'll never learn because your head is stuck in the past.[/quote]KALAN

Mayweather NEVER fought at middleweight and you're dissing SRR for fighting too much at middleweight? That's rich ! Mayweather never had the balls to move up.

Floyd never lost because he never fought 4 times a month like SRR sometimes did. SRR's opponents (most of them) were not easy to beat. They didn't all have perfect records because, get this, the top guys fought the top guys back then and they fought often. Not like Mayweather who protects his 0

SRR had a little winning streak at one point that went 129-1-2.

Not a misprint: SRR went 129-1-2 in part of his prime.

FightWriter wrote:No, I wasn't dissing Mayweather. No, my head isn't stuck in the past.

You realize that the weight divisions weren't the same in Robinson's time as they are now, right? Also, Mayweather didn't get decked or beaten as often as Robinson because he didn't fight nearly as often as Robinson did, for starters. Floyd's opponents have a better win/loss ratio because they, too, didn't fight as often as Robinson's opponents. Floyd rarely granted rematches and many of his opponents were fought when they themselves weren't exactly in their prime or were coming up from lower weight classes (Mosley, Pacquiao, Marquez,etc.).

Totally different times, but the resume of Robinson and the Hall of Fame opponents he fought is simply excellent. Of course, you've heard this a thousand times from people who know the history of the sport better than you or I, so believe what you want.

Since your last line makes it clear that you are assuming much about me based on little facts, for whatever reason, I think it's probably best if we place each other on ignore.

Have a great day.

You have a great day too... It seems like you have a closed mind and aren't open to a different point of view... I've seen this attitude in some old timers for 50 years and more.. If you questioned the ability of Dempsey or Louis when I was a kid you might get the same outrage.. Apparently they would murder Ali with no problem at all, and anybody who didn't understand that just didn't know Boxing. Some could be very hard core on this, almost like political extremists.

Yes, there were fewer weight divisions then -- and SRR won World Titles in 2 of them - 13 pounds apart... Floyd won World Title in 5 of them - 24 pounds apart.. Floyd also beat 3 different 154-pound Champions and Robinson lost to one 175-pound Champion.. That's about the same distance apart.. SRR fought more often but many of his fights had no more value than a sparring session because he was record padding.. Do you think Golovkin would get away with fighting 8 mediocre guys in 4 months of non-title fights to pad his record up??? Any very good boxer could pad his record up to 200-0 if he fought every 2 weeks for 8 years blowing away 3rd raters... If you're fighting FEWER fights you're fighting more select fighters---who have far better records far and far better skills.. You're fighting the best.. But you CAN'T fight 3rd rate fighters in Title Defenses so they blew them away in "non-title" fights... That's why consecutive successful World Title Defenses has always been the Gold Standard.

And let's be real... Gennady Golovkin has a record of 17-0 with 17 KO wins in Middleweight Title Defenses

Ray Robinson had a record 3-3 with 2 KO wins in Middleweight Title Defenses

As far as the resume of Robinson's Hall of Fame opponents goes...... And if you're talking about guys coming up in weight didn't Robinson lose to Welterweight Champion Carmen Basilio, a very crude boxer??? Floyd fought as a Super Featherweight until he was 25... Floyd fought elite boxers: Shane Mosley, Oscar De La Hoya, Juan Manual Marquez, Manny Pacquiao, and Miguel Cotto... EACH of those men won World Titles in 3 to 8 weight divisions... Who are the 5 most skillful boxers SRR ever beat??? ... Oh BOY...I'll be happy to hear this.

Kalan wrote:
Yes, there were fewer weight divisions then -- and SRR won World Titles in 2 of them - 13 pounds apart... Floyd won World Title in 5 of them - 24 pounds apart

If you are making a direct comparison then Floyd was only a true two weight division champ as well, lightweight and welterweight. You can't give him credit for winning at other 'super' and 'light' weight divisions as those divisions didn't exist when SRR was about. If they did then no doubt SRR would've won at numerous weights as well.

Also there was one world champion at each weight in SRR's time, not multiple ones like today which makes it easier to win a belt and duck the better fighters in the same division.

SSR came close to winning at a third weight. Mayweather didn't dare move up to middleweight to fight GGG, or anyone else for that matter.

Kalan wrote:

FightWriter wrote:No, I wasn't dissing Mayweather. No, my head isn't stuck in the past.

You realize that the weight divisions weren't the same in Robinson's time as they are now, right? Also, Mayweather didn't get decked or beaten as often as Robinson because he didn't fight nearly as often as Robinson did, for starters. Floyd's opponents have a better win/loss ratio because they, too, didn't fight as often as Robinson's opponents. Floyd rarely granted rematches and many of his opponents were fought when they themselves weren't exactly in their prime or were coming up from lower weight classes (Mosley, Pacquiao, Marquez,etc.).

