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Re: Cleverly defends against average East European on Oct 27th
Posted: 03 Sep 2012, 14:01
by taffytoon
Re: Cleverly defends against average East European on Oct 27th
Posted: 03 Sep 2012, 14:06
by crusader
Uzelkov is better than Simic, but he is not far superior to Bellew. He only managed a MD against Mohamed Belkacem in his last fight, lost to his last decent opponent--who is no better than EBU level, and hasn't scored a meaningful win in several years.
Re: Cleverly defends against average East European on Oct 27th
Posted: 03 Sep 2012, 14:21
by pyenest77
Regarding the Froch quote that he turned it down. Why would Froch move up a weight when he has established his legacy in the division he is in????
Re: Cleverly defends against average East European on Oct 27th
Posted: 03 Sep 2012, 14:39
by Dan Dares
I don't see anyone hating Cleverly. There's nothing to dislike about the bloke. But it's a very dull defence of his title - it doesn't do much for his CV, and it will do nothing to introduce him to new fans.
And to suggest that Uzelkov is 'far superior' to Tony Bellew is absolute bollocks
Re: Cleverly defends against average East European on Oct 27th
Posted: 03 Sep 2012, 15:04
by greenyox3
Rather than "hating" Clev, I think a lot of people are frustrated that a British fighter with obvious talent is seeing his career come to a standstill, because those guiding him are apparently too risk-averse to put him in with the best in his division.
And the fact that the fans are being fed a load of bullsh!t about what "offers" have been made.
And the fact that this is an all-too-familiar story in boxing these days.
Re: Cleverly defends against average East European on Oct 27th
Posted: 03 Sep 2012, 15:07
by pyenest77
greenyox3 wrote:
Rather than "hating" Clev, I think a lot of people are frustrated that a British fighter with obvious talent is seeing his career come to a standstill, because those guiding him are apparently too risk-averse to put him in with the best in his division.
And the fact that the fans are being fed a load of bullsh!t about what "offers" have been made.
And the fact that this is an all-too-familiar story in boxing these days.
Nail hit bang on the head!!
Re: Cleverly defends against average East European on Oct 27th
Posted: 03 Sep 2012, 15:12
by JamesH
Bunce on air defending the bout way too much to be convincing. No one is challenging him, but he keeps saying "there is nothing wrong with this fight".
Re: Cleverly defends against average East European on Oct 27th
Posted: 03 Sep 2012, 15:26
by freddydoesdallas
JamesH wrote:Bunce on air defending the bout way too much to be convincing. No one is challenging him, but he keeps saying "there is nothing wrong with this fight".
There wouldn't be if this was just a European title fight etc but as it's meant to be a world title fight, i think it's underwhelming to say the least
Re: Cleverly defends against average East European on Oct 27th
Posted: 03 Sep 2012, 15:33
by JamesH
freddydoesdallas wrote:JamesH wrote:Bunce on air defending the bout way too much to be convincing. No one is challenging him, but he keeps saying "there is nothing wrong with this fight".
There wouldn't be if this was just a European title fight etc but as it's meant to be a world title fight, i think it's underwhelming to say the least
Not to mention the long-awaited "big announcement".
Its not about hating on Nathan, he's a great bloke with unknown potential. He seemed as disappointed as the majority of this thread when Buncey interviewed him about the fight.
Re: Cleverly defends against average East European on Oct 27th
Posted: 03 Sep 2012, 15:34
by Chris W 1982
Think theyre more FW haters than Cleverly mate.
Bellew would wipe the floor with Clev's "superior" opponent.
Re: Cleverly defends against average East European on Oct 27th
Posted: 03 Sep 2012, 16:04
by taffytoon
Dan Dares wrote:
I don't see anyone hating Cleverly. There's nothing to dislike about the bloke. But it's a very dull defence of his title - it doesn't do much for his CV, and it will do nothing to introduce him to new fans.
And to suggest that Uzelkov is 'far superior' to Tony Bellew is absolute bollocks
He is ranked above Bellew by all bodies but don't let facts get in the way
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Re: Cleverly defends against average East European on Oct 27th
Posted: 03 Sep 2012, 16:11
by greenyox3
taffytoon wrote:Dan Dares wrote:
I don't see anyone hating Cleverly. There's nothing to dislike about the bloke. But it's a very dull defence of his title - it doesn't do much for his CV, and it will do nothing to introduce him to new fans.
And to suggest that Uzelkov is 'far superior' to Tony Bellew is absolute bollocks
He is ranked above Bellew by all bodies but don't let facts get in the way
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Yes, because the bodies' rankings are perfect measures of how good a fighter is, aren't they.
Re: Cleverly defends against average East European on Oct 27th
Posted: 03 Sep 2012, 16:30
by Bennyblanco
How do you think cleverley feels about this level of opponent?
Re: Cleverly defends against average East European on Oct 27th
Posted: 03 Sep 2012, 16:54
by crusader
taffytoon wrote:Dan Dares wrote:
I don't see anyone hating Cleverly. There's nothing to dislike about the bloke. But it's a very dull defence of his title - it doesn't do much for his CV, and it will do nothing to introduce him to new fans.
