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Re: can you be a knock out artist but yet be a defensive fighter
Posted: 16 Jul 2012, 15:47
by spudder56
Old bones Ian wrote:Roberto Duran was a puncher and very good defensively as well, he didn't take many punches for someone so in yer face in the ring
yes the Panama Animal great boxer as well as banger the most savage man I ever saw in the ring as well as the most inteligent Without doubt imo the greatest Lightweight who ever stepped through the ropes
Re: can you be a knock out artist but yet be a defensive fighter
Posted: 16 Jul 2012, 16:50
by Tomasino
Archie Moore, Ezzard Charles and Charley Burley. They all had fight ending power.
Re: can you be a knock out artist but yet be a defensive fighter
Posted: 16 Jul 2012, 17:00
by matko
Edwin Rosario is underrated great defensive fighter who could punch great counter puncher to on the back foot and front foot.
Also likes out James toney great fighter to watch for a purist fan with frightening power his stoppage of Charles Williams was brutal and killer instinct like a murderers on death row
Re: can you be a knock out artist but yet be a defensive fighter
Posted: 16 Jul 2012, 17:03
by Jeff Thomas
Naz.... Curry..... Are probably the best shouts
Modern day at least
Re: can you be a knock out artist but yet be a defensive fighter
Posted: 16 Jul 2012, 17:49
by Matt Teague
james toney
Re: can you be a knock out artist but yet be a defensive fighter
Posted: 16 Jul 2012, 17:55
by safeerah
leftysreturn wrote:The reason why im asking this is if you look at the majority of guys that are considered real bangers they tend to be quite aggressive in their styles, guys like Mclellan, Jackson, etc tended to be guys who came forward rather than boxing off of the backfoot and werent the hardest guys to hit. So yeah what do you think? If you do have examples of guys who were or are more defensively minded but big punchers/ ko artists then give some examples.
It is a difficult one, because punchers take chances to land and their power can work against them if they throw and their opponent gets there first.
Re: can you be a knock out artist but yet be a defensive fighter
Posted: 16 Jul 2012, 18:00
by lefty
safeerah wrote:leftysreturn wrote:The reason why im asking this is if you look at the majority of guys that are considered real bangers they tend to be quite aggressive in their styles, guys like Mclellan, Jackson, etc tended to be guys who came forward rather than boxing off of the backfoot and werent the hardest guys to hit. So yeah what do you think? If you do have examples of guys who were or are more defensively minded but big punchers/ ko artists then give some examples.
It is a difficult one, because punchers take chances to land and their power can work against them if they throw and their opponent gets there first.
Yeah thats why i asked really because when you're a defensive minded counter puncher you tend to not fully commit to your punches which in turn means your not hitting with full power really.
Re: can you be a knock out artist but yet be a defensive fighter
Posted: 16 Jul 2012, 18:03
by Old bones Ian
On these shores Maurice Hope is up there with any of them.
Re: can you be a knock out artist but yet be a defensive fighter
Posted: 16 Jul 2012, 18:04
by Dan Dares
wlad x 4 - fights scared, and knock's em out
Re: can you be a knock out artist but yet be a defensive fighter
Posted: 16 Jul 2012, 18:11
by safeerah
Dan Dares wrote:wlad x 4 - fights scared, and knock's em out
Yes, come to think of it.
Re: can you be a knock out artist but yet be a defensive fighter
Posted: 17 Jul 2012, 04:24
by danconnollyeire
David Haye fits the criteria
Re: can you be a knock out artist but yet be a defensive fighter
Posted: 17 Jul 2012, 05:10
by lefty
danconnollyeire wrote:David Haye fits the criteria
Yeah I did think about Haye actually! I find it hard to classify if he's a defensive fighter or not though. I know he fights A lot on the back foot but he's pretty aggressive aswell at times so I find it hard to say if he fits in there or not.