Totally different times, but the resume of Robinson and the Hall of Fame opponents he fought is simply excellent. Of course, you've heard this a thousand times from people who know the history of the sport better than you or I, so believe what you want.

Since your last line makes it clear that you are assuming much about me based on little facts, for whatever reason, I think it's probably best if we place each other on ignore.

Have a great day.

You have a great day too... It seems like you have a closed mind and aren't open to a different point of view... I've seen this attitude in some old timers for 50 years and more.. If you questioned the ability of Dempsey or Louis when I was a kid you might get the same outrage.. Apparently they would murder Ali with no problem at all, and anybody who didn't understand that just didn't know Boxing. Some could be very hard core on this, almost like political extremists.

Yes, there were fewer weight divisions then -- and SRR won World Titles in 2 of them - 13 pounds apart... Floyd won World Title in 5 of them - 24 pounds apart.. Floyd also beat 3 different 154-pound Champions and Robinson lost to one 175-pound Champion.. That's about the same distance apart.. SRR fought more often but many of his fights had no more value than a sparring session because he was record padding.. Do you think Golovkin would get away with fighting 8 mediocre guys in 4 months of non-title fights to pad his record up??? Any very good boxer could pad his record up to 200-0 if he fought every 2 weeks for 8 years blowing away 3rd raters... If you're fighting FEWER fights you're fighting more select fighters---who have far better records far and far better skills.. You're fighting the best.. But you CAN'T fight 3rd rate fighters in Title Defenses so they blew them away in "non-title" fights... That's why consecutive successful World Title Defenses has always been the Gold Standard.

And let's be real... Gennady Golovkin has a record of 17-0 with 17 KO wins in Middleweight Title Defenses

Ray Robinson had a record 3-3 with 2 KO wins in Middleweight Title Defenses

As far as the resume of Robinson's Hall of Fame opponents goes...... And if you're talking about guys coming up in weight didn't Robinson lose to Welterweight Champion Carmen Basilio, a very crude boxer??? Floyd fought as a Super Featherweight until he was 25... Floyd fought elite boxers: Shane Mosley, Oscar De La Hoya, Juan Manual Marquez, Manny Pacquiao, and Miguel Cotto... EACH of those men won World Titles in 3 to 8 weight divisions... Who are the 5 most skillful boxers SRR ever beat??? ... Oh BOY...I'll be happy to hear this.

Record padding? SRR fought because that's how he got paid. He didn't get PPV revenue, sponsorships, big TV fights, multi-million dollar paydays for fighting twice a year. Fighters back then fought because that's how they earned money. Seriously, how do you not know that?

Because he doesn't know much at all about the history of the sport and doesn't care to learn.

He assumes that anyone that didn't start their career 25-0 could be any good.
Doesn't understand that good fighters used fight each other, often numerous times; so you didn't have a ton of guys with pretty records against journeyman.
Doesn't understand the concept of a fighter being in his prime; doesn't matter to him the stages of the career that Mayweather's opponents were in.

gilgamesh wrote:

FightWriter wrote:No, I wasn't dissing Mayweather. No, my head isn't stuck in the past.

You realize that the weight divisions weren't the same in Robinson's time as they are now, right? Also, Mayweather didn't get decked or beaten as often as Robinson because he didn't fight nearly as often as Robinson did, for starters. Floyd's opponents have a better win/loss ratio because they, too, didn't fight as often as Robinson's opponents. Floyd rarely granted rematches and many of his opponents were fought when they themselves weren't exactly in their prime or were coming up from lower weight classes (Mosley, Pacquiao, Marquez,etc.).

Totally different times, but the resume of Robinson and the Hall of Fame opponents he fought is simply excellent. Of course, you've heard this a thousand times from people who know the history of the sport better than you or I, so believe what you want.

Since your last line makes it clear that you are assuming much about me based on little facts, for whatever reason, I think it's probably best if we place each other on ignore.

Have a great day.

Don't worry about Kalan his knowledge on Boxing pretty lost all credibility on his first day of posting around here, and he'll never be respected amongst most posters here. For most of us Kalan is the "Wilt Chamberlain guy"

He also thinks Anthony Joshua is the #1 Heavyweight of all time...so....yeah

I had and have little respect for him. He is uneducated clown , no doubt an alter ego designed to troll and get responses thereby improving post counts overall. That said he did know a lot about fighters shhiting in the ring in that topic in "Training and conditioning". He was very knowledgable about defecation in the ring

Wasn't Al Haymon supposed to be about going back to basics and Golden Boy before them.

World title fights should be 15 rounds again. That alone would bring back excitement. Fighters these days have that window to rest and recuperate, get fluids in. Nutrition and cutting knowledge is far sharper. Far more medical facilities are there to monitor fighters.

These guys can fight 15 and we would see less controversies and boring fights, as those championship rounds 13.14,15 have a knack of letting the cream rise to the top.

