Knockout % question

[orbtastic]

I wince whenever I see him landing those body shots on Barkley.

I watched Barkley/Olajide this morning as I woke up early and couldn't get back to sleep. Amazing listening to him being interviewed at that relative early stage in his career and comparing it to after he'd won 3 world titles. Alarming change.

[Datsue]

An interesting aside, C-P & orb, is that there are a million different ways a punch can catch you & it's almost like there are different types of power. I was trying to "turn" one of my casual fan mates the other day by showing him Pacquiao videos, & he was saying: "How is that happening? He's so quick, but they don't look hard, & people are flying off their feet!"

The heavy-handed caveman power-punchers (which is what Garcia looked like at the weekend & Jackson's the best exemplar) can hurt you by clipping your toenail; the dynamic devastators (Hearns et al) tend to have to hit you exactly right (or right enough) to put you away.

[Counter-puncher]

that big step-in Pac used a lot for the straight left in his early days meant he was able to get a lot of momentum even before engaging his torso, etc.

with a more 'grounded' puncher like Jackson you can almost see and feel the torsion unwinding through his various levers. Benn's left hook against Logan a good example of that.

[orbtastic]

Yeah - Look at the two left hooks that started it all at the weekend.

Haye's was quick, Chisora didn't see it and it landed with speed AND power as Haye got a. torsion (is it torsion or tension?) into it and b. he also managed to just catch him at the right time and Chisora's weight and momentum made it worse.

Garcia's opening left hook was clumsy, had some power on it but it was clearly more of a "brutish" punch (like you say, caveman) and it had a huge effect, despite it landing on his neck somewhere.

The slow-mo for both really tells the story, you can see the energy impacting and then dissipating etc.

It always reminds me of that Billy Connelly sketch where he talks about people being twatted in pubs. You know the real big punchers as the other guy would just collapse on the spot.

Same with boxing - You get that real loss of motor function thing where it's literally lights out and their legs just go.

[lefty]

Yeah - Look at the two left hooks that started it all at the weekend.

Haye's was quick, Chisora didn't see it and it landed with speed AND power as Haye got a. torsion (is it torsion or tension?) into it and b. he also managed to just catch him at the right time and Chisora's weight and momentum made it worse.

Garcia's opening left hook was clumsy, had some power on it but it was clearly more of a "brutish" punch (like you say, caveman) and it had a huge effect, despite it landing on his neck somewhere.

The slow-mo for both really tells the story, you can see the energy impacting and then dissipating etc.

It always reminds me of that Billy Connelly sketch where he talks about people being twatted in pubs. You know the real big punchers as the other guy would just collapse on the spot.

Same with boxing - You get that real loss of motor function thing where it's literally lights out and their legs just go.

Haye's wasnt really a left hook though was it? If you look at the position of his legs it was thrown more like a left cross from the southpaw stance.

[orbtastic]

Yeah - Look at the two left hooks that started it all at the weekend.

Haye's was quick, Chisora didn't see it and it landed with speed AND power as Haye got a. torsion (is it torsion or tension?) into it and b. he also managed to just catch him at the right time and Chisora's weight and momentum made it worse.

Garcia's opening left hook was clumsy, had some power on it but it was clearly more of a "brutish" punch (like you say, caveman) and it had a huge effect, despite it landing on his neck somewhere.

The slow-mo for both really tells the story, you can see the energy impacting and then dissipating etc.

It always reminds me of that Billy Connelly sketch where he talks about people being twatted in pubs. You know the real big punchers as the other guy would just collapse on the spot.

Same with boxing - You get that real loss of motor function thing where it's literally lights out and their legs just go.

Haye's wasnt really a left hook though was it? If you look at the position of his legs it was thrown more like a left cross from the southpaw stance.

I didn't really notice the position of his legs, but it looked about as good as a left hook as he's ever thrown. He has that weird wide-legged stance when throwing big shots but it looked pretty reflexive and orthodox from where I was sitting?

[lefty]

Yeah - Look at the two left hooks that started it all at the weekend.

Haye's was quick, Chisora didn't see it and it landed with speed AND power as Haye got a. torsion (is it torsion or tension?) into it and b. he also managed to just catch him at the right time and Chisora's weight and momentum made it worse.

Garcia's opening left hook was clumsy, had some power on it but it was clearly more of a "brutish" punch (like you say, caveman) and it had a huge effect, despite it landing on his neck somewhere.

The slow-mo for both really tells the story, you can see the energy impacting and then dissipating etc.

It always reminds me of that Billy Connelly sketch where he talks about people being twatted in pubs. You know the real big punchers as the other guy would just collapse on the spot.