Re: can you be a knock out artist but yet be a defensive fighter
Posted: 17 Jul 2012, 05:16
by safeerah
leftysreturn wrote:danconnollyeire wrote:David Haye fits the criteria
Yeah I did think about Haye actually! I find it hard to classify if he's a defensive fighter or not though. I know he fights A lot on the back foot but he's pretty aggressive aswell at times so I find it hard to say if he fits in there or not.
I think the fights against Audley, Barrett, Ruiz where he became the puncher and fights against Valuev, Klitchko showed the boxer, these could qualify him.
Re: can you be a knock out artist but yet be a defensive fighter
Posted: 17 Jul 2012, 05:20
by safeerah
safeerah wrote:leftysreturn wrote:danconnollyeire wrote:David Haye fits the criteria
Yeah I did think about Haye actually! I find it hard to classify if he's a defensive fighter or not though. I know he fights A lot on the back foot but he's pretty aggressive aswell at times so I find it hard to say if he fits in there or not.
I think the fights against Audley, Barrett, Ruiz where he became the puncher and fights against Valuev, Klitchko showed the boxer, these could qualify him.
Re: can you be a knock out artist but yet be a defensive fighter
Posted: 17 Jul 2012, 05:25
by Arniesgym
James Toney
Re: can you be a knock out artist but yet be a defensive fighter
Posted: 17 Jul 2012, 06:18
by danconnollyeire
A primed RJJ? Possibly Groves
Re: can you be a knock out artist but yet be a defensive fighter
Posted: 17 Jul 2012, 06:33
by MightyWarrior
Old bones Ian wrote:On these shores Maurice Hope is up there with any of them.
Or the guy who knocked him out with one stunning punch, one of the defensive greats Wilfred Benitez.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cqEk8gU4C6U
Re: can you be a knock out artist but yet be a defensive fighter
Posted: 17 Jul 2012, 06:44
by Lenny
Old bones Ian wrote:Now Herol Graham is often thought of as a defensive master, and oddly his KO rate from 1983 to 1998 was very high 26 wins 22 KO's
before that 1978 to 1982 it was 22 wins 5 KO's ,
He changed his style when Barney Eastwood came in during the mid eighties and became more aggressive
Re: can you be a knock out artist but yet be a defensive fighter
Posted: 17 Jul 2012, 06:56
by littlepug
what about hagler ? he could bang and had an underated defence
Re: can you be a knock out artist but yet be a defensive fighter
Posted: 19 Jul 2012, 06:59
by palooka
Benitez was amazing against the ropes and could really hit when he wanted to.
Re: can you be a knock out artist but yet be a defensive fighter
Posted: 19 Jul 2012, 07:04
by spudder56
palooka wrote:Benitez was amazing against the ropes and could really hit when he wanted to.
Yes Wilfred Benitez Great Fighter
Re: can you be a knock out artist but yet be a defensive fighter
Posted: 19 Jul 2012, 07:35
by Craig14
Mark Breland sprung to mind.
Re: can you be a knock out artist but yet be a defensive fighter
Posted: 19 Jul 2012, 07:38
by stujones
A prime RJJ was who I thought of immediately with the thread title.
Re: can you be a knock out artist but yet be a defensive fighter
Posted: 19 Jul 2012, 11:59
by loaded_gloves
Guys guys guys, come on - JOE LOUIS for a start! Not to forget Henry Armstrong, Ray Robinson, Archie Moore, Jersey Joe Walcott, Ezzard Charles, Carlos Monzon, Ike Williams, Jack Johnson, Alexis Arguello, Jimmy Wilde, Floyd Patterson...
Gentlemen, where are the Greats in this thread? Do you gents not enjoy the rich history of our sport? You're missing out on so much. That's all from Captain Patronising for now... but I'll be back.
Re: can you be a knock out artist but yet be a defensive fighter
Posted: 19 Jul 2012, 12:04
by Counter-puncher
loaded gloves:
Armstrong a defensive fighter/ ko artist? ever heard the phrase 'pressure fighter'?
Walcott, Charles, Jack Johnson, and I think Patterson all already mentioned on the thread
other than that your patronising was really, really, really well-placed, here. i await with baited breath your next contribution to our collective knowledge of the sport's rich history.