4 world champions per weight division (WBC,WBO,IBF,WBA) and ZERO other belts on a world level. No regional, no silver,no gold, no emeritus, no SUPER, no junior world champions. ONE national title. One European title. One NABF title........only that way well casual fans actually know what they are seeing. In boxing you can have a multi title fight between low level bums and the skill, power, smarts are of novices....these recent fights like a Molina v Joshua, and the rocky balboa wanabee v Crawford were pathetic.........U would never ever see such mismatches in top level UFC fights, these were boring degrading spectacles and meaningless fights. A guy like Ward too is poison for this game. He fights 4 times in 5 years is boring and risk free and he overhypes his talent, it took him years to finally fight kovolev than he wins a disgraceful decision. Poor decisions kill boxing too. The 15 rounds would in most cases take care of that

Bricks wrote:

gilgamesh wrote:

FightWriter wrote:No, I wasn't dissing Mayweather. No, my head isn't stuck in the past.

You realize that the weight divisions weren't the same in Robinson's time as they are now, right? Also, Mayweather didn't get decked or beaten as often as Robinson because he didn't fight nearly as often as Robinson did, for starters. Floyd's opponents have a better win/loss ratio because they, too, didn't fight as often as Robinson's opponents. Floyd rarely granted rematches and many of his opponents were fought when they themselves weren't exactly in their prime or were coming up from lower weight classes (Mosley, Pacquiao, Marquez,etc.).

Totally different times, but the resume of Robinson and the Hall of Fame opponents he fought is simply excellent. Of course, you've heard this a thousand times from people who know the history of the sport better than you or I, so believe what you want.

Since your last line makes it clear that you are assuming much about me based on little facts, for whatever reason, I think it's probably best if we place each other on ignore.

Have a great day.

Don't worry about Kalan his knowledge on Boxing pretty lost all credibility on his first day of posting around here, and he'll never be respected amongst most posters here. For most of us Kalan is the "Wilt Chamberlain guy"

He also thinks Anthony Joshua is the #1 Heavyweight of all time...so....yeah

I had and have little respect for him. He is uneducated clown , no doubt an alter ego designed to troll and get responses thereby improving post counts overall. That said he did know a lot about fighters shhiting in the ring in that topic in "Training and conditioning". He was very knowledgable about defecation in the ring

Maybe that was what happened in his 1 or 2 experiences stepping into a ring.

LOL you guys are so ignorant I cant believe it... You don't know a damned thing about Boxing and just go on with the hype, the myth, and legends.. You don't argue points, you go with personal attacks.. You're saying guys fought more often because that's how they made money back then.. That they didn't have PPV and mega promotions.

But Jack Dempsey was World Champion for 7 years and only fought 6 Title Defenses ... and that was it... That was WAY before PPV or TV. The people who put their butts in the seats are the only ones who paid.. Dempsey didn't pad his record with dozens of non-title fights against 3rd raters.. Talk about 15-rounds??? For Dempsey's 2 fights with Gene Tunney he insisted they be 10-round fights.. Rickard nearly had a heart attack telling Dempsey that wouldn't work -- but they were the 2 richest fights with the largest gates, and made and the most money until the 1970's... And that was in the 1920's.

I think all the mismatches in the 50's turned fans off.. Robinson sometimes fought guys with more losses than wins even after he was champion.. It's like an exhibition I guess but it goes on your Boxing record as an actual contest.. In the really old days they called fights like that "No Decision" Fights.. They didn't want to rip people off insinuating that there was any contest going on.. It was like an exhibition.. But in the 50's these were "non-title" fights if you happened to own a title -- because of the very poor opponents who weren't paid challenger money. They were paid chump change.

What Robinson COULD have done is fight less often, and fight the best opponents.. And fight in major stadiums.. He'd make more money.. Louis-Baer sold out 88,000 in Yankee stadium during the height of the Great Depression, for a real non-title fight because Louis didn't have the title yet.. It was just an attractive fight.. You don't need to fight 200 fights in your career, because you just wear yourself out.. Golovkin would fight 4 times a year if he could get the opponents.. That's ideal because you get 2 or 3 weeks off and a good long training camp.. Now he may be reduced to 2 fights a year because of the snail-paced negotiations that take forever.. One thing I don't like about modern Boxing is they don't get fights negotiated.. It takes forever to reach a deal.

Kalan wrote:LOL you guys are so ignorant I cant believe it... You don't know a damned thing about Boxing and just go on with the hype, the myth, and legends.. You don't argue points, you go with personal attacks.. You're saying guys fought more often because that's how they made money back then.. That they didn't have PPV and mega promotions.

But Jack Dempsey was World Champion for 7 years and only fought 6 Title Defenses ... and that was it... That was WAY before PPV or TV.

And do you know why that was?