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i take it Lomachenko looked good mate? what division is he in?

Counter-puncher wrote:i take it Lomachenko looked good mate? what division is he in?

Oh held a lot back but was slipping punches for fun. Won easily but didnt have to get out of first gear.

welter?

Counter-puncher wrote:welter?

60 kg light

mcato wrote:

Poncey wrote:Wow

This reminds me of when Phelps didn't win the 2008 gold medal they said he did.

Boxing is dodgy at all levels. Ogogo didnt win, however there is too much money incentives for the winner of the gold medal and thats why there is so much cheating.

I just don't believe this.

How efficient would they have to be to cheat and get it 18 each and then 52 each? Nah, I don't think so. Biased, maybe but if they were going to cheat they'd have to guarantee a clearer job than that.

Counter-puncher wrote:i take it Lomachenko looked good mate? what division is he in?

http://news.boxrec.com/news/2012/olympi ... -his-class

I was at the Excel today and Ogogu's decision was virtually a highway robbery. No way did he win the fight against a very good Ukrainian. To the extent that Ogogu took 2 counts in the second round and still won the round on 2 out of 5 judges cards!!! Lomachenko looks very special, and Khyrov was the best MW on show as well. Joshua got a gift decision last night but Ogogu's was ridiculous. Great atmosphere for the Ogogu fight though

There are always bad decisions and also the home fighter is always favoured somewhat..... bad for the Ukrainian but the bigger picture is that it is expected

tonyevs wrote:A disgusting result. Probably the worse result i have seen so far.
An even first round. From then on he was a clear loser.

Disgusting. No way did he deserve the verdict. Results like this highlight just what a shit sport the amateur sport is.

You honestly think that was worse than the Joshua decision?

I think your interpretation of a 'disgusting result' must be different than mine, was a properly close fight.

I know I'm teaching people to suck eggs here, but judging is subjective. I wouldn't have made Ogogo the winner myself, but that second standing count was nonsense. Especially as he took far better shots in the last round.

tonyevs wrote:A disgusting result. Probably the worse result i have seen so far.
An even first round. From then on he was a clear loser.

Disgusting. No way did he deserve the verdict. Results like this highlight just what a shit sport the amateur sport is.

Absolutely agree, the judging has been disgraceful in these Olympics.
I wouldn't say it's the worst decision so far. There have been some shockers.

And people can say judging is subjective, that's bullshit.
Amateur judging is just about scoring clean punches. Nothing else factors into it.

Walking a guy down if your not landing counts for f.all in the ams, same as those counts- only count as one scoring punch plus one of em was never a count anyway. Too many ppl judging the bout on a par with pro boxing plus you then have the 5judges who have to press the buttons. Close bout and i loved the other guys style but no robbery.

manno wrote:Walking a guy down if your not landing counts for f.all in the ams, same as those counts- only count as one scoring punch plus one of em was never a count anyway. Too many ppl judging the bout on a par with pro boxing plus you then have the 5judges who have to press the buttons. Close bout and i loved the other guys style but no robbery.

im pretty sure most posters on here understand AM boxing thanks.

Maybe the Ogogo result wasn't as bad as the Joshua reult .. It certainly looked it at the time though.

But thats it for me now. Won't be wasting my time watching the amateurs. Was never a big fan of the modern game anyways and it certainly hasn't got me excited ... frustrated, yes.

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manno wrote:Walking a guy down if your not landing counts for f.all in the ams, same as those counts- only count as one scoring punch plus one of em was never a count anyway. Too many ppl judging the bout on a par with pro boxing plus you then have the 5judges who have to press the buttons. Close bout and i loved the other guys style but no robbery.

kingfinn wrote:

manno wrote:Walking a guy down if your not landing counts for f.all in the ams, same as those counts- only count as one scoring punch plus one of em was never a count anyway. Too many ppl judging the bout on a par with pro boxing plus you then have the 5judges who have to press the buttons. Close bout and i loved the other guys style but no robbery.

im pretty sure most posters on here understand AM boxing thanks.

Yeah, you would think so, wouldn't you? Plenty don't seem to though. In the pro ranks, that lad would have beaten Ogogo every time...but it was a much closer fight under ams judging.

