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He took a product called dexaprine which he thought was a fat burner apparantly.

Jonp - yeah my mistake, just replace 'BBBC' with 'doping agency' in my previous posts

I think just taking a guess that it might of been this http://www.predatornutrition.com/Fat-Bu ... ne-60-Tabs

leftysreturn wrote:He took a product called dexaprine which he thought was a fat burner apparantly.

Surely fat burners are not allowed and surely Enzo was aware of this, so the "I accidentally took it in a nasal congestant" excuse doesn't seem applicable.

Chambers2 wrote:

leftysreturn wrote:He took a product called dexaprine which he thought was a fat burner apparantly.

Surely fat burners are not allowed and surely Enzo was aware of this, so the "I accidentally took it in a nasal congestant" excuse doesn't seem applicable.

If you read the pdf on Enzo's case on the anti-doping agencys website it goes into more detail mate http://www.ukad.org.uk/anti-doping-rule ... iolations/

This interests me, Dunstan had taken Nazel spray in the Dressing room before He Boxed. He had come down with a heavy cold, think He got it of me, the cold that is. Id been in my Bed after getting there. In the Dressing room, when I saw what He was taking I went ballistic. As He said at the time, I cant Breath, if I cant have it, I cant Box.They found traces after the Fight, and He got 2 year Ban. No arguments from me, He in the eyes of the Board had Cheated. So why does Enzo only get 6 months.

Scrap wrote:This interests me, Dunstan had taken Nazel spray in the Dressing room before He Boxed. He had come down with a heavy cold, think He got it of me, the cold that is. Id been in my Bed after getting there. In the Dressing room, when I saw what He was taking I went ballistic. As He said at the time, I cant Breath, if I cant have it, I cant Box.They found traces after the Fight, and He got 2 year Ban. No arguments from me, He in the eyes of the Board had Cheated. So why does Enzo only get 6 months.

it wasnt nasal spray mate, what enzo took i mean.

Reading that report, the doping agency only seem to care about 'performance enhancement'. Surely, they should be looking at why a cruiserweight trying to make light-heavy might be looking to use this?

Chambers2 wrote:Jonp - yeah my mistake, just replace 'BBBC' with 'doping agency' in my previous posts

Thing is agree on yr points i think all drug cheats just get banned for life it would soon make only the most stupid or imbalanced be prepared to risk it. But where someone has done it too such an extent there should be a bigger fine

For example Larry and Enzo both banned same amount of time but larry gets a twenty grand fine enzo a 3 grand fine.

But i do think that if theres a time limit that varies then there should be variables on punishments if you have got a level of steroid in yr system that shows yr a hardcore user for a long time of the strongest drug you will get more of a ban than someone with a trace amount of some of the less powerful drugs.

leftysreturn wrote:

Scrap wrote:This interests me, Dunstan had taken Nazel spray in the Dressing room before He Boxed. He had come down with a heavy cold, think He got it of me, the cold that is. Id been in my Bed after getting there. In the Dressing room, when I saw what He was taking I went ballistic. As He said at the time, I cant Breath, if I cant have it, I cant Box.They found traces after the Fight, and He got 2 year Ban. No arguments from me, He in the eyes of the Board had Cheated. So why does Enzo only get 6 months.

it wasnt nasal spray mate, what enzo took i mean.

Okay, its one thing Im not up on, could you explain please

Has anyone got an explanation for why he got given 6months? Do the BBBoC have certain guidlines for how long a positive drug test should get or do they take each case on its own merits? 6months just seems abit light.

Scrap wrote:

leftysreturn wrote:

Scrap wrote:This interests me, Dunstan had taken Nazel spray in the Dressing room before He Boxed. He had come down with a heavy cold, think He got it of me, the cold that is. Id been in my Bed after getting there. In the Dressing room, when I saw what He was taking I went ballistic. As He said at the time, I cant Breath, if I cant have it, I cant Box.They found traces after the Fight, and He got 2 year Ban. No arguments from me, He in the eyes of the Board had Cheated. So why does Enzo only get 6 months.

it wasnt nasal spray mate, what enzo took i mean.

Okay, its one thing Im not up on, could you explain please

Its a product called dexaprine, its a fat burner apparantly! I think it could be this http://www.predatornutrition.com/Fat-Bu ... ne-60-Tabs
im not 100 % sure though.

leftysreturn wrote:He took a product called dexaprine which he thought was a fat burner apparantly.

Is that a masker ?.

out of curiosity , when exactly is defined as 'out of competition'

is there a minimum number of days between being allowed to take something thats considered 'out of competition' and actually competing ?