Same with boxing - You get that real loss of motor function thing where it's literally lights out and their legs just go.

Haye's wasnt really a left hook though was it? If you look at the position of his legs it was thrown more like a left cross from the southpaw stance.

I didn't really notice the position of his legs, but it looked about as good as a left hook as he's ever thrown. He has that weird wide-legged stance when throwing big shots but it looked pretty reflexive and orthodox from where I was sitting?

Il see if I can find a clip of it and il post it.

[orbtastic]

Saw it at the cinema on the big screen...looked like a left hook to me, he brought his left arm across himself, that's a left hook in my book.

[Benelio]

Haye's wasnt really a left hook though was it? If you look at the position of his legs it was thrown more like a left cross from the southpaw stance.

Looked like a rear hook thrown as a southpaw to me. I'm going to have to watch it again tonight now! :)

Was an amazing shot regardless!

[lefty]

Saw it at the cinema on the big screen...looked like a left hook to me, he brought his left arm across himself, that's a left hook in my book.

Ok if you look at about 2:28 you'll see what i mean. It was an unusual shot to me whatever it was! Ha http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-vDo4u_p ... re=related

[orbtastic]

Yeah see what you're saying now, he appeared to change stance momentarily but it could just be him shifting weight - Hard to really tell from that angle as the camera moves to close-up from waist level just as he throws the shot!

I remember them showing the replay but it just shows the punch travelling across.

[lefty]

Yeah see what you're saying now, he appeared to change stance momentarily but it could just be him shifting weight - Hard to really tell from that angle as the camera moves to close-up from waist level just as he throws the shot!

I remember them showing the replay but it just shows the punch travelling across.

Yeah its a weird shot! Haye seems to do that quite a lot to be honest.His legs seem to end up all over the place when he throws power shots. Im sure I remember Wlad saying before they thought that Haye has quite strange technique in that sense.

[Counter-puncher]

he shifted his weight back and to the left slightly, i thought it made him square up rather than go all the way southpaw.

Chacon, and Montiel, would be two left-hookers who could pull that signature move off to perfection.

[orbtastic]

[back and to the left]

makes me think of Hicks

[lefty]

he shifted his weight back and to the left slightly, i thought it made him square up rather than go all the way southpaw.

Chacon, and Montiel, would be two left-hookers who could pull that signature move off to perfection.

I can see what you're saying. Its quite an unusual shot to be fair.

[Counter-puncher]

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[orbtastic]

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[Counter-puncher]

he shifted his weight back and to the left slightly, i thought it made him square up rather than go all the way southpaw.

Chacon, and Montiel, would be two left-hookers who could pull that signature move off to perfection.

I can see what you're saying. Its quite an unusual shot to be fair.

see if you can track down Dany Little Red Lopez vs Bobby Chacon. Chacon to be fair was hitting him with every shot in the book, all night, but there was one left hook where he switched into southpaw whilst slipping i think a right hand from Lopez, and the split-second the right goes past his ear, he damn near tears Lopez's head off with the left. pretty sure it's in the later rounds but feck it, worth watching the whole fight. the most hurtful wince-inducing punch from a wince-inducing fight.

[Counter-puncher]

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Jackie O: 'they physically shot him...'

[Datsue]

he shifted his weight back and to the left slightly, i thought it made him square up rather than go all the way southpaw.

Chacon, and Montiel, would be two left-hookers who could pull that signature move off to perfection.

I can see what you're saying. Its quite an unusual shot to be fair.

see if you can track down Dany Little Red Lopez vs Bobby Chacon. Chacon to be fair was hitting him with every shot in the book, all night, but there was one left hook where he switched into southpaw whilst slipping i think a right hand from Lopez, and the split-second the right goes past his ear, he damn near tears Lopez's head off with the left. pretty sure it's in the later rounds but feck it, worth watching the whole fight. the most hurtful wince-inducing punch from a wince-inducing fight.

Bobby Chacon:

Also, lefty, find Fernando Montiel vs Hozumi Hasegawa for the bantamweight title a few years back. Again the shift backwards into a squared-up stance & then BOOM with the left whateveryou'dcallit.

Great shot. Broke Hasegawa's jaw in multiple places, in my recollection.

[Counter-puncher]

i've lost my dvd copy of that fight

[orbtastic]

you'll be surprised to hear I have both on DVD!

[Counter-puncher]

Bobby Chacon:

Also, lefty, find Fernando Montiel vs Hozumi Hasegawa for the bantamweight title a few years back. Again the shift backwards into a squared-up stance & then BOOM with the left whateveryou'dcallit.

Great shot. Broke Hasegawa's jaw in multiple places, in my recollection.

if the first shot didn't the next 3 did