I'm delighted for Anthony Ogogo. And I thought it was a very close fight. If the Ukrainian did win that fight, does this mean that Ogogo is a hype job? And he's not as good as McCracken and Froch keep hyping about him.

Crease wrote:I'm delighted for Anthony Ogogo. And I thought it was a very close fight. If the Ukrainian did win that fight, does this mean that Ogogo is a hype job? And he's not as good as McCracken and Froch keep hyping about him.

Not sure about that .. but very sure he isn`t anywhere as good as the Ukranian kid.

It was a close fight.

Havent, seen the Fight as yet. But even running Khytrov close is saying a great deal, for Ogogo,s improvement, I thought He would get slaughtered.

Been to plenty of am shows so am familiar with scoring system. Its like me assuming people who thought Agogo won are just agreeing with what Woodhall probably said. I still think Agogo lost, I'll watch it again - this time on tv - but with what I saw on the day, Agogo lost for me.

dondada wrote:

kingfinn wrote:

manno wrote:Walking a guy down if your not landing counts for f.all in the ams, same as those counts- only count as one scoring punch plus one of em was never a count anyway. Too many ppl judging the bout on a par with pro boxing plus you then have the 5judges who have to press the buttons. Close bout and i loved the other guys style but no robbery.

im pretty sure most posters on here understand AM boxing thanks.

Yeah, you would think so, wouldn't you? Plenty don't seem to though. In the pro ranks, that lad would have beaten Ogogo every time...but it was a much closer fight under ams judging.

My initial thought was he had lost the 3rd round clearly, but when you see the slow mo most of the stuff was on the gloves , shoulder or back of head. Having said that i still think the Ukranian won by a couple of points, it was closer than people say but still Agogo was lucky. I dont see the big deal home fighters would get the nod in a very close fight in the pro's anyway, i know it bothers some people but it doesnt really bother me, home town decisions do but a bit of it a "i cant make my mind up who won the round it was really close" so give it to the guy whos fans are cheering - thats hometown advantage imo.

I havent seen the joshua fight but i know george groves was tweeting some stroppy stuff about one or two other fights including the cuba v iran DQ.

tonyevs wrote:

Crease wrote:I'm delighted for Anthony Ogogo. And I thought it was a very close fight. If the Ukrainian did win that fight, does this mean that Ogogo is a hype job? And he's not as good as McCracken and Froch keep hyping about him.

Not sure about that .. but very sure he isn`t anywhere as good as the Ukranian kid.

he would have been stopped in the pro's i think he had the skills but was getting bullied and didnt have the power to push the ukranian back, having said that agogo doesnt look like he would be fighting at middle weight for very long in the pros he'd be better at light heavy once he matures.

kingfinn wrote:

manno wrote:Walking a guy down if your not landing counts for f.all in the ams, same as those counts- only count as one scoring punch plus one of em was never a count anyway. Too many ppl judging the bout on a par with pro boxing plus you then have the 5judges who have to press the buttons. Close bout and i loved the other guys style but no robbery.

im pretty sure most posters on here understand AM boxing thanks.

Wasn't suggesting most posters dont understand AM boxing at all but i would say most posters are fans of pro boxing 1st just by the nature of the threads while ive been on here myself and that the two sports often become dilluted on the subject of scoring etc. Had 1 or 2 fights myself as pro that if had been scored by amateur judges would have gone the other way. Sorry if i sounded condescending

dr_devious wrote:I was at the Excel today and Ogogu's decision was virtually a highway robbery. No way did he win the fight against a very good Ukrainian. To the extent that Ogogu took 2 counts in the second round and still won the round on 2 out of 5 judges cards!!! Lomachenko looks very special, and Khyrov was the best MW on show as well. Joshua got a gift decision last night but Ogogu's was ridiculous. Great atmosphere for the Ogogu fight though

standing counts are only an appreciation of a good 'tag', they do not count negatively against the receiver of the count, if i fought and landed 3 decent blows to the target area against an opponent and he landed on ly 2 against me (even though i received a standing count for both blows)... i would still be 3-2 up and i would win the round, not that winning the round counts, its all about the final score.