Scrap wrote:

leftysreturn wrote:He took a product called dexaprine which he thought was a fat burner apparantly.

Is that a masker ?.

I dont think so mate, i think its purely to help you burn fat but its still a prohibited substance as its stimulant which can give you an edge as its causes your heart rate to increase and thus you have heightened awareness which would help you in a boxing match with being more alert to punches coming your way, etc.

damianhucker1 wrote:out of curiosity , when exactly is defined as 'out of competition'

is there a minimum number of days between being allowed to take something thats considered 'out of competition' and actually competing ?

its pretty confusing mate to be honest! Ha

It seems a tad ironic that he took what he thought was a fat burner for a fight at Cruiserweight.... and the stimulating effect didn't help him in the opening 3 rounds.

smoggy7188 wrote:Has anyone got an explanation for why he got given 6months? Do the BBBoC have certain guidlines for how long a positive drug test should get or do they take each case on its own merits? 6months just seems abit light.

The BBBC have no guidelines the British drug testing people do the bans nothing to do with the board the length of the bans.

smoggy7188 wrote:Has anyone got an explanation for why he got given 6months? Do the BBBoC have certain guidlines for how long a positive drug test should get or do they take each case on its own merits? 6months just seems abit light.

Essentially, the thing he took, is a legal supplement that can be used "out of competition" as a fat burner, but not in competition as it is a stimulant.

So, if he had it had been detected in a random out of competition test, he would of passed, but it turned up in an incompetition test. However, they accepted due to levels recored that he had stopped taking it a few days before the fight, so had no intended to take it as a stimulant.

leftysreturn wrote:

Scrap wrote:

leftysreturn wrote:He took a product called dexaprine which he thought was a fat burner apparantly.

Is that a masker ?.

I dont think so mate, i think its purely to help you burn fat but its still a prohibited substance as its stimulant which can give you an edge as its causes your heart rate to increase and thus you have heightened awareness which would help you in a boxing match with being more alert to punches coming your way, etc.

Thanks for your Time

Is that a masker ?.[/quote]
I dont think so mate, i think its purely to help you burn fat but its still a prohibited substance as its stimulant which can give you an edge as its causes your heart rate to increase and thus you have heightened awareness which would help you in a boxing match with being more alert to punches coming your way, etc.[/quote]
Thanks for your Time[/quote]
no worries

gobbles wrote:

smoggy7188 wrote:Has anyone got an explanation for why he got given 6months? Do the BBBoC have certain guidlines for how long a positive drug test should get or do they take each case on its own merits? 6months just seems abit light.

Essentially, the thing he took, is a legal supplement that can be used "out of competition" as a fat burner, but not in competition as it is a stimulant.

So, if he had it had been detected in a random out of competition test, he would of passed, but it turned up in an incompetition test. However, they accepted due to levels recored that he had stopped taking it a few days before the fight, so had no intended to take it as a stimulant.

Thanks, So its not allowed to prevent fighters from crash dieting basically?

gobbles wrote:

smoggy7188 wrote:Has anyone got an explanation for why he got given 6months? Do the BBBoC have certain guidlines for how long a positive drug test should get or do they take each case on its own merits? 6months just seems abit light.

Essentially, the thing he took, is a legal supplement that can be used "out of competition" as a fat burner, but not in competition as it is a stimulant.

So, if he had it had been detected in a random out of competition test, he would of passed, but it turned up in an incompetition test. However, they accepted due to levels recored that he had stopped taking it a few days before the fight, so had no intended to take it as a stimulant.

Thats confusing, not your explanation but the BBBoC's policy.

Enzo had taken a stimulant that is legal out of competition, but not in a competition test. However, level were so low that it was apparent he hadn't taken it a few days before the fight and by the sounds of it, the stimulating effect would have not been any different come the fight.... you can even say he last took it out of competition.

Very hard to label him a drug cheat if true.

smoggy7188 wrote:

gobbles wrote:

smoggy7188 wrote:Has anyone got an explanation for why he got given 6months? Do the BBBoC have certain guidlines for how long a positive drug test should get or do they take each case on its own merits? 6months just seems abit light.

Essentially, the thing he took, is a legal supplement that can be used "out of competition" as a fat burner, but not in competition as it is a stimulant.

So, if he had it had been detected in a random out of competition test, he would of passed, but it turned up in an incompetition test. However, they accepted due to levels recored that he had stopped taking it a few days before the fight, so had no intended to take it as a stimulant.

Thanks, So its not allowed to prevent fighters from crash dieting basically?

Yes, but also its stimulating effect (increasing in HR, alertness etc).

rumour has it, that the substance was administered as a supposotory.

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