And to suggest that Uzelkov is 'far superior' to Tony Bellew is absolute bollocks
He is ranked above Bellew by all bodies but don't let facts get in the way
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Soulan Pownceby is ranked #1 by the WBO; do you think he would be a far superior challenger to Uzelkov, who is ranked #9 by the WBO?
Re: Cleverly defends against average East European on Oct 27th
Posted: 03 Sep 2012, 16:56
by dve3333
JamesH wrote:Bunce on air defending the bout way too much to be convincing. No one is challenging him, but he keeps saying "there is nothing wrong with this fight".
Bunce would defend (edited by mod)
Re: Cleverly defends against average East European on Oct 27th
Posted: 03 Sep 2012, 17:40
by taffytoon
I would rather see champions fighting champions and unifying the divisions but to say that Bellew is fighting better opposition is a joke, this guy is a better fighter than Bellew yet members on here would be happy with a Bellew rematch
I'm surprised Tony does not have a chest infection the amount of smoke some people on here blow up his arse.
Re: Cleverly defends against average East European on Oct 27th
Posted: 03 Sep 2012, 17:47
by crusader
taffytoon wrote:I would rather see champions fighting champions and unifying the divisions but to say that Bellew is fighting better opposition is a joke, this guy is a better fighter than Bellew yet members on here would be happy with a Bellew rematch
I'm surprised Tony does not have a chest infection the amount of smoke some people on here blow up his arse.
Who suggested herein that Bellew is fighting better opposition? If no one did, why are you bringing it up?
What has Uzelkov done in the past few years to suggest that he's superior to Bellew?
Re: Cleverly defends against average East European on Oct 27th
Posted: 03 Sep 2012, 17:56
by whiskey
Juergen Brahmer has left Universum and signed with Sauerland. He reckons now his promoter woes are behind him, he will be challenging for his old WBO belt inside 9 months from now.
Re: Cleverly defends against average East European on Oct 27th
Posted: 03 Sep 2012, 18:14
by smoggy7188
BERNARD HOPKINS EX @THEREALBHOP
@allegedly_tv stop using my name to promote ur BUM titleholder.. nate clevery.
Re: Cleverly defends against average East European on Oct 27th
Posted: 03 Sep 2012, 18:20
by Bard of Boxrec
Cleverley will lose at any level much higher than this, so he is being protected. Not rocket science folks.
Re: Cleverly defends against average East European on Oct 27th
Posted: 03 Sep 2012, 22:00
by Giancarlo
JamesH wrote:Bunce on air defending the bout way too much to be convincing. No one is challenging him, but he keeps saying "there is nothing wrong with this fight".
Bunce? That's the big sweaty stooge who claims to "tell it like it is"?
Re: Cleverly defends against average East European on Oct 27th
Posted: 04 Sep 2012, 00:58
by Deserter
Taffy, look at my previous posts and you can see I've always rated Cleverly. For that matter, I've always rated you as a poster.
However, you're doing yourself no favours here. Nathan's career has stalled badly and matters are made worse when you've got his promoter making disputed claims in a poor attempt to legitimize the current state of affairs. I respect your loyalty, but you're trying to defend the indefensible at the moment and you'd be better off staying quiet on it rather than trying to reduce the issue to one of Clev 'haters' and bringing Bellew into it unnecessarily.
The reality is that Nathan has had a string of sub-standard opponents given his claim to be a world title holder and it's also hard to see how the guys he is facing are assisting his development should he eventually land a defining fight.
Re: Cleverly defends against average East European on Oct 27th
Posted: 04 Sep 2012, 02:10
by Purse Bid Shakedown
crusader wrote:Uzelkov is better than Simic, but he is not far superior to Bellew. He only managed a MD against Mohamed Belkacem in his last fight, lost to his last decent opponent--who is no better than EBU level, and hasn't scored a meaningful win in several years.
Yep. He does have an excellent win in Campillo, but that was ages ago.
Re: Cleverly defends against average East European on Oct 27th
Posted: 04 Sep 2012, 04:24
by loaded_gloves
How can anyone be surprised by this? Cleverly is a joke, as is the WBO belt. He's not a world champion and, like so many British WBO champs over the years, does not compete in world class contests.
Re: Cleverly defends against average East European on Oct 27th
Posted: 04 Sep 2012, 04:30
by Counter-puncher
Deserter wrote:
Taffy, look at my previous posts and you can see I've always rated Cleverly. For that matter, I've always rated you as a poster.
However, you're doing yourself no favours here. Nathan's career has stalled badly and matters are made worse when you've got his promoter making disputed claims in a poor attempt to legitimize the current state of affairs. I respect your loyalty, but you're trying to defend the indefensible at the moment and you'd be better off staying quiet on it rather than trying to reduce the issue to one of Clev 'haters' and bringing Bellew into it unnecessarily.
The reality is that Nathan has had a string of sub-standard opponents given his claim to be a world title holder and it's also hard to see how the guys he is facing are assisting his development should he eventually land a defining fight.
hater